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IMPORTANT note for administrators

As of 18:45, 2004 May 30 (UTC), "what links here" is broken for images. The only way to tell if an image is orphaned is to do a full-text search on the wikitext. I've been doing this on a week-old database dump. Admins: please wait on deleting things until this gets fixed. grendel|khan 18:45, 2004 May 30 (UTC)

Still broken as of now. See Image:Cathedral City hall-300px.jpg and Cathedral City, California for an example. (Editing the page causes the links to be fixed, but that's not a real solution.) grendel|khan 21:13, 2004 Jul 8 (UTC)

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This page is only for images which are duplicates or otherwise unneeded. For cases of (possible) fair use, see Wikipedia:Fair use. For copyright infringements, use Wikipedia:Copyright problems.

Please consider adding the following messagetext to the top of any image page listed on this page: {{ifd}}, which shows up as:

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If you remove an image from an article, you should list the article it used to be at, so there can be effective community review of whether the image should be deleted or not. This is necessary because the image pages do not remember the articles they used to be used on.

February 17

• There's a lot of junk in User:Silsor/weirdmedia that needs to be deleted - I already deleted some obvious ones, like an Outlook Express executable. silsor 06:53, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

• • I glanced over the list (and used a nice combination of wget and file to examine some of them), and discovered:
    • .jpe appears to be a valid extension for JPEG files (Mozilla and IE both display these fine; but on second thoughts, maybe that's for the same reason as the next item down...) so these can probably be unlisted (unless they break on some other browser...)
    • Image:TVA Act Signing, Image:Carter Family, Image:Dixie Chicks Home, Image:C diff, Image:Rush Limbaugh Newsweek cover October 20 2003, Image:Test Card J 0001, Image:Ride Press Shot, Image:RideMark04 are all actually JPEGs as well; it might be worth re-uploading them with an appropriate filename extension, but they seem to display fine for me.

June 29

• Image:Thales.jpg I have ask Adam Conover to provide information on the source and copyrights but got no answer. Though this image is not used in any en: article, many other wikis have used it. It should be completely removed so no one makes the same mistake. Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 15:13, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • Transferred from Wikipedia:Votes for deletion by Graham ☺ | Talk 21:52, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Recent changes on the page claim fair use, but I doubt so. The fact that other websites use the same image doesn't mean that it is not protected by a copyright. The user didn't get any permission from any website to use that image, that could very well be the property of a museum or a photographer.Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 03:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• • Resolve any pages that still link to this before listing it, things should be listed here when they are ready for deletion. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 04:07, 2004 Jul 12 (UTC)
    • Done. I have removed the links. Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 19:43, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I will admit to adding the image without adding copyright information. However, I believe that John Crawford's defense of the fair use status of the image is suitable. If one does a Google Images search for Thales [1], one finds multiple renderings of this statue. For example, are two different instances of the photograph that is used: [2], [3]. Neither of them contains copyright information -- in fact, no photographs of this bust have copyright information. Additionally, there are other photographs of what is clearly the same statue: [4]. Finally, there is a rendering of this bust on what I believe is a Greek postage stamp: [5]. The photograph is thus clearly of a classical bust which has no copyright. Since there is no available positive copyright information about the photograph -- that is, none of the pages that use the image claim copyright -- I believe it would be overzealous to remove this image on the grounds that it might be copyrighted somewhere, by someone. Furthermore, I feel that an adequate justification for fair use has already been given. — Adam Conover † 22:52, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)
        • You are right when you say that the bust itself is classical and has no copyright. And I agree that a photograph of the bust is a fair example of what should appear in the article. However, my concern is not about the right to show the sculpture itself. It is about the artist that took that photograph. For example, if I made a drawing or a painting of the bust, I have the choice whether to claim copyrights for my work of art. The same goes for a photograph. Therefore, no matter how unfortunate is may sound, sometimes there is a line to draw to make sure this website doesn't end up with such photos. Please understand that I'm not trying to be "overzealous". I have been asked to remove that picture from the French wikipedia for those same reasons and I only wish that precautious measures are taken when posting an image. If any user can find a picture of that bust that meets the requirements of this site, I will be more than happy. I do hope that you don't take my interventions personal.Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 03:58, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
          • Do not worry, I do not take it personally whatsoever. However, my feeling is that this is the wrong place to draw the line on such images. We simply have differing viewpoints, and I was making my case above. So don't worry, there are no hard feelings. I simply feel that in the case of a small, oft-reproduced image of a classical statue with no positive copyright information, the Wikipedia benefits more from erring on the side of inclusion rather than on the side of precaution. (There is nothing to stop us from taking it down if the artist steps up and contacts us, for example.) However, if the image is eventually deleted, would the image of the stamp found in Google's image search be appropriate? AFAIK stamp images have the same public domain status as government documents. — Adam Conover † 23:38, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

July 1

• Image:Berndavi.JPG - I don't know if this is the right place to list this. I can't find any copyright info for this image, and the user has since left WP. It looks like it was scanned from a book. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:40, Jul 1, 2004 (UTC)
  • Take it up on the talk page for the article that uses it, then on copyvios, Do not list things here that are linked --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 04:16, 2004 Jul 12 (UTC)

July 8

• Image:Hypercube_order.png - Uploaded accidentally. My fault. The correct version now used is Image:Hypercube_order_50.png. --Markus Krötzsch 02:19, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  Thumbnail has been deleted and replaced with a 243px image. Could you please upload Image:Hypercube cubes.png and Image:Hypercube star.png?

  Done (thanks for the hint). Please delete the old versions Image:Hypercube_cubes_50.png and Image:Hypercube_star_50.png. --Markus Krötzsch 01:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

July 12

• Image:Pk.jpg - Unknown source; not linked anywhere; not relevant to the article it was linked from (sexual fetishism). -- Karada 08:52, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Eh? This looks ok to me, and it is correctly used in Apron styles. Also, you've used the incorrect formatting for an entry on this page: please use Wikipedia:Images for deletion. Noisy 09:26, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • (Entire discussion moved from WP:VFD Graham ☺ | Talk)
  • The image is somewhat relevant to the extremely popular maid fetish. It is probably a copyvio though. — Chameleon My page/My talk 10:43, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. The Apron styles article uses this image as an example, and its use on sexual fetishism was most likely vandalism. As for a copyvio, because it is used correctly in the Apron stlyes article, it is probably claimable under fair use. I wouldn't mind a better filename though.--Mr. Grinch 22:54, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

July 13

• I accidentally clicked on (rev) within Image:Squirrel2.jpg (and subsequently rev'ed my rev). Could someone please clean this up (the original two versions of the picture are now both duplicated)? It would be nice to have some confirmation before rev, so that a slip on the thouchpad does not revert a picture when showing the older version was intended... --Markus Krötzsch 01:04, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

July 14

Images from User:Information Habitat. Pages in the user space have been deleted per vfd discussion; see vfd discussion. Here are most of the images uploaded by User:Information Habitat -- there are some pictures of flowers that could be useful to other articles. There are some flower images below, which are duplicates of the ones I'm proposing we keep. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:25, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Image:Micronesia_Coat_of_Arms.gif - that's actually the flag of Andorra. Gzornenplatz 03:46, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

• Image:Rad-x.jpg only edit by user, not used anywhere on wikipedia. Maximus Rex 04:30, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Image:DesarguesTheorem.pdf - has been replaced in its article Desargues' theorem by the PNG version Image:DesarguesTheorem.png. --AugPi 06:36, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Image:10283-L.jpg (WARNING-PORNOGRAPHIC) is an innapropriate image of male masturbation. Whilst we do not want to censor, this is IMHO inappropriate. Dunc_Harris|☺ 15:08, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Image:Nudists3.bmp By same user, of some naked people (!), probably copyvio Dunc_Harris|☺ 15:09, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • They have all now been speedy deleted. Dunc_Harris|☺ 19:58, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Image:Constanta_online_www.cta.ro.gif - ad for some site, added in Constanta

• Image:Route.jpg whatever the merits of this photograph, it was uploaded by a user who created a userid to mimic the account of another user. All contributions by this person should be deleted. RickK 20:54, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
  • That's not a valid reason to delete what may be a well meaning contribution. Could you supply me with the name of the user whom he/she tried to mimic? Perhaps it was simply because the name he wanted was already taken.Mr. Grinch 22:27, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

July 15

• Image:Georgewbushsupermodel.jpg - only possible use for this I can think of is vandalism, orphaned, unknown source Guanaco 01:53, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Nonsense. Delete. RickK 04:09, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
  • Oh God--DO NOT LOOK AT THIS. Delete. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 13:35, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unless anyone can come up with a place for this to fit in. --Mr. Grinch 15:00, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Image:PIC00083.jpg apart from the appalling title I haven't got a clue. Secretlondon 04:15, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Image:Milfordjaialai.jpg - This image STILL needs to be deleted because it is orphaned, It was replaced with Milfordjaialai2.jpg on Jai alai. I don't know why this request is getting deleted from this page without the image actually being deleted. So again I request that Milfordjaialai.jpg please be deleted. Misterrick, 05:25 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

• Image:Victoria_state_flag_small.png - orphaned thumbnail Guanaco 04:30, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Image:New_South_Wales_flag_small.png
• Image:Queensland flag small.png - orphaned waving flag replaced by larger flat version Guanaco 04:30, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Image:DistributionCoconutCrab.jpg - replaced by Image:DistributionCoconutCrab.png. -- Wapcaplet 20:12, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

July 16

• Image:Uscapitolindaylight.jpg -- I uploaded this with the intention of using it for the front-page article, but another one was used before I got a chance. So it seems redundant now.kmccoy (talk) 03:49, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Image:National shrine of the immaculate conception.jpg -- Redundant. I typed the wrong article name... -- Sarcasticninja 06:00, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
• Image:National shrine of the immaculate conception small.jpg -- Redundant. -- Sarcasticninja 06:00, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
• Image:Netscape702.jpg — a screenshot encoded as JPEG. Ew. — [User:Timwi|Timwi]] 13:34, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. The program I used to create this screenshot, PhotoStudio, is unable to save files in a PNG format, so I used JPEG. If you would prefer a GIF or PCT file, let me know. Also, I uploaded the screenshot to replace an existing screenshot of Netscape 7.02, because all the existing screenshots were Windows-based. My version was Mac-based. By the way, I think it's heartless of you to delete a screenshot that is only one day old.Mr. Grinch 22:51, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Neither the program you use to create it (which is your own choice), nor the age of the image, have any relevance here. Upload the screenshot in any lossless format you want. You can upload a BMP, and someone will convert it to PNG for you. But JPEG is inacceptable for screenshots because it is lossy. (Personally, I also object to GIF unless your screenshot is guaranteed to use only 256 colours.) — Timwi 21:31, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Image:Running bowline.png -- Redundant. --Jcmaco | Talk 16:27, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
• Image:Corpse painting example.jpg -- copyright problem, see image description. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 20:19, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

July 17

• Image:RiverHydrofoil.jpg suggested for deletion (that boat looked rather tacky). Superseded by a better image: Image:YangtzeMeteor.jpg.

(Used in Riverboat and Hydrofoil) Leonard G. 05:39, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• • I think it would be good to keep it in the DB anyway, it can be used later, just because something isnt linked to it can still be in the libary. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 05:48, 2004 Jul 18 (UTC)

July 18

• Image:Manlynull.jpg. Uploaded a month ago by anon with no copyright info. Used on nerd probably to poke fun at someone. ☞spencer195 20:11, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Image:Track11.mp3 - vanity, mp3, which is an unacceptable format, orphan. RickK 22:44, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • I like the song myself, can't we find a place for it, convert it to OGG etc..? Sam [Spade] 22:51, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • What article do you think it would be appropriate to link to? RickK 23:01, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Isn't this a copyvio? Guanaco 01:51, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Yes, that's what I said above -- mp3's are unacceptable. RickK 04:29, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Why are MP3's unacceptable, so long as they're not copyvio? A song used illegally as an OGG is just as much of a copyvio as an MP3.
      • See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sound#MP3_on_Wikipedia RickK 19:43, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • I am not saying anything about the format. I mean I believe the song is a copyvio.
• Image:Saddamtrial.jpg - This is a screencap from CNN. It has been replaced in Saddam Hussein with Image:TrialSaddam.jpg, a freer image from the DoD.

July 19

• Media:Mcking_golfpresser_bootleg.ogg and Media:Mcking_du_bootleg.ogg. Bootlegs, as is obvious from the titles. RickK 22:56, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
• Image:Lully21.PNG — a better portrait is uploaded at Image:Jean-Baptiste_Lully.jpeg. — Pladask 00:04, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)