Talk:Liberalism and progressivism within Islam

There is no Liberal Islam.

Why do you come up with a new term as if it is a new religion? Why don't you say "I am a Muslim but this is the way I want to live my life?" What's wrong with this?

There is one religion and you are trying to fit it into your lives. It is the other way around, guys!! We change ourselves to be a better Muslim.

Whether s/he interprets the religion this or that, a true Muslim would easily see this as a fitnah! You are responsible to use your God-given mind and intelligence responsibly.

The above written by 156.56.101.139. (DJ Clayworth 18:18, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC))

Editing to try to fix this wrong impression: this article should probably be merged with Modern Islamic philosophy. Also linked fitnah in the comment above. -- Karada 18:47, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I did not come up with a new term as if it is a new religion. It ISN'T a new religion. I just use it to differentiate it from the mainstream Islam (which I would assume you're a follower of). Did you know that people are supposed to think, the majority of Muslims are prevented from that, because they did not study the religion or the Arabic language. In a sense, they are trying to organize a religion that has inorganization in its source. Abraham left Mesoptamia because he wanted to get away from organized religion. And here we are, trying to organize it into something that is defined by certain and definite boundaries. My notes to you are: A biased muslim would see as a fitnah, but a thinking muslim would find this to be possibly right and a possible way of interpreting Islam. A fundamental verse in the Koran itself describes the religion as "simple for the people and not a complication." (Personal interpretation) And here you are trying to complicate it! And yes, I am responsible to use my God-given mind and intelligence responsibly: I am using it to make muslims think for themselves and not go to Mullahs or Imams or Fuqaha's or Ulemas. Yes, I am a strict believer in ijtihad and not taqlid (which is imitation or tradition). Did you know, when one of the prophecies of the day of Judgement, is when you approach old men they say "We say "La Ilaha ila Allah" (There is no deity but God), because we used to hear our fathers say them, but we don't understand what they mean." That's because people imitate blindly, without thinking. Well, here it is, the future is on your hands now. If you want your children to say that statement, then it is you to blame. I have done my work by trying to make people think for themselves. I bid you a happy and potentially intellectual and interesting life. Oh, and Liberal Islam does exist. It's the Islam that doesn't enforce itself on people and tolerates differences and doesn't prevent people from enjoying themselves just because what they are doing is untraditional. You can find it in many places around the world. Although, we, as liberal Muslims or Ijtihadists are a minority. We still exist, and there's no denying that! I don't think it would be a good idea to merge it into Modern Islamic Philosophy, no matter how much this may cause criticism among people. PS I do hope you keep your mind open to people who are different, there is nothing wrong with difference. --Agari 07:48, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)

الإسلام الإجتهادية

Can anyone provide a transliteration and translation of الإسلام الإجتهادية, please? -- Karada 16:30, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

should remain separate article

Modern Islamic Philosophy contains both conservative and liberal POV. However, Muslim liberalism does exist as a fairly coherent set of ideas, just as 'Islamism'; so by my thinking, they should both have their own articles.