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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Orourkek (talk | contribs) at 14:00, 12 July 2004 (→interests, not wishes). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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In note that Several English spellings have been changed to U.S. on this page. I particularly noted "centred" to "centered" and also "Argentinian" was changed to "Argentinean". The Wikipedia guidelines state that although both versions are acceptable English is to be used for subjects of a British nature. The guidleines also state that spelling should be consistent throughout an article. JP Feb 04

In any case, "Argentinean" isn't US, IMHO it's just wrong but the Google test says it's used about half as much as "Argentinian" (it still loses). "Argentine" is OK, so is "Argentinian". Feel free to copy edit the article to a consistent UK or US style and indicate here which way you've gone. Even though I'm a Yank, I'd be inclined toward UK spellings on an article far more likely to be read by a UK audience. -- Jmabel 01:54, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've just edited the article to use "Argentinian" consistently. "Argentinean" looks wrong to me -- while Google shows a 2:1 preference for "i", Google.co.uk shows an even more pronounced preference for "i", nearer 5:2. -- Arwel 14:31, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

older talk

Something weird seems to have happened in the edit history of this article - for example edits I made a while ago (like the spelling of Caspar Weinberger) have reverted, but with no record of anyone doing it. Odd. Oh well.

I have done a few more spellings etc. The article as it stood was inconsistent about whether the adjective is Argentine or Argentinian, and after consulting a couple of books I've made them all Argentinian.

Also inconsistent was the use of tense, some parts being described in the present and others in the past. I found this difficult to follow and have made it all past tense.

Hope these edits are helpful. Nevilley 09:35 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)

The just-added bit about Sir Tristam and Sir Galahad are semi-redundant with the previous paragraph, should be cleaned up. Stan 17:58 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Yep! I will try to remember to have a go. It's a shame, people add good stuff, but they don't read the whole article first, so it doesn't get integrated properly. If someone gets to it and fixes it before me, even better! :) Nevilley 08:51 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)

Is it just me or does the overall 'tone' of this article suggest this war was a 'good' thing?

I consider myself very much anti-war, but a cursory overall look with close attention to the trailing end suggests that no, it is not trying to present the conflict as good in any way. It does attempt to study it with a rather technical eye, but overall it is remarkably impartial - not an easy goal to reach with this subject matter. It can so easily degenerate into passioned criticism of one or both sides, but IMHO succeed brilliantly in avoiding that pitfall so far.

Although I will readily grant that both sides of the conflict had at some moment felt pride for it and probably still do in some way. Silly to the extreme, but unfortunately that is to be expected in such wars.

Was there something about the French leaking technical details of the missiles to the British? I seem to remember that. Also, perhaps a postscript about the documentary Tumbledown, and the effect on the British perception of the war? 207.189.98.44 20:32, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Resignation

I don't think John Nott resigned did he? I think Thatcher shoved him to one-side sometime after the war. Carrington definitely resigned though. Who else?Mintguy (T) 21:31, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)~

I think you're right, the "here today and, may I say gone tomorrow defence secretary" interview with Robin Day was after the war. Arwel 21:55, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Project

I'v started a project to discuss and manage the pages related to the war, new pages to the war, and the quality of content on these pages. I appreciated the comments people made about real issues concerning some edits of mine, which I did my best to resolve. If there's any remaining issues feel free to edit them, as if there is a problem it can be resolved later. I hope with the formation of the project the wiki content of the war will increase even further in scope and quality.

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Falklands_War

This section needs rewriting, but I can't figure out what it's trying to say: A US preoccupation with the USSR and communism and the thought Britain could handle the matter on her own may have factored into this view as well, though the validity of this idea vary. Certainly less respect would have resulted had there been a lot of assistance and would not been out of line of the US passive condonation of Galtieri's earlier actions. - Wikibob | Talk 15:47, 2004 Apr 3 (UTC)

Yea I agree thats tough, I'v tried to break down some of the seperate ideas implanted there, and distill it down. Its seem a combination of information that also tries to inform of its level of credibility at the same time.

  • "A US preoccupation with the USSR and communism.."
    • US busy with cold war
  • "...and the thought Britain could handle the matter on her own may have factored into this view as well.."
    • Britain does not need help
  • "though the validity of this idea vary"
    • Possibly suggests that- Britain may need help, did not need help but wanted it anyway, US did not give help for some other reason otherthen it was busy with Cold war.
  • "Certainly less respect would have resulted had there been a lot of assistance"
    • Hints that US did not help Britain so it could have more respect, as a collorary or alternative to 'US preoccupied with cold war'
  • "..and would not been out of line of the US passive condonation of Galtieri's earlier actions.
    • I think this is refering back to the early statement, suggesting that lack of help given was a part of the "US continuing passive condonation"
    • I dont see how this ' less respect for assitance' relates to 'continuing passive condonation' by US however.

I think if we move this last comment near to the first and simplfy the statements, and shift some others it comes out a little clearer. It does shift some meanings however.

  • The US preoccupation with the Cold War, a continuing passive condation of Galerati's actions, a belief that Britain could handle that matter without assitance and receive acclaim for doing so, are among possible explantions for US actions.

What do you think of this? Its kinda of long and wordy rewrite. Might be better to split it up. Greyengine5 21:11, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

interests, not wishes

in accordance with the wishes of the inhabitants is not NPOV. It supports the British side. Argentina maintains that the solution to the conflict should take into account the inhabitants interests, not their wishes.

No, it's still NPOV because it doesn't take a position on whether the inhabitants' wishes work for or against their "interests". I've been to the Falklands actually, and the locals take a pretty skeptical view about where Argentina thinks their "interests" lie. Stan 18:50, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The wishes of the settlers are orthogonal to the property rights that each party claims. To think otherwise might condone all kind of bigger imperialisms or smaller Green Marchs.
---ejrrjs
The statement in question says nothing about property rights or any other legalities, nor about whether the inhabitants were there legally or illegally, nor whether their wishes are legitimate or illegitimate. It's just a simple statement whose factuality is not disputed by anyone on any side. NPOV is not about trying to add or delete facts to achieve balance, it's about attributing opinions. Since there aren't any opinions being expressed, NPOV cannot be an issue. Stan 22:57, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it's pretty clear that the inhabitants wish to maintain the status quo. That is not a point of view, it is a fact. You can argue about whether or not they are aware of their best interests or not, or whether the issue should be decided by that, but it's pretty clear this is a neutral statement. Intrigue 23:00, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Seems that British propaganda is the NPOV non plus ultra.
Bye ---ejrrjs

Do you have evidence that they wish otherwise? Intrigue 20:12, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Anyone who has visited the Falklands and talked to the locals fairly quickly picks up the fact that they wish to remain governed by the UK. In fact they resist any attempt by the British Government to loosen ties to the UK. More anecdotally, you're unlikely to see more Union Jacks anywhere else. Orourkek 14:00, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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