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Controversy section revisited

I would like to hear from the anonymous IP and odmk69 regarding controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.57.195 (talk • contribs) 19:15, March 30, 2006 (UTC)

The previous controversy section was quite biased and written by someone who seemed to have a grudge, so I wouldn't even make consider it. I agree with 128.61.*. We need to settle this issue and not act like kids reverting articles back and forth. First off, I am an alunmni of TAS, and still have siblings at TAS. And to get some stuff straight: TAS isn't like what it used to be. And the general Taiwanese public view of TAS is not the same either. So I wouldn't let some of your preconceived notions of TAS/Taiwan get in the way of your subconscious and conscious thinking when editing articles. I agree that we need to be very careful when putting controversy section, and i initially did not support it, but after reading the current WASC accreditation report, I believe this is relevant. Tt would be advisable for Wikibofh and BenjaminTsai (and any others) to read this if you haven't yet.

If you're like me and have read countless wikipedia articles, you've noticed that Controversy sections are very prevalent. The beauty of wikipedia is readers receive unbias, objective information that one wouldn't be able to find on an official webpage. For example, go to the article on Abercrombie and Fitch, potential buyers (including me) would find the "Controversy/Criticism" article very relevant and important when making a decision whether to purchase products from them. I think its the same way with TAS, prospective parents who are contemplating in moving to Taiwan, choosing an appropiate school and environment for their children.....they should and need to know other POPULAR viewpoints, other contrary ideas, that one would not find at www.tas.edu.tw. For example did you know that over twenty faculty members, both teachers and other staff, are leaving TAS after this school year because they feel that they can no longer function in the current environment? This is information that I believe prospective students and their parents should know. If users wanted to know specific TAS information they wouldn't be heading to this article, they would be heading over to www.tas.edu.tw. We need to be careful that this article isn't an advertisement but a complete objective encyclopedia article.

--ODMK69

I agree that the WASC material is relevant and appropriate for the Controversy section. However, the appropriateness of the other contents injected into the Controversy section is questionable (to put it mildly) and definitely not written with the lofty ideal of NPOV in mind. --BenjaminTsai Talk 03:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ODMK69 Writes: "And to get some stuff straight: TAS isn't like what it used to be." What does that mean? Without data, that's strictly POV. He/she also writes, "And the general Taiwanese public view of TAS is not the same ei"ther." Please cite your links to the surveys that support this. While people you talk to may hold such views, those cannot substitute for public views and are strictly POV. ("Data" is not the plural of "anecdote").

The controversy section is biased abd should not exist; quoting only one paragraph (and not even using the correct year) from a lengthy report is misleading. Such usage is acceptable in a blog but not in a reference section. The opening sentences of the report could have been quoted as well, "Taipei American School has a well-earned reputation for being a very good school. It has a reputation in the South East Asian region and worldwide for highly motivated students, a challenging curriculum, a very fine teaching faculty and some very pleasing external examination results." Selectively quoting material out of context is not suitable for a reference work.

Comment added 11:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide us with more information on the WASC report? I've written the Taipei American School alumni office a few days ago to confirm and request more information about the excerpt in the Controversy section, but the school is currently closed for Spring break until April 10th. --BenjaminTsai Talk 23:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Perhaps a link or a reference to the report (if it is even online) would be helpful, because right now, the quote in the TAS article is quoted from an unknown source. All I'm pretty sure that what's written is fairly accurate, it's POV...and it unless it can be shown that it is indeed a quote from the WASC report and not someone's paraphrase, it should be removed. -- Mattrixed Talk 06:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy section

Ok, can we try to hash this out now?

Now that we're not in danger of 3RR and in the middle of reverts back and forth, let's try to get this hammered out. Here are my suggestions:

  • First, create a user account, as dynamic IP's bounce all over.
  • Second, read this section , posted to my user page when I was new (hahah...about 2 weeks ago)
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia!
Here are some tips to help you get started:
P.S. One last helpful hint. To sign your posts like I did above (on talk pages, for example) use the '~' symbol. To insert just your name, type ~~~ (3 tildes), or, to insert your name and timestamp, use ~~~~ (4 tildes).
  • I think there is some good information at the State Department that would be good to add. Wikibofh 14:05, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Third, let's talk about the stuff you are trying to add and find out facts so that we can work those in. You'll notice, for instance, we didn't revert the rape case in controversy because it was sourced and relevant. You obviously have some strong views on this as well as local knowledge. Honest...that is very valuab.e

I had never even heard of TAS before this article and only got involved because of the apparent vandalism. Let's make it better and move forward. Wikibofh 23:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Puja Germs issue

According to only one source I was able to find on the Internet, Puja Germs apparently is some tag game [1] Some of the users on this discussion forum are a little skeptical about including the alumnus Puja Mahtani. According to the TAS Alumni Directory (which only alumni members can access), Puja graduated in 2002, which is a bit too recent to make this person a noted alumnus of the school. If Puja did go to college, then this person should by a junior in college by now. I would recommend removing this person's name from the noted alumni list, especially when we don't know if "Puja Germs" is actually defaming this person. I would like other members of this discussion to provide input and if really necessary, we could have a vote on this. I'll be using the alumni directory to verify the other alumni on the noted alumni list. Allentchang 18:37, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • If a discussion about the Puja Germs issue does not take place in the next two days, I will strike Puja Mahtani from the record. Allentchang 02:36, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Your course of action and research seem reasonable to me. Wikibofh 22:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Puja Germs is not just a tag game, its an entire culture. However, I can't find it a on google right now. But Puja mahtani is definitely a legit noted alumni.

Dude, Allen, Puja Mahtani is a famous alumni. She was before your time. She was a great lady. So don't desecrate her memory please.

Other alumni

Alexander Liang is probably not listed on the alumni directory because he graduated fairly recently (2004). There is a Jack Hou listed who graduated in 2002, but there is no Jack Hou graduated in 1959 listed possibly because the alumi directory doesn't go to the 50's. I will be going to the UC Berkeley Library Main Stacks to search for Time Magazine's 1969 August issue to verify Jack Hou's identity and provide the exact date of the issue. All other alumni are verified through the directory. I strongly recommend that a link/source can be provided about Alexander Liang's actions. Allentchang 18:50, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I was unable to find references to Jack Hou among the August 1969 issues of time magazine. May I have the exact date and page? Please also indicate if it is the US edition or the International Edition. If I don't get enough information about where exactly to find stuff about Jack Hou in one week, I'll remove his name from the list of alumni. All I saw was Woodstock, Edward Kennedy ending up in a car accident, Nixon visiting the Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu who would be killed twenty years later, Roman Polanski only 36 years old, the Vietnam War, border clashes between the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, and reports about the moon exploration. Also, I would like someone to find a link regarding Alexander Liang.

Allentchang 02:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

http://www.lib.ntust.edu.tw/php/libnews.php?mid=1371&grp=ntust.depart.dt 68.121.211.14

http://news.chinatimes.com/Chinatimes/newslist/newslist-content/0%2C3546%2C110503+112001090400045%2C00.html 68.121.211.14

  • I was wondering what is the need to upload a picture of benjamin tsai and saying he is hot because it is so full of gibberish, I decided to delete it.

Library renovation

This summer TAS is hoping to begin construction on completing renovating the four floors of its libraries. This is the most ambitious project the school has undertaken since it moved to its present Shih Lin campus.

A team of architects from the United States worked with the TAS community to design the new library. It will be the first of its kind for an international school, with a Mandarin Library wing, wireless connectivity throughout, extensive added studies areas, and yes, even a proposed café for the rooftop.

The project is being supported by the Friends of TAS Foundation, a non-profit 501(c)3 foundation registered in the United States. We are hoping to receive donations of all amounts from parents, faculty and alumni. Please consider a contribution that fits your budget to make a meaningful difference on our campus. [2]

Daisy Yang...

I'm not sure she belongs in Noted Alumni, and whatever the incident is, it shouldn't be shoehorned there. I also don't think describing someone as from the class of 2008 is very useful. The grammar was also off but given the other deficiencies, I chose to simply revert that edit. Here is a link that seems to be about this issue...the link didn't work for me but the Goggle cache did. Wikibofh 15:39, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Balance of the Force

Several of us have tried to "balance the Force" (sorry for the cheesy Star Wars term) and tried to prevent one user from making the article too negative. Now I have the feeling that somehow it is now unbalanced towards the direction of flattery . . . . *sigh* Allentchang 21:34, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

    • The problem with this is that TAS is in fact a school that does what it sets out to do very well. Criticisms of it generally comes from people who have some kind of odd chip on their shoulder.. stemming anywhere from simple envy to genuine misunderstanding, most likely somewhere in the middle. As I pointed out earlier on this page, the exclusive and perceived elitist nature of the school makes it a giant media magnet.. people love to see institutions like these falter. What would hardly pass as news at one school can stir up significant controversy if it were done by people affiliated with TAS. --BenjaminTsai 02:17, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin, aren't you getting a little carried away with TAS by writing these articles? 50th Anniversary of Taipei American School List of Taipei American School Superintendents Mark Ulfers Granted, you did write a very detailed article about Stuyvesant High School, which offers (gasp!) 50 AP courses. Allentchang 16:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Allen, I didn't write the article on Stuyvesant, merely edited it slightly. As for TAS.. well, perhaps, perhaps I am. :) It happens to be one of the things I can speak with some authority on. --BenjaminTsai 16:42, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

benjamin tsai you didnt even graduate from tas. what authroity do you have to speak about it 216.100.135.9 06:46, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And you who hides behind an anonymous IP, from what authority do you have to speak about anything? I may not have received my high school diploma from TAS, but I've spent more years (8 to be exact) at TAS than most other alumni of TAS. --BenjaminTsai 13:46, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Passport, Peking University

First, there is no such thing as a "Taiwan Passport." Until pan-Green camp is successful in renaming the country to Taiwan, it will always be more accurate to refer to the passport and other government organs as belonging to the R.O.C. government.

Second, the official English name of Beijing University is "Peking University." For some reason, they haven't decided to update their name to reflect the modern pinyin standard. Until they do, please don't change it to "Beijing University." --BenjaminTsai 10:57, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Leading Universities

Who decides what a leading university is? I feel that some don't belong. If people add their own university all the time, it's going to start getting full. Opinions? Cliffe 03:01, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A leading university can be simply defined as an university which is widely considered by people within the field as a leader in some major field of study. The interesting question then becomes what a major field of study is. I feel all six listed currently satisfies this requirement, though that can change as one begins to narrow the definition of what a "major" field of study can be. --BenjaminTsai 06:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Romanizations

Hanyu Pinyin is preferred except when you're dealing with placenames. The official ways to spell these places in Taiwan can be found on Wikipedia. EX: Taipei (basterdized Wade-Giles), not T'ai-pei (correct Wade-Giles); Kaohsiung, not Kao-hsiung(Although this is the correct Wade-Giles.) Until TAS changes its name to Taibei American School, it'll still be Taipei American School. Same goes for KAS. As for people's names, spell them as how their passports spell it. (Could be verified through TAS's alumni page) By this I mean, if their first names don't have a dash, don't add one, even if it's not the correct conventions of any of the romanization systems. Because that's how their official documents spell their names.

CHINESE names: A basic rule for Wade-Giles is that the letter after the hyphen should not be capitalized. EX: Chen Shui-bian, not Chen Shui-Bian. This holds true for both MPS II and Wade-Giles. (In both Wade-Giles and MPS II, names ALWAYS contains a dash.) In Hanyu Pinyin, there's no space, or dash in between the first names. (I doubt that any TAS student would have such convention since very few TAS students are from China...Unless from HK, but HK residents aren't required to use Mandarin to spell out their names, most likely it would be in Cantonese, with a space in between the first name.) Never omits the apostrophes ' in Hanyu Pinyin. That's just like ommiting ' in O'sullivan. That being said, same goes for any other romanization systems. (Unless their legal documents state otherwise, of course.)

Here's a good site for you to check your romanizations, MPSII, Wade-Giles, Hanyu Pinyin, Yale, and Tongyong Pinyin are all here: http://140.111.34.69:8080/nationallibrary/index.jsp?open You can use this to determine in which romanization certian things are spelled.

ENGLISH names: However, if it's an English name, the first letter after the hyphen in a compoud name should be capitalized. EX: Mary-Anne, not Mary-anne.

JAPANESE names: No spaces, no dashs. Japanese passport official site: http://www.seikatubunka.metro.tokyo.jp/hebon/index.html

KOREAN names: Always a space in between the first name, first letters always capitalized. However, Koreans almost always have their LAST name placed in front of the First name. EX: Lee Jun Hee, Lee is the last name, Jun Hee is the last name. But since we're dealing with koreans in TAS, we can use the Americanized standard. Which is, to avoid confusion, write it as either Lee, Jun Hee or Jun Hee Lee.

Do we have a census on this?

I wonder why you are expressing your romanization opinions over here. You can certainly express them in the talk pages related to the Wikipedia Manual of Style. As for using the term "basterized Wade-Giles," be a little careful here as you could be confusing that with Postal Pinyin.

Allentchang 18:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In common practice Wade-Giles suffers from a fatal flaw. If the apostrophes are omitted from the system, Wade-Giles becomes "bastardized" (the correct term, even if sounds vaguely offensive) and largely useless. (Technically, Wade-Giles uses ayns, not apostrophes; but the distinction is not one most people need worry about.) When I say "bastardized Wade-Giles," it's not Postal Pinyin, since Postal Pinyin uses popular spellings given by other countries or local dialects.

"Basterdized Wade-Giles" is the correct term to describe the usage of omitting the apostrophes.

I felt that I needed to provide some background information on the romanization schemes since our TAS page had many erorrs on the romanizations before. However I also stressed about the importance of respecting individuals own choices of romanizations for their names. Allen, I hope this would help.


Shilin vs Shihlin

I notice that people have been reverting it back and forth between Shilin and Shihlin. Since Taipei has adopted Hanyu Pinyin has the de jure romanization scheme and the world de facto, I suggest we stick with Hanyu Romanization for street addresses in Taipei (Taibei). --BenjaminTsai Talk 02:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

But all the documents as well as the official history of TAS still use a form of Wade Giles. Unless TAS officially decides to adopt Hanyu Pinyin in all of its correspondence as well as its website, we should not in effect be the Taipei City Government equivalent of the romanization fashion police. The Wikipedia Manual of Style is vague on how to exactly deal with the issue we are facing. It does indicate for instance that if a person showed preference to have his/her name romanized to a particular scheme, we should follow that scheme rather than effectively force another scheme on the person without the person's permission. For instance, my name is Allen Chang, but neither Wikipedia nor the Taipei City Government should have my name spelled as Allen Zhang. We should at least also provide a Wade Giles romanization as a reference so that visitors would not be puzzled by the differences in Romanization between the TAS website and the Wikipedia. On politically charged note, I don't completely buy the Taipei City Government's argument that we have to use Hanyu Pinyin because that is the world standard. The same argument could be used that Taipei City should adopt simplified Chinese characters because simplified Chinese characters is considered an official UN language rather than traditional Chinese characters. But this discussion would be best carried on in another discussion board. Allentchang 18:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't buy it, either. (That we have to use Hanyu Pinyin because it's the world standard.) I'm also a lover of correct Wade-Giles, but Hanyu Pinyin is the current Taipei (basterdized W-G)/T'ai-pei (W-G)/Taibei (Hanyu)/ Tai-bei (Tongyong;MSPII) standard, so I suggest we use it for street addresses in Taipei. But again, people have the right to choose any romanization systems they want for their own names. EX: [Alexander] Leehom Wang should never be asked to change his name just because his name isn't romanized by any of the existing romanization systems.
But again, even as a lover of correct Wade-Giles, I have also noticed it is true that Wade-Giles isn't user friendly in practice. Even a basic word such as "Taiwan" that we use daily isn't following the rules of Wade-Giles! "Taiwan" has been romanized that way since our ROC government moved to Taiwan when Hanyu Pinyin wasn't even invented yet. (It should be romanized as T'ai-wan in Wade-Giles.) [However, Taichung (basterdized W-G) was noted as T'ai-chung when the ROC government came to Taiwan.] This is because Wade-Giles is acutally more linguistically sound, developed by Dr. Wade and revised by Dr. Giles. It is indeed a better system in linguistical practice, however, it is poorly designed in the view of users who aren't natural linguistics. Therefore, one would say that the value of adopting Hanyu Pinyin is at its larger user base, resulting from it's user friendliness.
The funniest thing is that Shihlin (claimed W-G) is not following any of the existing romanization rules.
If we are aiming for a W-G reference, it should be noted as "Shih-lin" not "Shihlin."
Existing romanization spellings of "Shilin" (Hanyu):
Shilin (Hanyu)
Shih-lin (Wade-Giles)
Shr-lin (MSP II)
Shrlin (Yale)

["Romanization" creater Melvin Su]

Shilin campus

The high school moved from Taipei proper to the Shilin campus in 1964, rather than 1969. The first graduating class at Shilin was 1965.

Merging TAS Superintendents

I don't think it will be appropriate to merge the article in question into the main Taipei American School as it'll add too much clutter.. yet the article right now as an independent article may lack notability. --BenjaminTsai Talk 12:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How about only mentioning TAS's first superintendent along with Mark Ulfers and the current one (in a sentence like, in 2005, so-and-so replaced so-and-so.)? TAS Student 23:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Sure, I think this is reasonable. --BenjaminTsai Talk 23:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Is this going to happen? I'll let this sit for a few more days, then I'll change it (BTW I am TAS Student, I just finally bothered to create an account). -- Mattrixed Talk 16:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and added information about the first superintendent in the History section. I'm not sure we need to explicitly state who the current superintendent is in the main article text as it's listed in the infobox. --BenjaminTsai Talk 06:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Leading universities

"leading universities" is clearly POV as there is no official ranking of schools in the US
  - 218.161.4.195 on 17:14, March 31, 2006 in article Edit Summary

While there is no single official ranking of universities, there are many rankings that is in common use such as US News, Princeton Review, Wall Street Journal, of which US News is generally considered as the most authoritative for undergraduate rankings. Internationally we have the widely quoted Shanghai Jiao Tong University's "Academic Ranking of World Universities". --BenjaminTsai Talk 06:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

then, according to your idea of what a leading university is, most TAS students do not attend leading universities. It should be left out.

Many do, and more so than the national average for high schools within the United States or Taiwan. --BenjaminTsai Talk 10:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

many is like.. 5% of the class? lol. there are many high schools in the US with better college matriculation than TAS, yet their wikipedia pages do not state that their students attend leading universities

Premier English-based School in Taiwan

"Taipei American School is widely considered as the premier English-based college preparatory school in Taiwan. [1]" is not a POV statement as it does not assert that Taipei American School is the premier English-based college preparatory school, only that it is a widely held view that it is the premier English-based college preparatory school. --BenjaminTsai Talk 06:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yes, and I contend that it is not a widely held view that TAS is the premier english based collelge preparatory school. It is hard to verify such statements, for the sake of correctness, leave it out.

I've modified it to include only Taipei pending further evaluation of NEHS. Otherwise, it is clearly a widely held view that Taipei American School is the premier English based college preparatory school within Taipei. It's the most widely known, the one with the longest established history, the one with the largest student population (by far), the one with the best facilities, and the one that sends more students than any other English-based college preparatory school in Taiwan to tier one universities. --BenjaminTsai Talk 10:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it is also the one creating the most social problems. A quick google search of "premier english language school in taipei" offers no mention of TAS. What gives? What evidence do you give that TAS is the premier english school in taiwan, or taipei?

What social problems? Any problems to the city of Taipei (however rare they may be) associated with TAS are most likely caused by TAS students during after-school hours. To relate this to the school itself is just trying to support a POV against TAS. By the way? What is NEHS? I currently attend TAS, and have never heard of NEHS...so how can it be considered greater than TAS if even TAS students haven't heard of it? -- Mattrixed Talk 05:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

underage sex and drug use, fake IDs, jacking scooters, fights, disrespect of taiwanese. matrix, you haven't heard of NEHS because you are a dumbass, not because NEHS is not greater than TAS. i am a TAS alumni and i have no reason to diss TAS unless there are really problems with it.

NEHS is the National Experimental High School set up in Hsinchu Science Park specifically for the children of people who work in the Science Park. There is a bilingual division within NEHS which offers an American curriculum, though they're quite small. The graduating class this year is under 50 people as far as I can tell. As for the social issues the anonymous person listed, we all know that this never happens at any local schools in Taiwan right? *rolls eye* Finally, please refrain from ad hominem attacks. --BenjaminTsai Talk 07:57, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Benjamin for the NEHS info...I've been a TAS student for almost two years... never heard NEHS mentioned by anyone. As to what "anonymous" said, underage sex and drug use are found at every high school. To say this is TAS's problem is a joke. In fact, I'd say a very good portion of students are drug free and if they do engage in underage sex, they do so monogamously. Either way, that is not a problem of the school unless it takes place in the school or during school hours. Fake ID's are commonplace wherever you go, and TAS students are no more likely to steal a scooter than anyone else. Fights are extremely rare, and this disrespect of Taiwanese comment is ridiculous since over 90% of the school population is Taiwanese-American. Some may see local Taiwanese as inferior, but again, what on Earth does that have to do with the school itself? As to your calling me a dumbass...please try to avoid personal attacks. It only makes your side of the discussion look weaker. -- Mattrixed Talk 15:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mattrixed not knowing anything about NEHS is a illustration of the typical TAS student problem. I'm TAS students are isolated and live in their own TAS bubble. Sure there is a PTA/food fair, and there is community service clubs...but thats how limited the interaction between the typical TAS student and the rest of Taiwan is. Just for your own information: http://web.nehs.hc.edu.tw/ is NEHS's website if you havnen't already looked it up.

  • NEHS is relatively small compared to TAS, if you compare average SAT scores, NEHS students is consistantly higher than TAS by a significant margin. And the % of students going to prestigious schools far higher than that of TAS. I don't have official numbers to prove this, but I'm sure most who do know of people from NEHS, or are from NEHS can attest to this (class of 2002 in NEHS had an average of 1400+). If you're interested there is a pdf of their 2005 college matriculation on their homepage. I'm not proving NEHS is better.. I'm saying it is not clear cut that TAS is the best, or 'widely considered as premier ....'. If there's any doubt if its premier, or even "considered premier" than it should not be in wikipedia. "Premier" can mean many things:

first in position, rank, or importance.. which is very arguable in any of these cases. I suggest "well-known", rather than "premier". I don't agree with using "widely considered". To the Taiwanese public it can be easily argued that TAS students are "widely considered" as snobby, rich, spoiled. So what do does the author mean? "Widely considered" by who? The small international school community?

  • Back to the TAS students being in a bubble. This doesnt belongs in the wikipedia article but I would just like to mention some notables to Mattrixed. "Fake ID's are commonplace wherever you go"..this might be true in the international school community but far from true for the Taiwanese public. Look at the clubs on friday nights, there filled with underage TAS students. I remember seeing room18 packed with TAS students from 8th grade up to 12th grade. You'd never see any other club with this big proportion of underage students from the same school.
  • ..also Taiwanese-American and Taiwanese are totally totally different. TAS is in a bubble, for the vast majority TASers think differently and have a far different lifestyle than a Typical taiwanese student. I know a great number of Taiwanese-American students who been in TAS all their life and still do not identify, or relate at all as a "Taiwanese."

Typatigertot 17:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is no firm basis for comparing the average graduating class SAT I scores between NEHS and TAS. TAS's annual report does not give the graduating class SAT I average, only the average for the entire school (as far as I can see). I know many people take the SAT I before their senior year.. for instance I took the SAT I in 6th grade for admissions into the CTY program. Though I did well enough to get into the program, I'm sure I pulled down that year's SAT I overall school average. :P Now less I get accused of ignoring information, I've already written TAS requesting information about the graduating class SAT I average several days ago. --BenjaminTsai Talk 18:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the vast majority of locals have strict parents that impose curfews so that drugs, alcohol, underage sex are not a problem. TAS parents, on the other hand, yield to the pressure of a TAS communiy that indulges in drugs, alcohol, underage sex, clubbing. benjmain tsai, lol at a tiny # of middle schoolers pulling down the average. just admit it, TAS has lax academic standards. locals learn circuits in middle school and semiconductor physics in high school, have mandatory C or java courses in 10th grade, learn modular arithmitic, elementary number theory such as fermat's little theorem in middle school, college level linear algebra in high school. TAS is dragging down the standards of education in Taiwan.

NEHS bilingual department http://bilingual.nehs.hc.edu.tw/

TAS is so damaging to the taiwan community that it would be inappropriate to reference it as a "premier school" in an encyclopedia article. No one thinks TAS is good, except for members of the TAS community.

well just cuz only TAS students are participating in the discussion, of course they are going to make them look good. Where is the particpation of the greater Taiwanese community? THey don't read wikipedia. Of course its going to be biased in TAS's favor.

Hello Janitor

WHy does my hello janitor keep getting deleted?!??!?

it is notable, ask TAS alumni, why are the good work of janitors being ignored?!??!?!

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