Wikipedia talk:Historical archive/Substub

I created this type of stub because I saw a reference to it on Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub and thought that it needed to become official. Mike Storm 02:36, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

These should just be deleted. All the examples on the page (from a quick glance) fall under speedy deletion reason #4. Of course expanding anything into an article is good, if something is so poor that it requires being labeled as a substub instead of a stub, just put {{delete}} at the top. Maximus Rex 04:52, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

We're not really in the business of trying to delete what can become articles - it's better to start on the process of improving them while using them as Google-bait. For patent nonesense and vandalism I changed the deletion link to speedy deletions, because that's what they qualify for. Jamesday 13:13, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

For possible copyvios I suggested a rewrite rather than a copyvio report. The definition of substub implies that the text is going to be so short that it's very likely to be so generic that it's uncopyrightable (lack of originality). Better a quick rewrite than the overhead of a possible copyvio listing when it's probably not a copyvio. Of course, this will sometimes not apply - sometimes there can be something really short which is creative rather than generic. But in this category, that seems unlikely to happen much. I suggested a SUBSTUB at the start of the edit comment so RC watchers can quickly pounce and expand these to stubs if that's possible. Jamesday 13:13, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Actually, none of those examples fall under speedy deletion reason #4. Quote from speedy deletion reason #4:

"Very short pages with little or no definition or context (e.g., "He is a funny man that has created Factory and the Hacienda. And, by the way, his wife is great.")".

That falls under the category of patent nonsense. While substubs are indeed very short pages, very few of them are patent nonsense. Even though Example #2 on the Wikipedia:substub page features a strange and inaccurate definition, it is not just patent nonsense, and can be easily corrected and expanded upon. Let me reiterate: Speedy deletion reason #4 only applies to patent nonsense. -- Mike Storm 16:00, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)