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This star, with one point broken, indicates that an article is a candidate on this page. Here, we determine which articles are to be featured articles (FAs). FAs exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and satisfy the FA criteria. All editors are welcome to review nominations; please see the review FAQ. Before nominating an article, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at Peer review and adding the review to the FAC peer review sidebar. Editors considering their first nomination, and any subsequent nomination before their first FA promotion, are strongly advised to seek the involvement of a mentor, to assist in the preparation and processing of the nomination. Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured article candidates (FAC) process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make efforts to address objections promptly. An article should not be on Featured article candidates and Peer review or Good article nominations at the same time. The FAC coordinators—Ian Rose, Gog the Mild, David Fuchs and FrB.TG—determine the timing of the process for each nomination. For a nomination to be promoted to FA status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the coordinators determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the coordinators: actionable objections have not been resolved; consensus for promotion has not been reached; insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met; or a nomination is unprepared. It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the main thrust of the process is to generate and resolve critical comments in relation to the criteria, and why such resolution is given considerably more weight than declarations of support. Do not use graphics or complex templates on FAC nomination pages. Graphics such as  Done and  Not done slow down the page load time, and complex templates can lead to errors in the FAC archives. For technical reasons, templates that are acceptable are {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}}, used to hide offtopic discussions, and templates such as {{green}} that apply colours to text and are used to highlight examples without altering fonts. Other templates such as {{done}}, {{not done}}, {{tq}}, {{tq2}}, and {{xt}}, may be removed. An editor is allowed to be the sole nominator of only one article at a time, but two nominations are allowed if the editor is a co-nominator on at least one of them. If a nomination is archived, the nominator(s) should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating. None of the nominators may nominate or co-nominate any article for two weeks unless given leave to do so by a coordinator; if such an article is nominated without asking for leave, a coordinator will decide whether to remove it. A coordinator may exempt from this restriction an archived nomination that attracted no (or minimal) feedback. Nominations in urgent need of review are listed here. To contact the FAC coordinators, please leave a message on the FAC talk page, or use the {{@FAC}} notification template elsewhere. A bot will update the article talk page after the article is promoted or the nomination archived; the delay in bot processing can range from minutes to several days, and the {{FAC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates {{Article history}}. Table of Contents – This page:

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Nominations

Elvis Presley

• I think that this really should be a featured article. He is "The King of Rock and Roll" after all. Marcus2 21:42, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object, needs quite a bit more detail. Everyking 21:49, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • For one specific bit - no coverage is mentioned of his often wacky antics. He is famous to those that knew him for doing whatever interested him and struck his fancy at the moment, including shooting various objects, especially those floated in his pool. Many interviews of people who spent time with him document these. - Taxman 00:10, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
• Comment. FA status is to recognize good writing, not what is noteworthy. The fact that he is "King of Rock and Roll" is irrelevant. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 22:04, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Agree with DropDeadGorgias. Also: 1) Lead section? 2) Too many short sections; "Gospel music" doesn't even wrap a single line in my browser. 3) Little treatment of the "Elvis did not die" theories. — Matt 03:06, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• And yet another contributor who's confused about what a featured article is (that is, not an article featured on the main page, but an article recognized for its exceptionally good writing, balance and completeness). Object on the grounds already mentioned, and add problems with style and overall not very good writing. This one has a long way to go. Exploding Boy 08:30, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Glass

• I'm surprised this isn't on Wikipedia:Featured articles already. --Eequor 19:33, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Very good article. A few copyedits here and there are needed, but more pressingly: The "glass flows" issue has been discussed at great length in the alt.folklore.urban newsgroup, and the consensus there (supported by citations from glass experts) is not acceptable for a Featured Article. If there is evidence against glass flow, we should cite experts themselves, not secondhand through Usenet! If this is fixed, I'll support it. DanKeshet 01:03, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• A minor objection. "History" section jumps from the Roman Empire to 12th and 14th century with nothing in between. Surely there must have been continous inventions that let Venice archieve such a success. Revth 05:06, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I've tried to bridge this glaring gap, but I'm no expert. Still needs a good copyedit. Bmills 08:53, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Looks great. Will try to add something myself, though it's probably going to be sometime in next week or so. I don't mind having it featured as it is. Revth 09:47, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• mmm, some dodgy parts, stylistically. Overall pretty good, but could use a bit of tweaking here and there, and some of the more obscure scientific terms (such as in the first paragraph or two) should be explained. Exploding Boy 08:36, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Edward R. Murrow

• I admit to beginning the article myself, but it has been greatly improved upon and it feels worthy of nomination. --Modemac 16:20, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Should have a section on his influence on later broadcasters. 81.168.80.170 18:03, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Kitchen

• How can this be improved? (Largely a self-nomination.) Lupo 14:15, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Strong support! My only slight nitpick might be a tad more focus on later sociologial impacts. How, for example, did the kitchen figure in feminist movements? Seriously, this is just quibbling; excellent article. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 14:51, 2004 Jul 19 (UTC)
• Neutral. Focused entirely on American and European kitchens which, while not something to oppose of, is quite lacking in depth. As far as I know, ancient Egyptians who built pyramids had well equipped kitchens that served workers. Why not start from there? Revth 16:23, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  Love to—got me any secondary sources? I don't have any, which is why I didn't write about it. Same goes for African or Asian kitchens: they're not mentioned because I have no information on their history and in what way they would differ from those I am familiar with, namely European and North-American kitchens. Lupo 16:56, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  It was on a TV show directed with a supervision by Professor Sakuji Yoshimura who studies the ancient Egypt culture. In an archeological dig, he found a village of workers who worked to make pyramids and found some evidences of kitchens that served them. His website is here.[1] and it lists dozens of sources under "Ancient Egyptian Quarries", though I'm not sure which one has informations usable for this article. For Asian kitchens, I will try writing something about them. Also, I'll list some more suggestions on discussion page because it's going to be bit long. Revth 23:57, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  I looked at your extlinks on the Eqyptian quarries, but I didn't see anything at all that would be useful for this article. Maybe I didn't look in the right places? If you do write something about Asian kitchens, that'd be great. Lupo 10:57, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. 81.168.80.170 17:54, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: The article could use full-sentence captions (see Wikipedia:Captions for ideas and background). -- ke4roh 23:35, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

  Changed some of the captions, but others already are good enough for me. Lupo 10:57, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is a very good article, one of our better ones. It contains a lot of good information from a few different perspectives. But ater a first reading, there are many things that jumped out at me: 1) There are a bunch of places where the language needs copyediting. "Technization" is not a word. "Worker class" is jarring. ("Working class" is more normal.) Why "waste" space for a fully equipped kitchen in a separate room if it had only cursory uses to "nuke" frozen meals? seems overly chatty. There are many sentences that are awkward gramatically. Exclamation marks reveal more about the expected reader's reaction than they do about the content. I may copyedit it, but only for the most glaring things. 2) I don't know what can be done about this, but I got lost reading it. This might be a good place for a timeline. DanKeshet 00:28, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  1. I see you changed (some of) what you perceived as "awkward" yourself. Other than that, I fear this objection is not actionable for me: English is a second language for me, and how am I to know what others might consider "awkward"? (Also changed "Technization" to "technicalization", which at least is an existing word.)
  2. I am surprised you got lost reading it. After all, the history section of the article is organized roughly in chronological order. I don't think a separate timeline is necessary. In fact, it might even be misleading because often a particluar innovation cannot be pinpointed to a precise date. Still worse, different kitchen types often coexist (sometimes for centuries). Lupo 10:57, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Far too western. They have kitchens in other parts of the world too, some of them places with histories stretching back thousands of years. The western kitchen is only one type of kitchen (and the caption "a typical modern kitchen" sufferes from the same western point of view). Exploding Boy 03:13, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

  You wouldn't have any pointers to secondary sources on kitchen types and the history of the kitchen in other parts of the world, would you? BTW, the caption never said anything about "typical", just "A modern kitchen", which looks pretty inconspicious and unbiased to me. Lupo 10:57, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • I agree with Exploding Boy. Perhaps the article could be moved to Kitchen (Western) or some more elegant title? Covering the history of Chinese, Egyptian and myriad other kitchens in one article seems like a tall order. Lupin 07:11, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • A same argument came up on what to do with Science fiction on television. I think the best thing to do is have a general summary on the topic and then like a history section, have a short paragraph or two on each region and have a link to articles divided by regions. That way, an article wouldn't become too long or confusing. Revth 09:29, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sarajevo

In the space of a few months, this has gone from an atrocious mess to, in my opinion, one that would easily be worthy of Featured Article status. Ambivalenthysteria 10:37, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Actually I nominated this yesterday or day before but someone deleted whole nomination with votes! Anyway about the images-AsimLed deleted all images and said he will upload new ones much better very soon.--[[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 14:01, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• I can`t find out who deleted the nomination! [[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 14:09, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• This was my reaction before the nomination was deleted, the image objection is probably invalid now:
  • Object. Nearly all of the photos and images have no source information at all. Several are probably taken by the person who uploaded it, but some are likely copyright violations. I'm also confused by the info-table. Is this article about the city, or the canton (or both)? And what on earth are Općinas? The lead section is a bit overloaded with information, but could be rewritten into several paragraphs or so. Jeronimo 17:17, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Your objections are not standing anymore. Check the article. --[[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 16:26, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Actually, most of them still stand. The pictures are dealt with, but I'm still unclear about the other issues. The table shows a map of regions (cantons?), not cities. I have still no clue wat Općinas are (neighbourhoods?). If this is something we are supposed to know, there should be an link to the article about Općinas. The lead section still needs some refactoring. As new remarks, I would like to see at least one picture (which should be coming shortly) and some book/magazine references about Sarajevo. Otherwise, this is a great article, very close to featured status. I'm confident it will be featured soon. Jeronimo 18:05, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • An Općinas is the smallest level of government - basically, a municipality. (see [2]). I'll see what I can do about rewording that section, the lead and the book references. If I can deal with these, would you be prepared to overlook the lack of another picture until AsimLed gets the chance to take care of that? Ambivalenthysteria 09:19, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Now there's only one photo, and its source is marked. I'll support. However, that one image needs a caption; also, more images would be nice. What I'd really like, however, is for someone to assure me that this won't become the focus of ethnic edit warring. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 14:24, 2004 Jul 19 (UTC)
  • AsimLed promised new images very soon.[[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 14:29, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Just for the record, Meelar - I've had this on my watchlist for several months, and I don't think I've ever seen an edit war here. It was just a neglected mess, not a disputed article. Ambivalenthysteria 09:11, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support.[[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 14:29, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. This article is decent, but I would like to see the intro paragraph streamlined, and some of the less central information in that introduction moved down to some of the sub-sections. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:30, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

Finland

This article looks like it's about ready to me. Sarge Baldy 10:03, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

• Object. Not bad, but IMO there are a lot of thinks that need fixing before this becomes featured. (I fixed some of these myself) In random order:
  • The lead section doesn't even mention the continent where Finland is located. Some more (very general) info in the lead section about the country would also be nice, to "attract the reader".
  • The country table has a few alignment issues; perhaps it could be widened, or edited to fix this (I could take a look myself). Also, the footnote about the euro is totally useless. There's no reason to put this kind of stuff in the table; the table should present the present, not the past.
  • The geography section mentions there are a lot of lakes and islands, but doesn't name any of these. What are the most important/largest ones? Rivers, perhaps? The cities are dealt with in the "demographics" section, but I'd think they fit better here.
  • It is noted that the majority of population seems to be concentrated in the south, why is that? (I know this may be obvious, but still since there's a map devoted to the topic, it could get a brief explanation.)
  • The population density image has a vague source and permission: "population density in Finland, governmental image, copyrighted, fair use". This needs more explanation.
  • The culture section is only a bullet list. This should be made into text.
  • The link to the non-existing Government Agencies in Finland in "misc topics" is useless. (I'll remove this myself later)
  • The "International rankings" seems rather random and biased (Finland is 1st in nearly all of them). Why are these rankings taken? Why are they so important? Are they at all authorative? Most of the facts presented by these rankings are interesting though, and I think that they should be in the article in another way. For example: "Finland has a lot of women in the parliament" could go into "Politics", while the "Global competiveness" is useful in the "Economics" section. And of course, the links could be use at that position to create a context and give a reference.
  • The economy section should be more up to date (this was taken from the CIA factbook), and be more specific. Name some famous Finnish companies (Nokia!). What is the GDP exactly? Etc.
  • There are no book/magazine references at all. This is needed to point the reader to more in-dept (English language) material; web links are not sufficient for this.
  • I really miss a photo or two of Finland. Something very generic such as a lake or a picture of Helsinki would already improve the article greatly.
  • Jeronimo 15:22, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Pac-Man

A really nice, full and interesting article on a true cultural icon. My only contribution was to cheer up one of the sentences a little. --bodnotbod 01:41, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

• Good article, but the Trivia, Historical Events and Legacy sections neeed a little tweaking. There are some unclear points in all three sections: (1) Did the 8 year old boy really get a letter from Reagan?, (2) the explanation of Pac Manhattan is a little unclear, (3) the part about "somewhat reverse engineering" the Atari version of Ms. Pacman could use work. I also corrected a couple of other mistakes. Exploding Boy 01:57, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

OK...

Point (1), there are not many references on the web, but it did happen - supposedly - in 1982. How does one decide if these refs are enough? [3]

Point (2) - I've rewritten the paragraph, how does it look now?

point (3) - I'm out of my depth. ;o) Any takers? --bodnotbod 22:41, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

• Object. This article has a lot of potential, but I see some areas for improvement: 1) Are those images free for use?, 2) To many red links, they should be consildated into the main article, new articles written for them or removed altogether, 3) No technical information on the original system, 4) I'd like to see some more information on the ports to other systems. --Zerbey 23:17, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

XSL attack

Self-nomination. Article about an attack that may (or may not) herald an early retirement for the Advanced Encryption Standard (and not about XML stylesheets...) — Matt 21:10, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object on the basis that it's too hard to understand. Links are great, but you need to explain some terms right off the bat. Even the lead section is unclear to those without prior/specialized knowledge. Exploding Boy 02:11, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
  • Agreed, but I think it can be fixed to the point that it is approachable enough to the average, well educated reader. That is the best an article on such a techical topic can hope for. Specifically I defined some previously un-defined terms in the intro. I think we'll have to put up with a longer than usual intro for an article this technical, in order to make it readable by more people. After the intro, the article could stand to have an even more specific discussion of the method itself. An example would be devine, but I would not object for the lack of it. - Taxman 17:42, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
  • Let's see if we can improve it. I think this is a difficult question that pops up in a lot of technical articles; exactly how much technical know-how can you assume? For example, in semigroup, you can probably get away with presuming that your reader knows what a group (mathematics) is; otherwise, they would be unlikely to be reading the article in the first place. If you don't make at least some assumptions, then you end up with hundreds of articles all burdened with duplicated definitions (and it makes it less useful for a specialist); on the other hand, if you define too little, then it becomes incomprehensible to a non-specialist. Personally, I think it's a good idea to make the lead section especially accessible, and to bring out the general relevance of the topic in a understandable-to-all way, but it's less necessary in the nuts-and-bolts parts of the article. — Matt 20:20, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. This is an inherently complex topic not reducible to simplicity in any potentially feasible WP article. This property is not a bar (eg, Attack on Pearl Harbor whose complexity is political and historical, not technical, but which is on the featured list even so despite its length). This article is clearly written and sensibly structured about obscure material; this alone qualifies it as a good WP article in my opinion. As a bonus, the topic is an important (if technical) one in a field of considerable relevance to most everyone. DRM relies on such techniques and will, it appears, be ubiquitous shortly. I note that the writing is not 'sparkling' in a literary sense, but this is not, I feel, relevant for such topics and has not been required for past WP featured articles. ww 14:06, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• (Not a vote yet) Matt, maybe this sounds ridiculous, but do you think it would be possible to show how the XSL attack works by means of a simple example? Of course not with a 128-bit block cypher, but with a much smaller one? If that would seem possible, I think it would greatly improve the accessibility of the article. Jeronimo 17:58, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Luis Muñoz Marín

A great article dealing with one of the most influential political figures in the Americas during the 20th Century. Also, the first democratically elected Governor of Puerto Rico. User: Coburnpharr04 16:13, ET, July 18

• Object. Without even going into detail: The first line isn't a complete sentence and violates Wikpedia standards for opening sentences. The article repeatedly calls him "Luis Muñoz Marín" - wouldn't "Muñoz Marín" every once in a while be appropriate? I realize these are nitpicks, but until such stuff gets fixed, this article is definitely not featured article worthy. OK, having given it another quick look: WHO considers him one of the most important leaders of the Americas in the 20th century? That bald statement in the first sentence needs work. There should be an article on the Liberal Party of Puerto Rico instead of just a link to Liberal. There are a lot of bad grammatical and spelling errors that need to be corrected. RickK 21:21, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • I have corrected the opening sentence and chagend the many many references to the complete name of Munoz. Also, Munoz Marin is considered by many Organizations to be one the most influential persons in the Americas. Prove of this is the fact the he was TWICE featured in TIME Magazine's cover; May 1949 and June 1958. In both articles he was called "one of the most influential politicans in recent times, whose works will be remembered for years to come." He was also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his works. Here are the links for the covers of the two TIME Magazines in which Munoz was the CENTRAL article.User: coburnpharr04 July 18, 18:35 ET
  • May 1949 Cover
  • June, 1958 Cover
    • So paraphrase those comments in the article, with links (though not INLINE links). And now the link is to Liberal Party, which is still not a link to a Puerto Rican Liberal Party. Still many spelling and grammatical errors. RickK 22:34, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
      • Added comments of TIME Magazine and fixed as many spelling errors as I could find. Also explained better the circumstances of his death. Removed link of Liberal Party. User: Coburnpharr04 July 18, 20:23 ET

• Approve. Approve!!, Approve! lol I originated the Article, and Munoz Marin is larger than life in Puerto Rico and some other Latin American areas. The article has a photo, and in-depth looks at his personal life and government.

"Antonio Jumping over the Bridge Martin"

Paul Is Dead

An excellent article. Neutrality 18:57, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Object. To tell you the truth, I've seen the same content on other websites, organized in a much cleaner fashion. Here is just a sample one, that organizes them cleanly by album, http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3674/pid.html. Also, there are tons of pictures that could be used here (like the cover of Sgt. Peppers, Abbey Road, etc). - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:09, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

• Strongly object. It's an interesting article, but hardly an excellent one. There are several big problems with style, the writing is just not very good at all, and in at least one place the writer refers to John Lennon in the present tense. There have to be better articles than this to nominate. As it stands, this one needs a lot of work. Exploding Boy 08:46, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Chinese language

Fascinating, clear article about a complicated topic. (Partly self-nom, I clarified a diagram). Lupin 13:57, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. The second language map is copyrighted. It even has a (c) mark in the image! Some other (superficial) remarks: the lead section seems overly long. Why is the Zhongwen image in the table? What does it illustrate? Jeronimo 17:22, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • image replaced with PD one. --Jiang 17:42, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • caption added to zhongwen image Lupin 18:25, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • lead shortened. Lupin 18:42, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. James F. (talk) 18:35, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object.

1. GENERAL/STYLE:

• Although the article makes an early reference to the different Categories used by Chinese and Western scholars, it does not make a clear distinction between the Chinese and the Western outlooks throughout the rest of the text. [ADDED: The distinctions that are introduced appear mostly political, and despite the historical statements on nationalism, etc. in their support, represent a single point of view (NO OBJECTION) regarding a perceived difference in outlook between China and the West. I suggest it would be more in tune with the "Chinese language" title of the article to treat the divergent linguistic analyses, if any, between China and the West (re nature of written/spoken language, its development, etc.). If it is really the case that all of the differences in outlook are political/sociological rather than linguistic, I suggest this be stated explicitly. 68.148.211.161 04:24, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC), i.e. A. Shetsen.]
• Since the whole matter of the "Chinese language" is so manifold, and this article is evidently the wrapper/introduction, very careful attention should be paid throughout the article to a logically strong, multi-level structure. As it stands now, there is too much text to wade through in order to find a sub-topic of particular interest.

The two objections above apply to every section. In addition:

2. SPOKEN CHINESE section:

• The article should tie in better with the individual treatments given to the various dialects/languages.
• General features of spoken Chinese that cut across all dialects/languages should be enumerated. Vocal pitch/tones? Homophones and the various way they are (as I understand it) resolved to provide speech context? The fundamental monosyllabism of the language? [ADDED: This is treated as an aspect of the written language. Is it immaterial for the spoken? Then that should be stated!] Lack of inflection and the devices used to deal with it, or rather, the synatctic devices that make inflection unnecessary? Etc. etc. etc?

3. WRITTEN CHINESE

Needs better structure and at least a brief mention of the pictographic to semantophonetic development. Though the various controversies regarding its details are better left to the main article, the fact that the linguistic graphical structure of the oracle-bone and bronze-vessel inscriptions is not equivalent to that of modern Chinese should be dealt with.

4. DEVELOPMENT OF CHINESE section:

• The historical treatment ("Development of Chinese") should be given with more dates so that the reader knows immediately when everything happened. The diagram in particular should be a timeline, but more careful attention to chronology should be paid throughout the text.
• Karlgren et al theorized that Chinese was originally inflected. Scholarship in China has, I am told, concentrated more on typology/classification. Both topics are not very well treated (some details, please!). Are there others missing?

5. MISSING SECTION: CHINESE SCHOLARSHIP

• Would such a section be made important not least because of the well-known Chinese scholarly tradition itself? Karlgren is mentioned by name, but there were many other scholars. From the West: Boltz; Boodberg; Creel are classics. From China itself (I place the list second for greater emphasis): Xu Shen an other classics; Chen Mengjia, Qiu Xigui, and many other moderns; all the periods in between. The basic question is, how (if at all) did the Chinese way of looking at their native language evolve during the long, long history of China?

These are only a sampling of topics. Others can be found as well. To repeat: I should saythat there is a lot of wonderful material in the article already. However, since the Chinese Language article is a wrapper/guide, it should deal, though briefly, with as many of such topics as possible, and, most important of all, it should be provided with an excellent outline structure to which more topics can be added later. A. Shetsen 20:29, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object - wikipedia:lead section needs condensing. --mav 05:45, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Nicholas II of Russia

Very good article. I think it deserves to be featured.--[[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 12:07, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• I objected the last time this was nominated, but my objections have yet to be addressed. They are: 1. The family background section needs expansion. 2. The vague term "this" is often used: "prevented this" or "previous to this." Some phrases from the article seem more appropriate: "this advice" or "this time." 3. More needs to be said about Rasputin's influence on the monarchy, and about the various hardships facing Russia. 4. The section on Nicholas' removal from power ("Revolution") is much, much too brief. 5. More information is needed on Nicholas II's execution. Why did the government feel that it was necessary to end his life? Were there any in the government who felt that execution was not necessary? Why was the execution concealed? When was the execution made public? What was the reaction of the Russian people? 6. The section on sainthood is insufficient. It needs to indicate if he was indeed viewed as a martyr prior to the sainthood. Furthermore, the first sentence lacks agreement ("were canonized as a saint"). 7. Nicholas II's style was, I believe, "Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias," rather than "Emperor and Autocrat of All Russia." I am not, however, confident as to this point. So, generally, I feel that many sections are not comprehensive enough. -- Emsworth 14:28, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • "All the Russias" was the traditional English translation, but my understanding is that this is a poor translation, and "All Russia" is better. I'll take a look at the article and see what I can do. john k 14:50, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Actually, the correct translation would be "All of Rus'", not Russia or Russias. Ausir 20:58, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • You mean Царь всея Руси? By the twentieth century, this titlе had been modernized. The full Russian text is as follows:

Божиею поспешествующею милостию, Мы, ... , Император и Самодержец Всероссийский, Московский, Киевский, Владимирский, Новгородский; Царь Казанский, Царь Астраханский, Царь Польский, Царь Сибирский, Царь Херсониса Таврического, Царь Грузинский, Государь Псковский, и Великий Князь Смоленский, Литовский, Волынский, Подольский и Финляндский; Князь Эстляндский, Лифляндский, Курляндский и Семигальский, Самогитский, Белостокский, Корельский, Тверской, Югорский, Пермский, Вятский, Болгарский и иных; Государь и Великий Князь Новагорода Низовския земли, Черниговский, Рязанский, Полотский, Ростовский, Ярославский, Белозерский, Удорский, Обдорский, Кондийский, Витебский, Мстиславский, и всея Северныя страны Повелитель; и Государь Иверския, Карталинския и Кабардинския земли и области Арменския; Черкесских и Горских Князей и иных Наследный Государь и Обладатель; Государь Туркестанский; Наследник Норвежский, Герцог Шлезвиг-Голстинский, Стормарнский, Дитмарсенский и Ольденбургский, и прочая, и прочая, и прочая."

The opening in English is therefore "Emperor and Autocrat of all Russia". Всероссийский is an adjective that could in principle mean either "of all Russia" or "of all the Russias", but note that the acient formula "Всея Великия, Малыя, Белыя и Червонныя Руси" ("of All the Great, Small, White, and Scarlet Rus") had been eliminated. Besides (on a totally different topic), I'm afraid "Rus" will probably provoke an endless descussion with the Ukrainians, which is scarcely to the point here. A. Shetsen 23:24, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• • Am I correct in presuming: "Great Russia" = Today's Russia; "Small Russia" = The Ukraine; "White Russia" = Belorussia and "Red Russia" = Galicia? -- Emsworth 15:30, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. The execution section being about as long as the rest of the entry put together is emblematic of the lack of coverage in just about every other section. 172 17:27, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. My objections are roughly identical to those listed above by Lord Emsworth. I can add two things: 1) The painting needs source information (even if it is in the PD) and 2) The lead section is way too confusing now. IMO, it should contain only the Gregorian dates, while the Julian dates belong somewhere in the article, along with a brief explanation why these are relevant to the article. The full names can also be moved into the article. Instead, it should briefly explain why Nicholas II was relevant in history. Jeronimo 17:30, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• I've added some more detail on the earlier stuff...but it still has problems, I think. I'd say this still isn't a feature-worthy article. john k 15:11, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix

Just recently (and nicely) sectioned; this is now among the best of the rock music bios and, I think, a model for biographies of any sort. Jgm 00:07, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. The image has no copyright or source information. The sectioning was also non-standard, but I've already fixed that. Jeronimo 08:59, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. 195.167.169.36 13:31, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Papal election

(Uncontested -- 17 July)

Self-nomination. The page was at "conclave," but I have moved it because the article now covers pre-conclave elections as well. -- Emsworth 23:27, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. 172 17:28, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Well-written and informative. Satori 21:46, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
• Object: needs fuller captions. Other than that I support it. 195.167.169.36 13:11, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I don't see a need for a fuller caption for "folded ballot paper." That paper is shown to illustrate the notes; essentially, the notes are the caption. In any event, I think anyone can see the relevance of a ballot paper to the election. For the Camerlengo proclaiming a papal death, again the caption explains the relevance sufficiently, IMHO. The only problem is with the Sistine Chapel picture, which I have just addressed. -- Emsworth 14:31, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • This is slightly off topic, but do we allow unsigned votes here? I think we should adopt the same policy as VFD, and only allow signed votes, to avoid dupes. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:57, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • FAC is not a vote. Anyone can list improvements that should be made before an article is featured. Pcb21| Pete 23:52, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Very interesting article. Chris 73 | Talk 13:28, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Fascinating stuff. -- ALargeElk | Talk 14:04, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Can we get a good picture or illustration of the smoke signals? I always wondered what those looked like. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:57, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

Joseph Stalin

(uncontested - 17 July)

Seemingly well-written and thorough article; well-illustrated IMO. I'm not involved with it, other than a few image fixes I've done. blankfaze | (беседа!) 22:56, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

*Support. A. Shetsen 02:46, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC) Widthdrawing support because of recent edits. The article I supported was neutral and left conclusions to the reader. I am NOT registering an objection, just keeping out of the ideologically-motivated bullshit. A. Shetsen 02:16, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Rather than changing your vote, why not revert the recent changes? 172 04:06, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Because if it is a matter of less than ten words, surely some formula can be found which is unobjectionable to both sides, rather than inserting, erasing, inserting, erasing... You guys are the ones warring -- why not settle on something? 'Sides, reviewers should be careful not to enter into an edit war on what they're reviewing! A. Shetsen 04:58, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

That's easy for you to say. It's easy to make criticisms on FAC, but not to reason with these users making these hasty and emotional contributions in articles about controversial subjects. 172 05:02, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

OK have it your way... That millions died in the camps is known. The issue is twofold:

• Stalin was loved at the time. Some Russians today are ashamed of this, others proud. Both these camps being in the minority, BTW. (In any case, purges and genocide are scarcely unique to the other side, but this last bit is a comment more on the edit war mentality than on the period 1924-1953 in the USSR.) +
• The reason he was loved (and is still by some) is that he was strong. (Again: nothing unique to the other side here, but...) He did push industrialisation... which carried the country through what with every justification (i.e., blood) is called the Great Patriotic War. Yes, collectivisation, purges, etc. ... but history is grey. +

So under the circumstances, the correct thing to do may be, if I may make a suggestion, to make some kind of equivocation in the intro and more equivocations, with gory figures attached, both ways, of course, later on. Don't be afraid to equivocate... As it stands, the edit war is silly absolutes attempting Mutually Assured Destruction. A. Shetsen 05:14, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• I've now introduced the changes. Let's see if they too are erased. A. Shetsen 06:01, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. [[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 12:01, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. Could be better organized. (Science and deportations could be self-standing articles; the section on social services should be expanded (think carrot and stick), with an emphasis on the role they played in his consolidation of power (compare to the coverage of this subject in Saddam Hussein) 172 17:23, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. Propaganda magnet. RickK 22:36, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • With all due respect to Rickk (I think he does a great job keeping the vandals at bay), he's letting that cloud his judgement here. His objection is inactionable and therefore invalid. →Raul654 22:40, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • That GNU/Linux naming controversy survived shows the power of the Wiki way to heal damage. Now, if George W. Bush or Michael Moore were nominated ... - David Gerard 23:25, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • OK, I was trying to avoid trying to say this, but I'll just come out and say it. The Joseph Stalin article is one of the articles that User:172 likes to edit in his never-ending quest to whitewash the history of all leftist dictators everywhere. RickK 23:28, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
      • Featured articles are NPOV and factually accurate - objecting on these grounds is a legitamate complaint. Ad-hominem objections aside, can you find anything in the article itself that would lead you to believe this this article is either factually disputable or POV? →Raul654 00:02, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
        • Besides the fact that 172 keeps deleting that millions of people died under his rule? RickK 04:18, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
      • A nonsensical personal attack. Consider the source. 172 23:56, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• There seems to be an edit war in progress at this very moment. Something to consider. VV 00:27, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• From reading the above comments and reading the page history, I think it's obvious that this page is currently the subject of on-goings edit wars. This disqualifies it from FAC consideration. Come back when these issues have been resolved amicably. →Raul654 05:08, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

SpaceShipOne flight 15P

(contested - July 17)

Self-nomination: I created and wrote almost all of this article. I think it's a good example of Wikipedia coverage of current events. The article is a bit short compared to typical featured articles, but this is attributable to the rather narrow focus. The only thing I think is seriously lacking is images: there are lots of images available of the flight and ensuing celebration, but none on Wikipedia yet. 81.168.80.170 19:51, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Nice work. But this really begs for an image. Are there any available under free licences? [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 06:37, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I've added a note to Wikipedia:Requested pictures. Of the 11,000 people that went to Mojave to watch it, surely there must have been a few Wikipedians. Might also be worth asking for permission to use some of the images on the extlinked page of images - I'd rather leave such diplomacy to a more experienced Wikipedian. 81.168.80.170 11:43, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. This really needs an image. There are some images at SpaceShipOne, but these are not taken from the flight itself. The article itself mostly lists facts, especially the "flight profile" section. Many of these could be conveniently listed in a table of some sort. There should also be a better introduction to the article, linking it tightly with the earlier mentioned article about the ship (one might even consider merging, but I think there's enough information for a separate entry). Finally, the lead section introduces the Ansari X Prize, which cannot be considered common knowledge. A brief explanation in the lead section seems appropriate. Some minor concerns: it would be nice to give the sources of the reactions; the the units used should be linked (miles, meters, etc.) Jeronimo 17:42, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I've reworked the lead section to explain the X Prize, though I think that can be improved further, and linked the units. What do you mean by "linking it tightly with the ... article about the ship"? Re listing facts: the flight profile is by its nature a dry sequence of facts, but it is not amenable to tabulation -- it's a narrative, and there's very little meaningful comparison to be made between the various numbers presented. 81.168.80.170 18:53, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Also (I missed it out earlier): the sources of the reaction quotations are in the external links list. Is more required than that? 81.168.80.170 20:58, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• What I meant by linking the article tightly with the ship article: It is very likely that either a) the reader enters this article through the SpaceShipOne article or b) the reader switches to the SpaceShipOne article after or while reading the lead section of this article. Right now, I think there's not enough information about the ship for this link. Also, the Tier One programme seems important, but that article is just a (ridiculous) stub. As for the dry list of facts, I think a table or a list would do great for some of the info. It enables the reader to skip this information, which is mostly unnecessary for understanding the article. If you take a look at the sub-articles of the Apollo program, you'll see the information is presented in both tables and lists, which reads a lot easier. As for the links: it may be better to link the sources directly from the text, but frankly don't know what the WP:MOS says about that. Jeronimo 06:25, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I still don't understand what you're saying about linking. What kind of additional information do you want where? 195.167.169.36 16:41, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Comparison with Apollo program: SS1 flights are not yet sufficiently standard to summarise in an infobox. I expect such an infobox to evolve after a few more flights. Until we know what kind of structure is required, attempting to impose a structure would be misleading and counterproductive. 195.167.169.36 16:41, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

James Dole

I think its an impressive yet concise article on James Dole, the founder of the Hawaiian Pineapple Company that later became Dole Food Company. Its rare to find an article like this with great historical pictures. --James Easton 17:35, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Satori 23:13, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
• See, here's where we run into trouble again with this whole Featured articles/Featured articles business. I think this article is fine for featuring on the main page, but I don't think it deserves particular recognition for outstanding writing. Exploding Boy 01:46, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • The writing could do with a polish, but it's not bad. Support - David Gerard 10:50, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - article on the whole is short and most of the wikipedia:lead section is about the company not the man. This needs to be fixed. --mav 20:21, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Gender role

Just read this. It's very well written, seems quite complete, and deserves recognition. Exploding Boy 05:52, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

• Minor objection - can you expand the lead section? →Raul654 05:54, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • What, the section above the ToC? I think it's a good intro -- succinct and easy to understand. The concept is fully described in the body of the article. Isn't that how it should be? Exploding Boy 06:04, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • According to the usual Wikipedia News style, the intro for an article that size would want to be about 2 paragraphs, and to summarise the main points of the rest of the article. Morwen - Talk 06:23, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Wikipedia: News style specifically says that articles don't have to follow that style. The main article on News style says:
        • The lead is the first sentence, or in special cases the first two sentences. The top-loading principle applies especially to leads, but the unreadability of long sentences constrains the size of the lead. . . . the goal is to articulate the most encompassing and interesting statement that a writer can make in one sentence, given the material he or she has to work with.
        • While a rule of thumb says the lead should answer most or all of the 5 W's, few leads fit all of these in. If they did they would either be tedious, opaque with jargon or too long.
        • The second paragraph is a fine place for vital information that does not appear in the first. At the very end comes the non-vital material.
      • On the other hand, Wikipedia: Lead section says that "the appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than two or three paragraphs."
      • Now, I'm not trying to be pedantic here, but since there are no specific guidelines, and we can't even agree here, all of this bears fleshing out. Actually, this article's lead section is one paragraph... But I'll see what I can do. Exploding Boy 06:33, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • Expanded lead section. Exploding Boy 06:42, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
• Nice article. Objection: needs pic, or several. Then support - David Gerard 15:31, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Any suggestions for photo? The obvious thing would to be have a 1950s-style married couple. 80.229.39.194 15:33, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • The '50s married couple. Transvestites. Hermaphrodites. Manly men. Womanly women. That's just off the top of my head. There must be pics aplenty already on Wikipedia for the purpose - David Gerard 15:40, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • What about just a butch woman or effeminate man? Ambivalenthysteria 09:07, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. I've thrown together a quick graphic of the mars and venus sigils that are commonly used to symbolize gender roles. I think it would look ok as the graphic for this article on the front page, but it might be too cheesy. If someone finds a better photo (is there something from the kinsey studies that can be used here) feel free to replace it. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:37, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • eegh, that is so cheesy. I'll see what I can come up with. There must be something on Wikipedia already. Failing that, I'll round up TS and TG folks of my acquaintance for the camera ... - David Gerard 13:48, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. That's pretty impressive, and a lot of the other gender-related articles are horrid. In comparison, I can't find anything wrong with this at all. Ambivalenthysteria 09:07, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. However, the article would greatly benefit from images illustrating traditional gender roles. 195.167.169.36 12:40, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

===1964 New York World's Fair=== (July 15)

Stumbled upon this--seems quite comprehensive. jengod 23:59, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

• Support. 81.168.80.170 10:00, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Image has no source information. Furthermore, the image is hardly informative: it shows buildings and highways, and these could be anywhere, really. Jeronimo 10:51, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Intro too long. Article could do with a bit of a polish. But it's feature material - David Gerard 11:07, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - the lead section is too long and needs to serve as a concise summary of the whole article. See Wikipedia:lead section. --mav 20:17, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

===steel=== (contested - July 15)

Lots of solid information. 81.168.80.170 20:05, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Good article. Satori 21:00, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

• Object - could use some information on the current state of the steel industry and an economic view. For example tariff battles and the rise of the efficiency of micro mills which has revolutionized the industry. Though finding information on that may take a better googler than I. Also, the intro refers to non-carbon steel that is never again mentioned in the article. Inquiring minds want to know. - Taxman 21:44, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
• Object. History section seems to stop at 1900 - was this originally a EB 1911 article? No recent history at all. There should at least be mention of the European Coal and Steel Community, and certainly of "steel wars" between Europe and the US in recent years. The history is section should also be split in to several sections, and the lists at the bottom are quite useless, since most information is already embedded in the article. The "main steel producers" should only be a link, or it should provide more information than just four names. There are no references at all, neither web or book, which should be fixed. I also miss a good overview of present uses of steel (in construction) and some famous steel constructions (bridges). All in all, this needs a lot more information than it currently has. Jeronimo 11:06, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Igor Stravinsky

Self nomination. Rewrote a short and poorly written article. Marlowe 19:57, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. However, a nit: the portrait by Picasso is in BMP format; this should be changed to a more standard format. 81.168.80.170 20:20, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. EXCELLENT. small nit: city should be called St. P., not Saint P. (here's some trivia: locals never use the Saint except in officialese) A. Shetsen 04:45, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Changed to 'St.'Marlowe 21:49, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Thank you. No objection even before, full support. A. Shetsen 21:15, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support: really well written and structured article on a major figure. Bmills 10:11, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object reluctantly: lots of great content. However I think that someone with a golden quill needs to go over it for stylistic reasons; several sentences come across as containing too many commas, being too long or just being a bit clumsy. I've had a little go at fixing this but haven't finished (or done a particularly wonderful job). Lupin 11:10, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Just spent some more time picking over text and constructions. Ommited some commas where extraneous, and left others where helped with clarity. Also noticed that you and a few others have made some great edits. Hopefullly this clears up your objection.Marlowe 21:49, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Change vote to neutral. I've just gone over it again, and have made more changes. I think it reads better now, but someone else should read it again I feel. Also, the more I read it, the more the article reads like a eulogy. I think there must have been (and remain) critics of Stravinsky's work who should be given greater voice for the sake of NPOV. Lupin 12:50, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I don't think that there is a respectable view that he was a bad composer. (Some people don't like his music, but that's not the same thing as it being bad.) We don't need to mention in every composer's article that some people might not care for his stuff. Markalexander100 02:50, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • That some "people" may not "like" Stravinsky's music is not at all what Lupin was saying. Actually, among the pupils of Schoenberg and Stravinsky there was quite the animosity. Hyacinth 03:03, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. (I've been doing the same as Marlowe). Markalexander100 11:31, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - A good article but it still lacks a lead section which is a basic requirement of being featured. That section needs to be a concise summary of the whole article - where he was born and where he died needs to go in the biography section only. For an article this size there should be one to two paragraphs (a paragraph needs at least 3 sentences). --mav 20:07, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Changing to Neutral and will change to Support once a slightly longer lead section is developed. --mav 20:15, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Done (two paragraphs of two sentences each, but we can stick them together if you're counting;)). Markalexander100 02:59, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support'.
• Support. Good article. I might tweak the serialism section some more--needs Canticum Sacrum, Threni and Requiem Canticles. Antandrus 03:12, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. 1) Lead section needs expanding. 2) The music section mentions the "rediscovery of his Orthodox faith in the 1960s"; the "Biography" section doesn't mention this. Orthodox Judaism or Eastern Orthodox Christianity? — Matt 03:25, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Tynwald Day

(Uncontested -- 15 July) This is a self-nomination. It would have been nice for me to have thought of this last month, so that objections could have been resolved and the article displayed on the main page on Tynwald Day (July 5), but since I did not, I presume we will have to wait until next year. -- Emsworth 19:31, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. If Emsworth wants to singlehandedly dominate FA for years to come, who am I to stop him? [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 19:41, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Generally a good article, but some repetition needs tidying up. Foor example, these three facts are stated twice: Monday if the 5th is a weekend day, hill is artificial, flag bears three leg symbol. Also, should the flag image be placed by the 1st mention to clarify the symbol right away? If these are fixed, I'll Now support. Bmills 13:51, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Okay, I've addressed these issues. -- Emsworth 17:03, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Great article about something I had never heard of until today. Jeronimo 10:55, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Excellent article with one nit: maybe its just me that wants see also's but I feel strongly it connects the wikipedia material better, and I usually want to read more about an interesting topic like this. For example, links to History of the Isle of Man, Government of the Isle of Man would help along with others. I've already started it, but I'm commenting here because I think it should be a standard feature of featured articles. - Taxman 14:08, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

Operation Downfall

Self nom. It's a little something I wrote. I think it's pretty accurate and complete. Also, regarding the image - I spent 6 months trying to get permissions to use it, but it's basically proven hopeless. There's a GFDL version under construction right now. →Raul654 19:15, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Short but sweet, a good read. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 19:33, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Marlowe 19:39, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Good stuff. 81.168.80.170 20:35, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support - David Gerard 20:59, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - excellent article with hopefully easily fixed objections
  • The Estimated Casualties section is a little hard to follow. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th "paragraphs" seem to contradict the 1 million casualty estimate, and a single "however" in the next paragraph suddenly switches gears.
    • The paragraph you refer to was added by someone else later and I've never really liked it. I have removed most of it and refactored the rest. →Raul654 22:23, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
      • Hmm, I actually thought some of that removed material was making a good point. It was just unclearly written. If the proportion of allied casualties to Japanese casualties was actually increasing towards the end of the war, and the attack points were obvious to the Japanese and they had been heavily fortifying them, and over a million troops were on the home island, then the point that a million casualties was possible is supported. If those facts arent correct, then so be it, but if they are, they need to be left in the article, just more clearly written. - Taxman 14:41, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • (Warning: I am uncompromisingly POV about certain points in this article, as a reading of Talk:Operation Olympic will show.) The figure of one million casualties was what the troops expected in this invasion, & a study at http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/arens/ will show that while this high figure might be inflated, the cost in American casualties would have been equal to one-fourth of what had been suffered prior to that point -- & Japanese casualties, both military & civilian (if one can make a distinction in this possible case), many times higher. One might ask which was the more humane act: Truman's order to drop the bomb, or Emperor Hirohito's agreement to an unconditional surrender? -- llywrch 22:26, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The first sentence in the 5th paragraph starting "however" is unclear - "...higher American casualties to Japanese casualties compared to those before." - before what? Before in the Pacific, or as compared to the D-day numbers just referenced? What two campaigns are being referred to and what really is a campaign? Sorry, I'm just not well versed in military terminology.
    • (See above →Raul654)
  • Maybe it is just my leariness that the categorization scheme will ever be robust enough, but just putting it in a category with no See also links seems to make it harder to access more background articles for the topic. - Taxman 22:14, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm not quite sure what you are objecting to - can you clarify? →Raul654 22:23, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
      • Simply that the article needs a see also section. See also's are standard in encyclopedia's and help the interested reader find related material better or in at least a complimentary way to the categorization scheme. See also could include links to Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki for example, which currently takes reading of the Hiroshima or Nagasaki articles to get to and certainly provides a contrast to the material in this article. There are others that would be valuable that someone that is familiar with the Pacific theater in WWII could add. For example even a link to an overview of the Pacific theater would be helpful. I think See also's should be standard requirement for featured articles in fact. - Taxman 14:41, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)
        • "See also" is depricated - anything that should go in a see-also should be discussed in the text itself. →Raul654 15:17, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)
          • Seems like that would make the text excessively long. Do you have any other basis for calling "see also" depricated, or is it merely your opinion? anthony (see warning)
            • I remember seeing it in some policy somewhere, although such policies are numerous and often obscure. I could, of course, be wrong. →Raul654 02:09, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. Uses non-free image that may even be a copyvio. Once the GFDL version is constructed, looks good. anthony (see warning)
  • I found two very nice PD maps to use instead and have replaced the old picture. →Raul654 02:48, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Looks good. anthony (see warning) 14:47, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

PaX (Linux)

Contested -- July 13

self-nomination

PaX is an article about a security patch for Linux. I enjoy using PaX, and wished to show my support by writing an article on it. As the article is well written, and work that I am particularly proud of, I felt I could nominate PaX for FA.

The article is very accurate, as I've written most of it from my experience and from data I've read on PaX, and have had the developer run over it for me to make sure there were no factual issues.

Even though I am a hardcore PaX supporter, I leave my personal feelings about PaX out of the article. I believe that I can best support PaX and the diffusion of information about it by avoiding any propagandist slur or influence in the article itself. My goals are to present a complete and concise description of what PaX is and what it does, and I believe that I have achieved this in PaX.

I believe that the article is written in such a way that it only presents the user with complete and concise information about what PaX is and what it does, and leaves him with only deep technical questions which can be answered by visiting the PaX homepage--linked to in PaX--and reading through the several pages of technical documentation. This is exactly what an encyclopedia is supposed to do.

--Bluefox Phoenix Lucid 04:10, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Object. My general impression is that this is a long way off from being a feature-worthy encyclopedia article and currently reads like a piece of technical documentation. I'd recommend a spell on Wikipedia:Peer Review first. Some specific problems: 1) Who is the author of the patch? The article should mention this. 2) The lead section is incomprehensible to a non-specialist, even to a computer science graduate. It's OK for a Featured Article to be technical, but the lead section should provide an overview, and provide definitions or wikilinks to essential concepts which might be unfamiliar for the reader. 3) Moreover, throughout the article, more links need to be given to technical concepts mentioned, even if the articles don't yet exist. 4) Any famous users of this patch? — Matt 04:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Explain (2) please. Do computer science graduates not know what occurs inside a computer? Particularly, do they not understand the basic concepts of memory managment and virtual memory? Or does "Least Privilage" confuse people? Nonetheless, I concede that somehow I managed to spit out incomprehensible gibberish grammerically. This has been rewritten. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
    • Sure; computer science graduates do indeed have at least a vague idea of what goes on inside a computer. However, there's probably few who could understand "Executable Space Protections to take advantage of or emulate the functionality of an NX bit; and Address Space Layout Randomization to obfuscate ret2libc" without further explanation, and the article currently offers no way of finding out the meaning of the undefined technical terms. — Matt 19:45, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Check my work, I've added a wikilink but the page doesn't exist. Also, check currently section 1.1. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • I think I satisfied (2) and (3). Please check my work and strike if you agree. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • (1) and (4) I've satisfied. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• Object. I agree with the above objections. Also, the article is lacking a discussion of why PaX is significant. The feeling I get from the article is almost that PaX is just one security patch that implements several ideas implemented by other people. Does PaX make a technical contribution? Is there a significance to how it affects society? What's the impact? Without being POV, of course, the article needs to make the argument. Zashaw 05:06, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I can't help your "feelings" that you get from the article. I show what PaX supplies. It supplies a lot, and there's no reason why supplying more than one thing should imply that you stole the ideas or code from everyone else. The best I can say is, look at the date given in section 3 for when PaX came around. It grew from there. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • Added section 1. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• In addition to that, it needs information about 'why the patch is needed'. Why isn't it in the mainline kernel? Morwen - Talk 06:22, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • As I understand it, the author isn't ready to advocate PaX for mainline yet, as it doesn't work on all architectures. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • I noted this on the article now in section 1. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• Object as of this date's version. The article covers a signficant approach to a serious problem, has more than merely Linux relevance, and deserves a WP article. There is, buried in the version of this date, a possible featured quality article. The technical issues cannot be described without some obscurity to the previously unexposed and so this is acceptable in such an article. However, even so technical an article can be structured as to help such a Reader. This version is not. Newspaper pyramid structure is redundant, overly wordy and repeats too much, but it does put the most approachable account right at the top. This article does not do so, and for so technical a topic, this is a major problem for the Reader not already familiar with the topic. There is some discussion of the virtues of good 'narrative arc' in articles on technical topics at Talk:Secret sharing which may help illuminate my objection. ww 20:24, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • OK, this interests me. Would you be willing to help with this? The most important part of an article is its factual accuracy (which implies NPOV), but a very close second (almost a gemini) is how well it conveys the information to the reader. If I'm missing on one of these points (you say the second), that's bad. Should I move section 1, Why PaX is significant, to the top? --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• Illustration needed. A diagram helping explain the concept to the less technical reader would do nicely. - David Gerard 21:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Bask in the awesomeness of my obvious lack of drawing skills :) --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
  • I misread the instructions earlier and have been striking out peoples' objections as I satisfy them. Please strike this one if you find the diagrams adequite. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
    • Those are just what I was thinking of :-) Now I would like a shrubbery something theoretically main-page-friendly. That's not an objection to FAC status, btw, just a request for a nice bit of eyecandy. - David Gerard 10:32, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I'll see if he'll let me use the PaX Tux.  :) --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
      • Anyone is free to prettify my diagrams; but you should note that the simplistic display brings more attention to what it is rather than "ooh eye candy. . . wtf was this supposed to be?" Go ahead and make wavy, curvy, 3D cute things if you like; but try not to make it less point-in-face.  :) Also try to keep the same size. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid 16:17, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Not an objection: A bit more on why the authors want to remain anon would be appropriate. Particularly given that, in the wake of the recent unpleasantness, the chance of an anonymous patch ever getting into the kernel is zero. This sort of behaviour from an open source author is more than just somewhat odd, it's distinctly weird - David Gerard 10:32, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • He says, "tell him 'just because' ;P" --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
    • How convincingly childish of him - David Gerard 20:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • No law says he has to give you his name. I've only recently released my name to the public. --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
        • FIGHT THE POWER!!!1!1!!!!11! FUCK YOU I WON'T DO MY HOMEWORK! as the band sang. No, but it has helped form my opinion of him - David Gerard 22:10, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
          • Now you're just being childish. --John Moser 05:17, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • He also says, "also tell him that i don't want to get pax into the kernel," which is noted in the article --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid
• Object. There's been some good work on this article, and its improved loads. I particularly like the "Address space layout randomization" diagrams. However, I still think there's a few problems: 1) The "History" section is currently just a snippet from a HISTORY log file; could we rework this into an actual narrative paragraph? It would also be useful to have some dates in the lead section, too. 2) What's a ret2libc attack? 3) Do we know why it's not advocated for Kernel inclusion at this time? Does it need further development? 4) What other patches are available that do the same work as PaX? 5) How effective is PaX at preventing shellcode and "ret2libc" attacks? Completely? Mostly? — Matt 00:42, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. After reading the article, I can't tell if PaX has anything beyond emulation of the NX bit. The intro seems to say it also marks program memory as non-writeable. Is that different from the NX bit? How? How does PaX compare to the other NX implementations like W^X and Exec Shield? Also, understanding of one of the major features of PaX as you have written it is dependent on knowing what a ret2libc attack is and even what ret2libc itself is. - Taxman 01:09, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Oceanic Whitetip Shark

(Contested - July 13)

• Object. Needs a picture, at least. Compare Humpback Whale to see how good an article on a sea creature can be. — Matt 02:40, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I agree that a picture can speak a thousand words in this type of article, and we should add one here if at all possible. However a quick comment: the nice thing about writing about Humpbacks is that they are one of the most studied sea animals around, meaning there is a lot of information available on them. This is not the case for other cetacean species - the answer to many questions is simply "unknown". I suspect the same will be true all but the most headline-grabbing shark species. I would be happy to see this article get featured status. I like the slightly chatty style, but others have been concerned about this style in the past. Pcb21| Pete 13:04, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Sure, I concede that if there's not much known, then that's fine — Wikipedia compiles human knowledge, and can't do anything if that knowledge is lacking. A photo or diagram is really requisite, though. — Matt 20:38, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I now think there is more knowledge that we can document; see the comment below. — Matt 01:37, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• I should clarify: This is a self-nomination. Sorry for omitting that.

There are no public domain photos (or drawings) of this species online. I contacted a photographer for permission to use an excellent underwater shot. One reason I (self-)nominated the article is that it makes a fairly easy, but genuine contribution to our knowledge about sharks. The Oceanic Whitetip is the most dangerous shark in the world, with the most human fatalities, yet since it lives in the open water, that data doesn't connect with typical shark-attack indices. It's simply not credited. This is the only article for a general readership (that I've ever seen) that connects the dots. The Oceanic Whitetip is also, according to marine biologists, probably the most common large animal in the world. I think that rises beyond trivia and makes this a species of far more importance than it's usually given. And to concur with Pcb21, it's true that far more is known about Humpback Whales than about sharks, and far less about the Whitetip than about other, more famous species of shark. -Auto Movil

• alright, a cryptoanalyst thinks articles on sea creatures should have photos. there's no photo available. i disagree on that assessment, but dowanna argue; it's withdrawn.
  • I agree with Exploding Boy below: "don't be too hasty". Feel free to argue. Articles that have objections can still be promoted. There just has to be a consensus to promote. It's perfectly valid for any non-specialist — even a cryptanalyst (there's no "o") — to have an opinion on the quality of an article; ideally there should be both specialist and non-specialist vetting on this page. — Matt 17:47, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Don't be too hasty. Support. Exploding Boy 07:09, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
• Object. 1. The sections (perhaps even the whole article) are too short. 2. There are no references; if the External Links are used as such, they should be properly formatted, for example in (not necessarily in) the APA Style. 3. Some measurements provide Imperial equivalents, while others do not. Either all measurements, or none of the measurements, should provide Imperial equivalents. 4. Capitalisation varies in the article. It uses "Oceanic Whitetip" as well as "Oceanic whitetip." Which is correct? 5. Several sections require wiki-links. -- Emsworth 18:23, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - way too short for featured. No lead section, stub sections, no info on evolution. Much more needed. --mav 01:17, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. After searching for about an hour and a half - I found a PD image on a Hawaiian US govt. site. I have created a map of distribution. Created naming section - and added information to Habitat and Distribution. As well as references. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 18:07, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object, but an easy one to fix. If that is all the known material thats fine (to me), but it needs a summary of the important material in the intro section. One or two paragraphs is fine. - Taxman 01:19, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Thanks to OldakQuill for the images, they really help. 1) As mentioned by Taxman, the lead section needs a lot of work. 2) I don't know much about sharks, but a little Googling turned up some sites which suggest there's information about that we don't have in our article; [4] in particular has loads of info. — Matt 01:37, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• I have adapted all the remaining information from the link provided by Matt, as well as several other websites - filling up the Anatomy section. I have created a rough lead section. More references. Several other additions to other sections. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 12:06, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Father Damien

(Uncontested -- July 13)

Father Damien - has a picture, and a TOC, and nice prose. RickK 23:51, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Johnleemk | Talk 10:38, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Some minor points that need to be addressed. Jeronimo 11:22, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The external links do not point to anything specifically about Father Damien. Since there are no book references either, there's no good lead given to find out more.
  • A movie was made about his life, but there's no mention of it here.
  • The picture, while so old that it is in the PD, could do with source information.
  • Some of the text seems overly dramatic, e.g. "A surefire death sentence", "sacrificed his life".
  • All my objections have been resolved to my satisfaction; support. Jeronimo 07:16, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• A related point to the overly dramatic text, this article seems to take a very pro-Damien POV. If he's loved by everyone, fine, but there's really no need for things like: "He showed them that despite what the outside world told them, they were worth his own life. He showed them that what was left of their lives was precious. He restored personal pride and dignity." This isn't really a factual statement, strictly; it's just bad prose. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 15:05, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. I added details about the photo of Father Damien and edited the main body of the article to address the pro-Damien POV issue and took out all that dramatization stuff. I also added details about the movie, Moloka'i: The Story of Father Damien. --Gerald Farinas 15:59, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. But it would be nice to have some account of the criticisms that RLS replied to. Markalexander100 03:04, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I added a treatment of the criticisms of the Presbyterian church leaders of Father Damien, as suggested by Markalexander100. --Gerald Farinas 19:49, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support, but some personal details on Damien's life (perhaps before the church) would be welcome. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 14:34, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - the article repeatedly refers to Hawaii as Hawai'i and Molokai as Moloka'i. They are the native language names, but definetely not the common ones. These are distinctly against policy. ("This is an English language encyclopedia, so for most geographical names of large and/or important features (countries, states, continents, oceans, seas, major cities, major rivers and lakes, etc.) the English name is used in preference to any term that is clearly from a language other than English." - Wikipedia:Proper names) →Raul654 07:25, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • While the place names are official under the terms of the 1978 Hawaii State Constitutional Convention, I took →Raul654's concern over the use of the 'okina and removed instances of proper-Hawaiian place names and replaced them with their American translations to satisfy the anti-Hawaiian-language movement that is quite pervasive at Wikipedia (Talk:Hawaii) --Gerald Farinas 14:23, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support now; looks good. Also, Gerald, you should read the Wikipedia:Naming policy poll. →Raul654 14:56, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • I didn't realize there was a poll. Thanks for the link. --Gerald Farinas 15:16, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Che Guevara

(Contested - July 11)

This article has abviously been the subject of some significant argument over time (Talk:Che Guevara), but I do think that it is now a remarkably well-written biography, decently NPOV, and showing the work of numerous authors. (Not self-nom, I've never edited this page) Palnu 01:35, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. jengod 04:35, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Pretty comprehensive. 195.167.169.36 12:03, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Johnleemk | Talk 14:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Object. I think the article is great and has a great use of pictures, but I have some concerns about the non-standard elements of the article. First of all, I don't see why the infobox is used. I thought that was only for taxonomy and the like. Are we planning on using that in all biographies? Also, all of the quotes should be moved to Wikiquote. Promoting this article to FA in this stage would encourage non-standard formatting of other articles. Please correct me if I'm wrong and if any of these elements are standard, in which case I will reverse my vote. I have reversed my vote, but I think that the CheIcon.jpg should be the main picture. It really catches the eye, and, in my opinion, Che is much more relevant as an icon than as an actual historical figure. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 15:32, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)

Che is much more relevant as an icon than as an actual historical figure? Maybe to Americans, but certainly not to Cubans. 172 03:32, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To Wikipedia's audience (the world). - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:04, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

• Object. I agree with DropDeadGorgias on the infobox. Also, the image in that infobox claims the picture is in the public domain because it is of a historic figure, which seems dubious to me. Another picture has no source stated. Jeronimo 16:55, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To clarify, these images are problem areas for me:

Image:Che guevara black and white bust photograph.jpg "When originally uploaded this photograph was listed as being public domain, however I have been unable to corroborate this. However the photo is well-known photo of a historically significant individual, so the case for fair use within Wikipedia is pretty overwhelming." - why?

Image:Felix Ismael Rodriguez.jpg "This image may not have information on its source."

Jeronimo 11:02, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• As this is a non self-nom with mild objections, I've taken it myself to try to resolve these objections (although I don't really know enough about the kid to write about him). The infobox has been removed, with a notice why on the talk page. I have updated one of the images which claimed to be PD but probably wasn't. This image - Image:Felix_Ismael_Rodriguez.jpg continues to lack source information. Could some kind fellow/fellowess figure what to put on that page. The final objection is to do with quotes - the suggestion was to remove them all - this seems wrong - it is standard practice to keep a few quotes. If there are too many, then we can delete from here and add an external link to wikiquote. Unfortunately I cannot judge which are the most significant quotes and are thus worth keeping. Pcb21| Pete 18:13, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Good article. Was actually one of the first Wikipedia articles I ever read, when I was doing a little research, and helped attract me to the Wiki community. Satori 19:13, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Support. Definitely agree about moving quotes to Wikiquote. Sections like "Hero cult" and "Movies and Plays" seem awkward, and could probably stand to be rearranged or combined. And that iconic image could stand to be MUCH more prominent, especially if this makes the Main Page; many people know Che solely from that image, and placing it a little higher up could stand to draw them into the rest of the article. Although I realize that Main Page status is not determined here, if/when this article makes it there I think we should use the iconic image. We can argue about that later, though. - jredmond 19:28, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • As this is not a self-nom it would be *great* if you could fix some of this up as you see fit yourself. THanks! Pcb21| Pete 19:58, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm working on it now, although I may have to switch back to Actual Work™ at any moment. Thanks for the reminder, though. - jredmond 20:18, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • As I nominated it, I figured I could do something vaguely useful. I have reduced the number of quotes to five, based on those that appealed to me rather than any kind of historical significance, and added link to a very comprehensive page at Wikiquote. Palnu 21:56, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Good call on those quotes; I like what's left. I've also combined the "Hero cult" and "Movies and plays" sections into "Che's enduring reputation". Am not sure how to deal with Image:Cheicon.jpg, though — it works so nicely in that section that I'm currently hesitant to move it. With the right caption, though, we could move it higher. - jredmond 22:10, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • Thanks for the clean up guys, tis appreciated. I did a little tinkering with the sources and further reading area, but haven't touched the important bit, the prose. That bit seems to read rather well to this layman. Pcb21| Pete 00:23, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The drawing power of the iconic image isn't enough to justify moving it up the article, IMO. The current arrangement of images, with a conventional portrait at the top, is exactly right for the article. I note there's a separate article about the image, Che Guevara (photo), which already has good depth in its analysis of the imagery and could in time be a featured article itself. 81.168.80.170 22:26, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Even if the iconic image isn't the one toward the top (and it should not be-- the top photo should be a portrait), the iconic image placed in the hero cult section can be the one featured on the main page. BTW, neutral on feature status. 172 23:33, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • • After reviewing a few things and considering my earlier post, I agree with both the anon-user and 172 here - keep the iconic image where it is in the article. If/when we put this up front, though... - jredmond 19:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • That image's copyright information is incorrect. The images page states that it's used by permission, citing a statement by the photographer that he's "not averse to its reproduction by those who wish to propagate his memory and the cause of social justice throughout the world". I don't think that's Wikipedia policy. The photographer has asserted copyright; we don't have permission to use it; and while there may be a fair use argument for using it on Che Guevara (photo), I don't see one for using it here. Markalexander100 07:51, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • Support. I'm sure the artist wouldn't mind using it for an encyclopedia. 10:39, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. The "iconic image" is a copyvio. Markalexander100 00:48, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The image has now been removed. [5] 172 03:27, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Markalexander100 06:47, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Comprehensive and informative article. ato 06:39, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. After the recent rewrite, this is now an outstanding profile of one of the 20th C's most famous cultural icons -- Viajero 07:49, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Niiice article. blankfaze | (беседа!) 10:36, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Uses non-free image, Image:Che guevara black and white bust photograph.jpg and image without source info, Image:Felix Ismael Rodriguez.jpg. anthony (see warning)
  • As it's obvious that fair use is being claimed, IMHO, this objection is a load of bunk. Ambivalenthysteria 09:16, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. 1) It needs the "iconic" image included, presumably under fair use. 2) The lead section could perhaps do with being a little larger, and in particular should mention his iconic status and link to the Chek Guevara (photo) article. 3) Could we also find a category or two to fit him into? — Matt 21:19, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Number 3 is done. Number 2 I would agree with, and I think is a better alternative than including a copyrighted image just because we'd like to use it. A prominent link to an article where the image is fair use is enough. Markalexander100 03:10, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • The article uses other copyrighted images under fair use; why is this one different? To many people, the "iconic" aspect — particularly that image — has the most relevance to them; it would seem an obvious omission to have it on a different page entirely. — Matt 23:54, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • It's on a different page entirely because it's so important. Markalexander100 03:01, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Nikola Tesla

(Contested -- July 9)

very nice article about famous serbian scientist [[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 19:32, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC) 10:56, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support. Detailed and extensive, not leaving anything out I can remember right now (even something about Tesla Coils, but not Tesla Troopers ;-)) Anarion 11:00, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• One concern that springs to mind is that there's been some controversy over the article recently (specifically Tesla's ethnic origin, with lots of groups wanting to grab credit for him) - see the talk page. If the ethnic edit warring is stable for a week, call this support See article box objection below - David Gerard 11:36, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The problem was -Tesla born in Croatia in Serbian family. In that part of Croatia people had very funny and different family names-example-Guzina meaning Bigass. So some people stated that he doesnot have slavic last name. But it is all about one of this region's special characteristics. [[User:Avala|Avala★Talk]] 11:55, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm not expressing an opinion either way - I'm saying that a workable compromise needs to be reached before it can be called stable enough to be a FA - David Gerard 00:23, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• I am with David. If the ethnic edit war can stay calm for a week, support. [[User:DO'Neil|DO'Иeil]] 12:34, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. The box of Tesla related articles should go at the bottom, in the see also section. Furthermore, the see also section needs to be dramatically trimmed. Perhaps some categorization is in order? Snowspinner 17:06, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • nope about that box! it is top box or whatever it is called! it is placed in the top of the article. see also is never organized, if we have that much see also's than that is becuase we need to. This was just because of Armstrong.[[User:Avala|Avala★Talk]] 18:08, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Article series boxes are generally to be avoided, and that see also list is excessive. This has nothing to do with Armstrong, and I would appreciate if you stop accusing me of retalliation. I object to your nominations because they have, for the most part, all needed improvement. Snowspinner 19:31, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
      • I think we are done with the box, We agreed that see also should be smaller and it is smaller. The box is just overview of the long article.[[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 19:36, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • I still think the box is jarring up there, and redundant with Category:Nikola Tesla. This would ordinarily not bother me, but the box is the first thing you see in the article. Snowspinner 19:45, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • I second the article box objection. I tried shuffling that box and the image around before, and now someone's shifted it back except they've caused a collision. It adds nothing and detracts from the article. I dislike article series boxes in general, but this one is particularly obnoxious and clunky and keeps colliding with the picture. Make it considerably less obtrusive or, better yet, lose it altogether - it's redundant with Category:Nikola Tesla If the box stays gone, I'll be happy - David Gerard 00:23, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. --Yath 19:34, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object - overwheling TOC. Also fails to follow manual of style re: picture placement. →Raul654 19:43, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • Objections have been fixed now, although (as the user below says) the see-also section is still too large. →Raul654 08:53, Jul 10, 2004 (UTC)
• Object: "see also" is really overwhelmingly large, and contains some totally spurious links (Government Warehouse?!). Also: "An ongoing lawsuit regarding this was finally resolved in his favor after his death." - whose does "his" refer to? Tesla? -Sean Curtin 09:40, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Neutral. List of articles related to Nikola Tesla is still quite padded. -Sean Curtin 22:10, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support -- JDR 08:37, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC) [scratch this if I can't vote]
• Object - 54 KB makes for a rather long read (not to mention page size warning). Not everybody is interested in going through so much detail (esp for the absurdly long 'middle years' section). I suggest summarizing mention of most of his inventions in this article and move the detailed text to Nikola Tesla's inventions to serve as the body text. Then move the prose from Tesla patents to serve as the lead and overview. Finally move the very long annotated list of patents to List of Tesla patents and link it from the inventions article. --mav 09:23, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • That would be a good slution to the problem of clutter in the article. -Sean Curtin 09:40, 10 Jul 2004
• Object. 1. We need information on certain images, namely: Image:Stesla.jpg, Image:Tesla2.jpg, Image:Serbia100Dinara.jpg, Image:Colorado GeoMag Map.png. 2. Some changes need to be made to the sectional divisions. The "Middle Years" section is rather extensive. Furthermore, the page misuses "quote"—I believe the appropriate word in this context is "quotation." Also, is "Namings" really an appropriate word in this context, or, for that matter, in any context? 3. The navigation box should replace Tesla's image atop the page, and the image sent elsewhere. Navigation boxes belong at the top—they look rather unfortunate in other places. 4. Why is it necessary to indicate in paranthetical format that the Institution of Electrical Engineers is a British body? Similar indications are not made for other bodies. Just the title would suffice. -- Emsworth 02:48, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
  • The series box should not replace the image! For god's sake never push real content down for a navigation box! If anything it should be demoted to a footer or category. --mav 05:10, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Mav is *exactly* right and I believe the MoS backs him up on this. →Raul654 05:20, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
    • The category does in fact exactly replace the article series box, but the Tesla fans appear to be in love with the article box regardless The box appears gone again. Support if it stays that way - David Gerard 13:00, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Neutral if box and see also section are as in the version at July 11, 2004 at 15:33 UTC by Snowspinner. Oppose otherwise. Snowspinner 15:36, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
• Support -- I could stand removing the box if that is prerequisite for having this article featured. But I really don't understand why are you people against it, or boxes in particular. What is wrong with the box in, say, this revision? The box is under picture of Tesla, has same width as the picture, even happened to have same height as the TOC. It doesn't eat up any article space (as it is right of the TOC where there is no text), isn't the first thing that people see, and offers useful overview of the most important Tesla-related articles (Tesla's category would likely have more articles than the box). It could be made nice pink to match TOC and image border if that is what bothers you. Nikola 05:29, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Overwikified (only wikify a term once or twice in an article, not each time), persistently if politely POV, and oddly narrated with numerous gaps in grammar and continuity. The article should cover each theme of his life in a coherent paragraph; a single paragraph should not switch from discussions of his financial state to discussions of the state of a legal battle to a note about where he moved that year and what notes he was taking at that time. Needs deep work by someone who cares about the subject and has time to copyedit the entire text for continuity and flow. +sj+ 22:50, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. 1) Some sections and subsections are only one paragraph long; these should be merged into longer sections. 2) The quotes section should be removed; the WikiQuote entry suffices. 3) I suspect the "External links" section is too long: Wikipedia is not a link repository and I suspect that many (e.g. the H2G2 entry) are not necessary. — Matt 14:57, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Book of Kells

(Contested -- July 8)

Self-nomination Dsmdgold 23:38, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Support, but I'd like a sentence in the opening explaining why it's a particularly cool Bible. Snowspinner 00:26, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • Have added sentence to opening stating the importance of the book. Dsmdgold
    • Beautiful. Support strongly. Snowspinner 19:35, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
• Neutral, would like more history, the names of individuals involved with its discovery, restoration, reproduction -- as far back as such names are known. Beautiful images and subject. +sj+ 01:04, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Covers as much of the known history as might be considered uncontested and useful. Good work Dsmdgold. Bmills 09:47, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Nice work. blankfaze | (беседа!) 21:54, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Neutral - great work! Concise, informative and lively. I'll change to my vote to support if this one minor gripe is fixed: Bibliography is used in a non-Wikipedia standard way. Is that supposed to be a references list or a further reading list? Please specify. --mav 09:33, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Changed this to Further reading. Bmills 10:15, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. Great work, and will support this, but not until my objections, listed below, have been addressed. Jeronimo 10:41, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • The lead section reads: "(...) is considered by many scholars to be one of the most important works in the history of art." This is rather vague. Why was it so important? What was its influence on other artists/writers, both at the time of writing, and later? Where any previously unused techniques adapted in producing the work?
    • It is so important mainly because it's so beautiful. Look at just about any art history text that covers the middle ages and it will cover the Book of Kells. Hell, if someone does a survey and picks just one piece of art to represent the middle ages, it stands a good chance of being Kells. (This despite the fact that Kells doesn't actually look like most medieval art.). I have modofied the offending sentance to indicate that Kells is valued for its "technical brillance and great beauty) Dsmdgold
  • The first paragraph of the history section is a bit vague. I understand little is known about the book's early history, but that's the reason I would like some more specifics. Examples:
    • "this tradition is false based on paleographic grounds" -- On what grounds exactly?
    • "he book likely began in a monastery on the island of Iona" -- Why do scholars think that? Is there any evidence to support that? Or this is link only made because St. Columba (traditionally linked with the book) built a monastery there? Please elaborate.
• support - David Gerard 21:01, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. 1) The image in the lead section is somewhat poor compared to the later ones; could it be replaced (I'd move one of the later images up, but they are illustrating points in the text)? 2) Would it be worthwhile including a page containing predominantly text, to balance the more decorated pages? 3) "Kells has been called the oldest surviving fully illuminated manuscript." — can we improve this sentence? Is it indeed the oldest? If it is disputed, what rivals it, and who advocates what theory? 4) "some decorations can only be fully appreciated with magnifying glasses, although glasses of the required power were not available until hundreds of years after the book's completion." — just checking; is this really the case? This seems quite extraordinary; some discussion would be worthwile on how can such intricate artwork could have been created, and why, if it could not have been appreciated at the time. 5) In fact, more generally, could we have a mention of what techniques were used to create the manuscript? — Matt 19:04, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Louis Armstrong

(Contested -- July 8)

I was going to add the picture to Jazz (And still might), but it's so good that it deserves to go on the front page twice. And the article's good too. :) Snowspinner 06:11, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)

• Object-comparing to other featured biogarphies-this one needs work! Avala 09:16, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC) btw why do you delete my comments?
  • Stop making personal attacks (In any language) and I'll stop deleting them. Snowspinner 14:29, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • On what grounds? Ambivalenthysteria 09:51, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Avala, please read the top of the page. You have to explain your reasons for objecting, and they have to be actionable. →Raul654 11:23, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
      • ok ok I said it don`t be histerical :) Avala 13:15, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support. Excellent article. Ambivalenthysteria 09:51, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Object. This is an excellent article, and I think it deserves to become featured, but I have a few objections. The most important one is that 1) The image is copyrighted, and the reason for fair use is unclear. The other two are small objections: 2) No books are listed as a reference. There's mention of an autobiography in the quotes section; this should certainly be mentioned, but I'm sure there are many more books that could be mentioned for such a famous person. 3) The legacy section contains three paragraphs starting with "As". This looks a bit ugly, but I'll fix this myself when I have time today. Jeronimo 10:13, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I've tracked down the copyright holder of the image and correctly updated the image information and the caption. Since it is from a book of photos, which is our dicey middle ground on copyright, I e-mailed the copyright holder to double check for permission. Book info is being added as I type, and will be in in about five minutes. That should be your objections settled. :) Snowspinner 17:32, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • OK, I looked more - this is definitely fair use. Gottlieb, the copyright holder, has made it available through the LOC digital archive. He holds the copyright still, but this is clearly a non-commercial fair use. I've still e-mailed, and when I get a response I'll post that to the image page, but I'm sure we're fine. Snowspinner 18:09, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
    • Great, I'll remove that part of my objection in anticipation of that confirmation. Jeronimo 18:13, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I fixed the other two objections as well. Snowspinner 19:17, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
    • Support. Jeronimo 20:26, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Support, because it is a fine profile of one the 20th century's most famous cultural icons, but with one small question mark: Should the the fact that an airport and a tennis court were named after him be included under "Legacy"? If this information is to be included, which personally I could do without, shouldn't it be listed elsewhere? -- Viajero 18:18, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Neutral. Object. 1) Too obviously written by a fan and needs toning down for NPOV, particularly in the "Legacy" section, but also elsewhere: "The influence of Armstrong on the development of jazz is virtually immeasurable...irrepressible personality... virtuoso trumpet player, Armstrong had a unique tone and an extraordinary talent...masterful accompanist and ensemble player in addition to his extraordinary skills as a soloist. With his innovations, he raised the bar musically for all who came after him...Armstrong is considered to have essentially invented jazz singing...great dexterity as an improviser...greatly skilled...represent one of the greatest achievements of humanity." and so on. 2) There's little mention of any criticisms of him in the article (except the "King of The Zulus" paragraph), which is fine if noone has ever had any criticisms, but that seems unlikely for someone so prominent. 3) The article mentions his film career only in passing ("he...appeared in over thirty films."); I realise that he's not really remembered for this work, but thirty films is significant enough to warrant a paragraph: what types of role did he take: acting, or performing? Any notable performances? — Matt 19:56, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I don't think your desire for criticism is actionable in its current form. That is to say, I don't know of any criticism of Armstrong, but it's impossible to "prove" this to be the case. If you know of criticism you would like added, I'd be happy to, but barring that, there's not a lot I can do. I can't really add information based only on speculation that it might exist. As for the NPOV... I respectfully disagree. I know of no one who seriously argues against Armstrong's influence, talent, or popularity. Part of the articles strength, I think, is it's lively language. NPOV is not a command for flat prose. Snowspinner 20:14, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm not objecting to a lively style, but I think this article veers, in places, too far towards "gushing" language: streams of praise and superlatives. It's entirely acceptable to go into detail as to why Louis Armstrong is such a giant in Jazz, but I think it has to be done carefully. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts, though.— Matt 23:02, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • As to criticisms, I did some digging on the web, and came up with a few. Most relate to accusations of being an "Uncle Tom", also mentioned in the edit pointed out by Viajero below, so I think some more extended discussion about that would be appropriate. I found things like "[Sammy] Davis [Jr] criticized Armstrong ... saying "You cannot voice an opinion about a situation which is basically discrimination, integration, etc. and then go out and appear before segregated audiences ... which Louis Armstrong had done for many years." Davis went on to criticize Armstrong for singing a song using the word darkies. It must be added that Davis was quoted as saying, quite condescendingly: "Louis Armstrong has always been regarded--let me be as kind as I possibly can; I think Louis Armstrong first of all is a great talent--great, as much as I hate the wordage, a great credit to his race, but he has also been regarded by his race as a man who . . . well . . ."" [6] and "Armstrong was criticized from certain quarters throughout his career for “playing the clown” onstage, i.e., for performing a minstrel act." [7]. — Matt 23:02, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Musically, there seemed to have been some criticism too: " Armstrong's retreat into traditional New Orleans music during the latter part of his career embittered fans and musicians who had once praised his dazzling contributions. He churned out endless versions of "Basin Street Blues," "Do You Know What It Means to Miss New Orleans," and "St. Louis Blues," often employing players who weren't even close to being equals. Armstrong viewed himself as a popular entertainer; he mugged and clowned relentlessly in live performance, to the point that he embarrassed ultra-serious or militant jazz types. Unlike Charles Mingus or Max Roach, who didn't hesitate to speak out against racist injustices, Armstrong seldom made public political comments." [8] — Matt 23:02, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I've added a few lines here and there to the effect described. Hopefully this satisfies objections? Snowspinner 00:07, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
        • You've added "For the most part, however, his later output was criticized as being overly simplistic or repetitive.". — Matt 00:17, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
          • Ack! I didn't notice that one of my two edits hadn't submitted. I added a paragrah to "Life" as well. It should actually be there now. Snowspinner 00:20, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
            • Ah, thought it was a little strange! Thanks, that certainly helps. I'll mull the "style/tone" thing over a bit, and hopefully have other people's comments. (I've also added a query about his film career). I think this is quite a respectable article, by the way, it's just good to beat on it a bit to make it as good as possible! — Matt 00:50, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
              • Movies are fixed. Snowspinner 01:12, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
    • FWIW: Up until about ten days ago, there was a section called something like "Was Armstrong an Uncle Tom" which had various criticisms, but it was rmoved by user Stevertigo: [9]. Perhaps, Matt, you would like to review that edit and see if there is anything worth restoring. Otherwise, I agree with Snowspinner. -- Viajero 20:38, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: Had no notice of Featured article candidate status until I added one today. -- Infrogmation 20:49, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Have the problem with this article been resolved? →Raul654 22:15, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
  • I've struck my objection; I'm still a little worried about the tone, but it seems more balanced than before. — Matt 23:49, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Pictures

The first list is featured articles that do not have a picture and hence would be problematic to put on the main page. Please add pictures and then move to the second list. GFDL or PD preferred — avoid fair use images where possible (they may not be fair use on the main page).

Tangentially connected pictures may also be suitable for the main page, even if they wouldn't sit well with the article itself. Use your common sense.

Articles missing pictures

• Anno Domini
• Application programming interface
• Computational complexity theory
• Computer security
• Donegal fiddle tradition
• Gram Parsons
• Greek mythology
• Have I Got News For You
• History of the English penny
• Illegal prime
• Indus Valley Civilization
• Lollapalooza
• Milgram experiment
• Negligence
• Not the Nine O'Clock News
• Palm Sunday Tornado Outbreak (image of too-low quality)
• Pattern welding
• Peer review
• Quantum mechanics
• Social history of the piano
• Vacuous truth
• Spamming (Can of spam is trademark violation)

These now have pictures

• Ackermann function - use pic of equation
• Adoption in Rome - done by a anon user Muriel G 11:08, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• ASCII (a lame one)
• Christianity
• C programming language
• Copyright
• Damascus steel
• Economics
• Éire
• Free will
• Freemasonry
• Irish poetry
• Irish theatre
• Japan general election, 2003
• Java programming language
• Jazz (still needs free image)
• Jim Henson (still needs free image)
• Korean name - use Image:Hangul_seong.png
• Madonna (singer) (still needs free image)
• Markup language (well, sort-of; suitable for main page? James F. (talk) 15:02, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)) (don't see why not Lupin 00:37, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC))
• Menstrual cycle
• Mitochondrial Eve
• Peloponnesian War
• Portuguese language
• Quantum computer
• Radar
• Race - use tangentially connected picture Image:MLKJR.jpg - was removed again - Added composite image from FBI mugshots. -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:39, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Road transport
• Roy Orbison
• Schizophrenia
• Search engine
• Split infinitive
• Telephone exchange
• Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius
• Tuberculosis
• Vampire
• World Wide Web
• Charles Ives
• Algorithm
• Action potential
• Crime fiction
• Franks (image of too-low quality) - Added image of charlemagne
• Hebrew calendar