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Factory outlet stores in Maine

Does anyone know anything about the history of how Kittery, Maine and Freeport, Maine got so many factory outlet stores? -- Beland 07:43, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I know nothing about those specific locations but it seems quite common for businesses in the same trade to group together. It is mutually beneficial provided there is enough distinction between different outlets that they do not lose out in a competitive war with each other. I live in London and the Charing Cross Road is famous for its bookshops, Tottenham Court Road is packed with various electrical stores, Soho is populated with pornography retailers and sex shops as well as various media production companies.
As for how such things are seeded, it may be that you have those clusters of factory outlet stores because of some kind of tax break available to particular types of business. Special tax arrangments have been used in the UK to encourage, for example, Japanese car manufacturers to set up factories in particular areas to kick start the local economy.
Whether any of the above apply to your specific cases I don't know. --bodnotbod 12:15, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
I agree with you general points and unfortunately can't provide a specific answer about Maine either. However your comments about "clustering" reminds me of a little project that might turn into an curious little article - List of luxury good retailer locations or something:
It is perhaps not widely known that there are only about two or three luxury goods companies, each with dozens of exclusive brands that apparently compete with each other. These two or three companies buy a street which then becomes an "exclusive" location. It would be fun (for me anyway) to list these and what shops they have:
Sloane Street, London : Prada, Armani, Fendi, Gucci, Harvey Nichols, Louis Vuitton, Cartier, Versace, Hermes, Bvlgari (and others that I can't remember of the top of my head)
Rodeo Drive, Los Angeles : Tiffany (210), Cartier (220 and 370), Pierre Deux (222), Jose Eber (224), Christian Dior (230), Valentino (240),Van Cleef & Arpels (300), Louis Vuitton (307), Hammacher Schlemmer (309), David Orgell (320), Georgio (327), Ferragamo (357), Cafe Rodeo (360), Harry Winston (371), Chanel (400), Fred (401), Vidal Sassoon (405), Bijan (420 & 431), Hermes (434), Armani (436), Gianni Versace (437), Gucci (443), Polo/Ralph Lauren (444) and The Tommy Hilfiger Store (468)
Fifth Avenue, New York : ?
Place Vendome and Triangle d'Or, Paris: Same as above
PC Hooftstraat, Amsterdam: Seemed to have the same as above
??? more... for an article?
Pcb21| Pete 13:33, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Funny this should be raised. I considered mentioning Bond Street (also London) when I made my initial post. Plenty of high priced goods down there. --bodnotbod 12:27, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
I eventually persuaded myself to write luxury good. Pcb21| Pete 20:44, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Why do some birds only hop?

Hi, I'd like to know why it is that big and medium-sized birds can walk, but small birds seem to just hop. Is it because of the way their legs are? Thanks... Â??Joy 10:07, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Maybe claws are hard to walk on? Webbed feets are probably very comfortable shoes. I cannot picture a swallow walking though. It's a scary freaky image for some reason. --Menchi 10:15, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've noticed that small hopping birds and large birds have different legs. Small hopping birds have knees that fold in the opposite direction from the knees of larger birds or those of humans. I don't know why they would have different knees; for that I guess you'd need to look to evolutionary biology to find out what advantage is conferred by the knees or the hopping. But I think there must be some relationship. I hope this helps at least a little. -- Dominus 15:44, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This article has a few answers. -- Picapica 20:22, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC) (generally a walker, though I do the odd sideways hop)
I imagine that if you've got backward facing knees it's easier to fly forwards and then land, gracefully, on a twig, because you're leading with your feet and when you touch down you've got a nice kind of suspension effect of the folded tension beneath you. Picture it the other way around. Your knees are in front of your feet, you hit the twig and your knees have got an irritating forward momentum carrying you over the twig so that you end up spinning around it like a gymnast on asymetric bars.
If I'm right in thinking that birds with forward facing knees tend not to be the same birds that land on twigs (cranes and flamingos etc) then perhaps I'm onto something. --bodnotbod 12:22, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

All birds have forward facing knees like us, but they are normally not very visible - what is being describe as the knee is actually the ankle, at the end of the tibia. Next time you carve a chicken, check it out. jimfbleak 17:32, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Damn. I was so happy with my tinpot, bird-ignorant theory too. --bodnotbod 02:13, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

I have heard that the legs of birds sitting on twigs are constructed so that they automatically pull the toes together when the bird sits down, this way they need less muscle power to stay on that branch. That may be one reason why walking (which needs bent knees) is difficult for them. -- Chris 73 | Talk 12:49, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It is incorrect to assume that large birds walk and small birds hop. Small beach finches (we call them wave-runners) run at very high speed. You can barely tell that they have legs. An identical bird found in Bermuda always hops. Both live on the beach, eat the same food, and are the same size. Perhaps it is cultural. Bermuda is a rocky volcanic peak and the Atlantic shore here is wide and flat. It is easier to hop on rocks, but easier to run on a wide flat beach. ps: Jimfbleack was absolutely correct in stating that all birds have forward facing knees. The 'backwards' knee is the ankle and the 'foot' is merely their toes. Try walking on your toes only and you can see how your ankles become 'backwards knees'. Kainaw 15:20, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Name

I'm interested, how You call that microbiological device and if I can find a page in English Wikipedia about this tool. A drawing & definition (but only in Polish) are here Sorry 4 me English. Reytan 17:49, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's an inoculating loop (As you can see we don't have an article on it yet, but there is a diagram of one being used on agar plate). theresa knott 18:09, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Thank You very much. Greetings from Czestochowa! Reytan 19:14, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

older federal elections results

anyone know where i can find (online) elections results for the u.s. house and senate from as far back as the 60s? or i guess ideally, since senators were elected by popular vote? more specifically, who didn't win...Thepedestrian 19:26, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)

Why indigo

why is indigo specifically chosen as a color in the rainbow. There are others shades like it. Why was indigo chosen .

Thank you

The story I heard was this: Isaac Newton, on writing Optics, saw that there were six colours (ROYGB & purple). But Isaac was very religious (and rather supersitious) and if you'll recall "6" is reputedly the number of the devil, while "7" is the number of God. So Isaac couldn't believe the perfect order of the universe would have any 6s in it, and so split purple into indigo and violet. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:55, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This story is, BTW, also mentioned in our article on indigo. Simon A. 10:32, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's totally arbitrary, as are the concept of 'colours' as 'pieces' of the spectrum. Mark Richards 21:55, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Colors are not arbitrary: they arise from the physiology and neurology of color vision]. Gdr 08:30, 2004 Jul 23 (UTC)
There are also cultural perceptions of what a colour is. In the Welsh language the same word is used to describe the colour of the sky and of grass. In English, have you not heard of "blue grass country"? -- Arwel 09:57, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In this context, it might be interesting to note that their seems to be a hierarchy of colour names: languages with only one named colour have this name for red, those with two seem to add green etc. (I forgot the details, but it it mentioned in Steven Pinker's great book The Language Instinct.) Simon A. 10:33, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Well, in the Welsh case we have a perfectly good word for "green", we just don't use it to describe grass! -- Arwel 12:21, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
If you look at the colors of the spectrum, you'll see that green falls in the middle. Because it was important for the major color denominations to fall at the same regular intervals as the colors of the spectrum, scientists measured an interval between the blue and purple colors and named it the official color indigo. —Gelu Ignisque

This article suggests that indigo was a fashionable, and perhaps even politically charged, commodity at the time Newton wrote his Opticks. The British and Dutch East India companies had just defeated a European trading embargo against indigo, which competed against European woad. Newton was looking for two new colours to expand his spectrum from the five colours he originally saw to the seven he needed to make his "musical colour wheel" correspond with the seven notes of the diatonic scale. (This web page implies that Newton was a synaesthete, although it gives no further evidence.) Orange, the second new colour that Newton came up with, may also have been chosen for political rather than technical reasons. Apparently Newton was not above bending the truth to support his own POV! -- Heron 09:26, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

GDR - you're right - there is some physiology and neurology in it, but what I meant is that different cultures cut the fine definitions of the spectrum in different places, relatively arbitrarily. Mark Richards 16:59, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Exact Player Positions Euro Championship 1992

Can you tell me the exact positions for the following German Players, Brehme, Helmer and Frontzeck.The game was against the Netherlands Euro championship 1992. I know all three were defenders-but where exactly ie Right fullback/Left fullback,sweeper etc.Hope you can help.Raymond.

you might try asking this at http://www.fussballergebnisse.de/dsfs/index.htm. Mintguy (T) 20:26, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

How many contributors to wikipedia?

The 'about' page says that there are more than 310,000 wikipedia entries. How many contributors created the collection?

It's hard to say exactly, there are lists of accounts, and lists of edits, but it is difficult to say how many of those accounts actually contributed meaningfully to the articles. Mark Richards 17:54, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yes, it seems tricky (at least to me) to express the concept of a "meaningful contribution" in terms that a script could use to count. It's probably intractably hard to say how many of those accounts represent unique contributers (see Sock puppet). — Matt 00:22, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
As of this writing, there are 87,828 registered accounts on the english wikipedia. →Raul654 04:30, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)
And there are an undetermined number of anonymous contributors, some of whom contribute only once and/or make a tiny change, and some who make many edits--but it's hard to say how many of them are unique. For example, I've been Englishizing the work of what I believe is a single non-English-speaking user working on Croatia-related articles for months, and every day that the person logs on, they have a different IP address. And this person has contributed a lot, but it's only one person. Elf | Talk 20:05, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Is it normal for a car radiator to slowly lose water?

I own a Cadillac Catera (1998). Recently its radiator started losing a lot of water: I'd fill it up one morning, drive it around, and in the evening the radiator "idiot light" would become lit on the dashboard: the radiator was dangerously out of water. After a few days of this, the car was placed in an auto shop where they discovered that the radiator was cracked and needed to be replaced.

The day after it was replaced and the car returned to me, I filled up the radiator, drove it on the freeway, and returned. In the evening there was a puddle underneath the car (arguably from rain, my father says) and the radiator had less water than it had in the morning. Not significantly less, but less nevertheless. My father says that it's normal for a car to lose radiator fluid during summer days especially if I run the air conditioner. He says that every car does it and should be simply refilled when the fluid gets low. However, my dad is far from an auto mechanic—he still pumps the accelerator whenever he starts the car while even I know that this practice has become obsolete with fuel injection.

How true is his point of view on simply refilling the radiator? The Wikipedia entry on radiators does not mention any leaking or loss of fluid. Further, exactly what would cause it to lose fluid? As I understand it, the fluid simply cycles through pipes, cooling the engine, then returns to the radiator. Please, tell me what you think of this whole situation. Thank you. --Cluster

It sounds to me as though you still have issues. All radiators will lose water in the course of their function, but you should not notice this in a day, I would take it back to the mechanic and ask them to look at it again. Mark Richards 17:47, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Exactly how much did it loose in one day (you should be able to find this out by measuring how much you add to bring it up to the 'full' level)? Mark Richards 18:07, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Barring the inevitable (hopefully gradual) leaks, the cooling system on your car is supposed to be a closed cycle, so it really shouldn't be losing water (in practice, hoses and seals are imperfect, so you'd expect to lose some, but a modern car should be able to go months without needing a top up). Assuming the mechanic tested the system at pressure after replacing the radiator, then the hoses and seals etc are okay. One thing that might, however, be complicating your measurement is the overflow tank - when the main coolant pressure rises too high, the release valve (in the cap) opens and squirts some fluid into an overflow tank, thus reducing the main coolant pressure back to a level that isn't going to make the hoses pop off. In olden times this overflow was just vented away, and so you'd frequently have to make up the loss with a topup. But modern cars have an overflow tank, which catches the overflow. After you switch off, the radiator cools and pressure in the main cooling system falls below atmospheric pressure. This makes a little pressure valve open, which sucks the overflow water back into the main cooling system, restoring things to the way they were at the beginning. This will not happen, however, if Curious George (i.e. you) opens the radiator cap before the overflow has been drained (i.e. if you waited until the radiator was cold enough to be safe, but not yet back to the ambient temperature, which would take at least an hour) then Curious George has restored the negative pressure in the cooling system by adding atmospheric air. In that circumstance there's unrecovered water in the overflow tank, and it looks like the cooling system has lost water. Doh! Drain the overflow tank (which may involve syphoning - never use your mouth to suck coolant, use a syringe) and top up the radiator.

I can't really see why running the A/C should make the cooling system lose water (other than the extra strain running the A/C compressor exacerbating whatever pressure-related malaise from which a car already suffers). You will often see water dripping from the A/C unit, but that's environmental humitity condensing on the outside of the cold A/C system (you'll see more of that if you live in a hot wet place like Mississippi or Thailand than you would in a hot dry place like Arizona or Saudi), and a modern car should have the cold pipes insulated to minimise this. Also remember that water drips from the exhaust, but that's made by burning hydrocarbons (i.e gasoline). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:11, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

German Rock band from the 70's

Hi I can imagine how busy you are but I wonder if you could point me in the right direction. In 1976 I worked for London Records in Calgary, Alberta ,Canada. They were distributing a number of artists including 10cc (polygram records) and a German rock band that was amazing. Of course since I remember very little of that decade, I can't remember the album name or the artist. Is there some archive you could send me to in order to find this group.I Know this must seem crazy to you but I assure you , to me it is of great importance.I would appreciate any help you could give me.

Thank You so much..........Marilyn Berg

The only German rock band of the 1970s I can think of (off the top of my head) would be The Scorpions. But I don't know if you could call them "amazing". Certainly amazing, but not really within any reasonable definition of "rock" is Kraftwerk. Yeah, you probably mean The Scorpions, but buy a Kraftwerk CD instead. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 03:05, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Or maybe it's The Scorpions' fellow travellers on the grim path of widdle-diddle teutonic hairmetal, UFO (band). Urgh. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 03:09, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Krautrock | chocolateboy 16:07, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Homer

I want to know the timeframe of when the Iliad and Odyssey were in relation to Greece and what was the period called Do you have any known articles about this

Homer's poems about life in Greece around the time the poems were composed / MAINLY REFLECTING TENTH-CENTURY CONDITIONS OR PERHAPS EIGHTH CENTURY CONDITIONS ?

You can look at Homer and Iliad and Odyssey. The Homeric Hymns were probably not by Homer. See here for a discussion of the problem of dating: 750 BC or so is one guess. - Nunh-huh 04:27, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Gowl

This term is used by conjunctivitis and nowhere else on the internet. Is this a real term? If so, how is gowl produced, and from which parts of the eye is it discharged? --Eequor 09:42, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Some data points:
chocolateboy 19:29, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

bad hair days.

hi. my names leon and have just moved to russia after staying in egypt fore 8 months. am originaly from the uk, and bought with me on my travels, a hair care product called(DAX WAX- DAX WAVE AND GROOM). its made by the imperial dax componey in the usa. i have, since arriving in russia, depleated my supply, and need more. CAN YOU TELL ME WERE I CAN FIND THIS PRODUCT IN RUSSIA PLEASE? i did see it in egypt at the metro supermarket but it was the wronge dax, i need the dax in the red tin and they only had it in the blue tin. diferent kind of strength,you see? if you can help you would be saving a life. thanks.

Why not buy it online. In one quick google search, I found a long list of online stores selling the red tin. Kainaw 15:31, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Date of Russian Alexander II's death?

Was it on March 1, as it states in the article on the Russian Revolution of 1905, or was it on March 13, as it states in the Alexander II of Russia article? I'd like to be able to fix up these articles and add it to either of date pages, under the Deaths section - Ta bu shi da yu 13:01, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Both. March 1, Julian calendar, March 13 Gregorian calendar. See here for example. -- Arwel 13:11, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
He's already listed under "events" and "deaths" for March 13, by the way. Arwel
Cool. What do you think about adding his Julian death year to March 1? - Ta bu shi da yu 13:50, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
That sounds rather like overkill to me (sorry! :) ). Since he's already listed on the 13th I don't see the need to duplicate it. Logically, I'd favour having him on the 1st and not the 13th, since that was the date in Russia at the time -- but I can see the sense in converting it to the modern date too (but I doubt that the dates of many earlier Tsars since the introduction of the Gregorian calendar have been converted!). -- Arwel 14:07, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I see no problem having it on only one (or for that matter on both) page, but we should make it clear which dating system we are using where there's any room for reasonable doubt. - Nunh-huh 01:34, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Larry Potter book publication year

I asked this question in Talk:Nancy Stouffer but got no responses. Any idea which year the book Larry Potter and His Best Friend Lilly by Nancy Stouffer was written/published ? Apparently she claimed J.K. Rowling used a similar sounding name for her star character. Jay 18:16, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

A few minutes in google [1] dug up this [2] where the year 1984 is mentioned. --ssd 20:16, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
hmmm.. there is some contradiction here. The website talks about The Legend of Rah and the Muggles (1984) and not Larry Potter and His Best Friend Lilly. The Nancy Stouffer article says the Larry Potter character didn't appear in the The Legend of Rah and the Muggles book. One of the websites is blatantly wrong. Jay 23:04, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Stouffer's site has an offer posted of "$100 for 1st edition Larry Potter books" - exceedingly weird that the author would not have any copies of her own book. (I have nothing to add to the conversation, I just found that odd). -- Wapcaplet 22:44, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Origin of Anointing With Oil

I was studying in 1 Samuel chapter 16, where Samuel anoints David with oil, and wondered where this practice originated. I understand it was a setting apart of David to be the next king of Israel.

My question is; Where/how did practice originate?

1Sa 16:3 And call Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show thee what you shall do: and you shall anoint unto me [him] whom I name unto thee. 1Sa 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

Exd 30:23-25 Take thou Also take for yourself quality spices, of pure myrrh five hundred [shekels], and of sweet cinnamon half so much, [even] two hundred and fifty [shekels], and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty [shekels], And of cassia five hundred [shekels], after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And you shall make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be a holy anointing oil.

Anointing has some info, also check Anointing with oil and Anointing of the Sick -- Chris 73 | Talk 02:53, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Shooting from the hip, so this comment is probably misleading, but it might move the discussion along — I recall that one of the early stages of Roman bathing is to rub yourself all over with oil (or have a slave do it), then scrape off the oil and accumulated dirt with a strigil. In which case, I can see how anointing with oil could be associated with cleanliness and by extension would be good for the sick. -- Solipsist 10:31, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Trust metrics

What are trust metrics and how are they used? --Eequor 06:16, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Trust metric algorithms adopt a scalable and resilient approach to the assignment of credit (such as privileges or rank) to nodes in a network.
Examples include Advogato's trust metric and Google's PageRank.
chocolateboy 13:30, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

three pin plugs

What kind of three pin plug? Mains power plug lists several. UK three pin plugs (type G) were discussed here not so long ago [3]. Gdr 09:26, 2004 Jul 26 (UTC)

United Kingdom Name

What year was the United Kingdom called United Kingdom? Thank You!

The term united kingdom was first used in the 1707 Act of Union. However it is generally seen as a descriptive term, indicating that the kingdoms were freely united rather than through conquest. It is not seen as being actual name of the new united kingdom, which was the Kingdom of Great Britain. The United Kingdom as a name is taken to refer to the kingdom that emerged when the Kingdom of Great Britain and Kingdom of Ireland merged on 1 January 1801. From History of the United Kingdom. Mark Richards 21:50, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What's that song?

Da da da da da, free my soul - I wanna get lost in your rock and roll, and drift away....

Arghhh. Help Intrigue 23:54, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Google is the best cure for lyric induced pain: [4] --bodnotbod 01:26, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
Drift away, by Dobie Gray. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 02:09, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)

Malcolm in the Middle

Our page on Malcolm in the Middle says there are 5 children, and Malcolm is third oldest (thus "in the middle"). However, I believe the cast list only mentions four. What gives? [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 02:09, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)

According to our wiki article, the fifth child is a baby born at the end of the fourth series. I guess the baby only has a crying part rather than a speaking part and so doesn't get credited in the cast list. -- Solipsist 10:24, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

How does someone correct a false definition and inaccurate article content/ (Hapa)

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Need to know Tongan words translated to English

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I have a gentleman that only speaks tongan and I need some general works written in Tongan and english for my staff and i to use. Could some one help.

  • Example: Meal time
  • Ride
  • Bathroom
  • Shower
  • Shave
  • Change your clothes
  • join us for walk
  • join us for music
  • here is your medicine
  • here is a snack ie cookie, banana,
  • follow me please
  • lets go now
  • how our you today

Anyone that could hep translate so I can put on flashcards in Tongan and English wouldbe greatly appreciated my E mail me at hcstoney @juno.com july26,04 Thanks

We don't usually reply by e-mail. You'll be answered here. — Chameleon Main/Talk/Images 05:04, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What you need is a little book called Functional Tongan-English English-Tongan Dictionary by Thomas Schneider. It contains the most used 2000 words of Tongan and English. The copy I have was printed in 1977 by Oceania Printers in Suva, Fiji and distributed through 'Atenisi University in Nuku'alofa, Tonga. I don't know if it's still in print. Look in ABEbooks to see if any used copies are available. The bookstore at Brigham Young University, Lai'e, Hawai'i, may be able to help you. They serve a number of Tongan students and Mormon missionaries going to Tonga.

If you can't get the little dictionary, Churchward's Tongan Dictionary might do, but it's so big and elaborate it might confuse you. Also try your local Mormon (LDS) stake -- they might have a Tongan emigrant who can help you.

I can make a stab at translating for you, but I'm not a native speaker of Tongan, I haven't used it much for twenty years, and there's NO WAY you can figure out how to pronounce the words just by reading them. Long vowels, no dipthongs, and glottal stops can be very difficult for English speakers. Also, I'm not sure what level of formality would be appropriate.

I'll show long vowels like this: [=a] is a long a. Hold for two beats.

  • Meal time -- Taimi ma'u me'atokoni.
  • Ride -- Heka motok[=a].
  • Bathroom -- Fale mal[=o]l[=o] (for toilet).
    • Fale kaukau, or kaukau'anga (for bathing).
  • Shower -- Saoa.
  • Shave -- Telekava.
  • Change your clothes -- Fetongi ho vala.
  • Join us for walk -- Te tau [=o] lalo.
  • Join us for music.
    • Te tau hiva. (Let's sing).
    • Te tau [=o] 'o fanongo ki he musika. (Let's go listen to music).

If there's just the two of you, it's ta instead of tau. Ta is dual, tau is more than two.

  • Here is your medicine -- Ko e faito'o eni.
  • Here is a snack ie cookie, banana.
    • Ko e ki'i pisiketi eni. (Here is a cookie).
    • Ko e fo'i siane eni. (Here is a banana).

I can't think of any good word for snack.

  • Follow me please -- Te u taki, pea muimui koe (I'll lead, you follow).
  • Let's go now -- Tau [=o] fakataha. (Or ta if it's just two).
  • How are you today -- F[=e]f[=e] hake he 'aho ni?

Zora 07:39, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • Excellent work, Zora but... Some people are too helpful, aren't they? Imagine the fun someone could have had there with some well chosen phrases and a hidden video camera... It would have been like a Tongan Fawlty Towers. And who wouldn't want to see that? Especially with all the dual - ta and many - tau farce opportunities --bodnotbod 02:35, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

Origin of the title "Earl of Rosebery"

Does anyone know why the name 'rosebery' was chosen for the title given to the Primrose family (Archibald Primrose of 1600's?). My last name is Roseberry, and we are trying to determine its origin. Many thanks!

Rosebery was the name of his estates in Scotland. The first titled member of the family was Archibald Primrose, of Dalmeny (1664-1723) who became Viscount of Rosebery, Lord Primrose and Dalmeny in 1700 and Earl of Rosebery, Viscount of Inverkeithing, Lord Dalmeny and Primrose in 1703, in the peerage of Scotland. The two sets of titles have different remainders, with the frst set going to hairs male of his body, filing which to heirs female therof, failing which to his heirs of tailly of the lands of Rosebery. The second set leave out the remainder to his heirs in tail.
I don't have a clue as to why the lands were called Rosebery, though. - Nunh-huh 19:47, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Cauliflower/Cabbabe Family

I'm allergic to Ragweed; therefore, I can not eat Melons or fruit grown close to the ground that could be exposed to Ragweed. However, I'm in an allergic reaction right now with something I ate a couple of days ago. But the only thing different in my diet was cabbage one night and raw cauliflower the next.

Since these are close to the ground grown....Could they be exposed to ragweed as well to cause my allergic reaction? I itch all over when exposed.

Thanks you

C. Delores Bennett deloalex@juno.com

It appears that ragweed pollen production has increased a lot the last few years, possibly due to global warming. I don't know about your allergic reaction. Mark Richards 17:52, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What is this song called?

"You can't always get what you want....you can't always get what you want....you can't always get what you want, but if you try you'll find, you get what you need" This song is featured in the new Cola C2 comercials and I'm trying to find this song. Ilyanep (Talk) 19:47, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ah, youth<g>. The song is "You Can't Always Get What You Want", and it's by the Rolling Stones (lyrics here), recorded in 1968 and released in 1969 on their album Let It Bleed. - Nunh-huh 19:55, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Well, LAUNCH yeilded 100 entries or so. Thanks. Ilyanep (Talk) 23:03, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Oh no, you don't get out of it that easy. It's a canonical song. Sigh, no sense of heritage. --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod (TALKQuietly)]] 05:26, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

Help!

Can anyone shed light on the origins of the English word, 'Help'? 

    Help \Help\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Helped(Obs. imp. Holp, p.
    p. Holpen; p. pr. & vb. n. Helping.] [AS. helpan; akin to
    OS. helpan, D. helpen, G. helfen, OHG. helfan, Icel.
    hj[=a]lpa, Sw. hjelpa, Dan. hielpe, Goth. hilpan; cf. Lith.
    szelpti, and Skr. klp to be fitting.]
  • If you need any help parsing that, I'm sure someone can help. Of course, the other thing about the history of the word is that it is very short. People through the ages have benefited from this virtue in a way that the now extinct tribe of annakournikovanaxxylflangshasticinators could not. To appreciate why they were not successful in Darwinistic terms, try shouting "antidisestablishmentarianism" when you next fall into an unattended reservoir. --bodnotbod 03:12, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)
I know what antidisestablishmentarianism means. I need to spend less time on the 'net. Ilyanep (Talk) 03:33, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The direct etymology of help is from Old English helpan, where -an is an infinitive ending. In other words, the word was English from the start. --Gelu Ignisque

Siula Grande first ascent any route?

Who was the first to ascend Siula Grande in the Peruvian Andes? The article Siula Grande, and the film Touching the Void implies a German team had descended it in 1936, but I found no mention in newsgroups or on the web outside of Wikipedia.

Talk:Siula Grande has more questions.

Sources I've looked at so far:

-Wikibob | Talk 13:57, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)

Maybe take a quick squiz at the Touching the Void book next time you're near a library... may have more detail than the film? Pcb21| Pete 14:05, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

On line training resources for VHF radios

Does anyone know of any on-line (free preferably) resources for 101 training on VHF handset use for basic communication? Thanks, Mark Richards 16:42, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What kind of radio? Amateur radio or something else? --ssd 12:22, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Not quite, just how to use VHF handsets, vehicle and base stations, radio protocol and programming / setup of radio networks for disaster response / coordination. Mark Richards 16:36, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Grimwith England

I'm looking for history of Grimwith England. It's in North Yorkshire/Dales National Park. It's north of Leeds, Northwest of York. There is now a reservoir built in 1864 by Brandford Corp over the area. I want to know about the area before said reservoir.

Interestingly then name seems to mean "The wood haunted by a ghost or goblin", from Old English and Old Norse. Mark Richards 22:07, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Miura Aika

You have an article on Kawashima Azumi. Why don't you have an article on Miura Aika. For me, Miura Aika is as well-known as Kawashima Azumi, if we do not want to say thay Miura Aika is more popular than Kawashima Azumi.

Thank you for your attention and your prompt reply.

Hoang Pha

Be bold and write the article yourself. --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod ......TALKQuietly)]] 23:48, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

Grimwith England

I'm looking for history of Grimwith England. It's in North Yorkshire/Dales National Park. It's north of Leeds, Northwest of York. There is now a reservoir built in 1864 by Brandford Corp over the area. I want to know about the area before said reservoir.

Grimwith is Old English+ Old Norse for "the wood haunted by a ghost or goblin"

Thank you, Anne--69.29.243.34 22:48, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Defacing/Destroying British currency

OK, please bear in mind I'm talking United Kingdom law here: we often hear it said that it's illegal to deface British currency (ie, writing on the notes).

Furthermore, someone is now telling me that if you destroy rather than deface currency then that is a differnt matter and is not illegal - which sounds barmy to me. The K Foundation once burnt a million quid and we recently had a game show hosted by Jimmy Carr who regularly burned prize money in front of the audience (though it could well have been fake, I guess).

Can someone tell me what law talks about defacing currency and whether destruction is legal? --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod ......TALKQuietly)]] 23:43, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

Well, it is illegal in many jurisdictions, for example, the US Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code "Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined not more than $100 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both." this is kind of fun!
However, you're talking about the UK... I believe that it is illegal to deface coins or notes in any way in the UK, however, you have to be caught doing it, not just in posession of notes to be prosecuted, and I'm not aware of any cases. Notes remain legal tender no matter how defaced or shabby they are, and, even if shops won't accept them, banks must. Do you have some specific plan? Mark Richards 00:01, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
One reason why defacing coins was made illegal was to discourage clipping and to make prosecution of it easier. Rumour has it that clipping was punishable at one time by removal or breaking of fingers, later by removal of hand, then later still by transportation or death. Mark Richards 00:11, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Heading off topic, but the reason that higher value coins have milled edges is to prevent clipping. Machines to mill coin edges were first designed by Pierre Blondeau in 1662 in France [5] and partly introduced into Britain by Isaac Newton when he became Warden of the Mint[6] and oversaw the recoinage of 1690s[7]. One of Newton's prime responsibilities when working at the Mint was to persue counterfitters and he is known to have had several people hung for the crime. -- Solipsist 09:45, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Heading even more off topic, in Britain the 19th century it was common for various tokens and foriegn coins to be used as a substitute for British ones, there was no law against it, and the French 10 centime was often accepted as an English penny. The foreign coins were not subject to the law on defacing coinage and occasionally these coins would be stamped with some advertsing slogan. Thomas Barratt or Pears Soap came up with a scheme to import 500,000 10 centime coins which he had systematically stamped with the words "Pears Soap" before putting them into circulation. The law was subsequently changed so that foreign coins could no longer be used as tokens for British ones. (This is part of an article on Pears Soap, that has been languishing in my sandbox for about a year) Mintguy (T) 12:44, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Business Owners, Management

Who is the owners, investors, partners, management etc. for Cee Gee's in Carlin Nevada?

  • Hoover's Online reports two businesses by that name in Carlin, NV, and several more besides. The search results are here (I performed the search from a university workstation; I'm not sure if you'll see the same results at home.) The two businesses in Carlin Nevada — Cee Gee's Pizza (775-754-6968) and Cee Gees Saloon (775-754-6551) — are both owned by one Cindy Goddard, but no other relevant information is reported. I guess you'd have to call them to find out more. --Ardonik 02:06, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)
    • Also note that Carlin, Nevada is a town of 2,000 people in what is, by American standards, the middle of nowhere. I would imagine that a fairly large proportion of the town would know who owns and runs the local saloon and pizza place, if you visited there. --Robert Merkel 03:33, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Searching for my Page

I created a page called Elcaro Wiki Discussion. If I search for the page it does not return. Do I need to enable something so that my page is searchable.

This question is about Wikipedia itself, and should really be asked on the Wikipedia:Village Pump. In any case, I've checked your user contributions page (click on "my contributions" at the top of any Wikipedia page when you're logged in to check your own; to check somebody else's go to their user page and then click "user contributions" on the left), and it doesn't appear you've created a page with that title.
I have checked whether somebody deleted your page (I'm an admin), and that doesn't seem to be the case either; so either it was deleted more than a week ago, or the page never actually got created in the first place (for instance, if the Wikipedia was "down" while you were trying to save the page). I can't find your page in the deletion logs, so I'm betting that it was never created.
By the way, that page title doesn't sound like it's on a particularly encyclopedic topic. Wikipedia is not a general-purpose wiki; it exists to create an encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for some suggestions if you want to use a Wiki for non-encyclopedic purposes. --Robert Merkel 08:49, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The "Chop off my legs" guy

Did that guy that was going to chop off his legs live on the Internet with a home made guillotine, actually do it, or is he still trying to raise the money, or did some surgeon do it for him, or was it a hoax, or what? Mintguy (T) 12:31, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think you mean this guy, (a slate article, another interesting one) Paul Morgan. www.Cutoffmyfeet.com appears to have been shut down. The stunt was scheduled for September 19th 2001, so I guess it didn't happen. Mark Richards 20:34, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Chatmoss Country Club

Homepage. I love these. What about it?! Mark Richards 20:43, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution function

Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. I love these. What about it?! Mark Richards 20:46, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Linux woes

Well I finally decided to get around to trying Linux. I decided to go for the “safest option” and run a live distribution from a cd (Morphix). I ignored the warning on the disc that read “read the instructions inside the magazine first” because I no longer had the magazine. So I just put it in the drive and rebooted. Everything went ok, I had a bit of a look around, decided there would be a very steep learning curve, and I really should look at a few books (there was no documentation on the cd at all!). Then I pressed the button on the DVD drive and nothing happened! Panic set in, as I realise that a bootable cd meant I couldn’t just switch off and on again. I has visions of prising it open with a screwdriver ( the computer is 4 days old I really didn’t want to smash it up) then I came to my senses and thought of changing the boot order in the bios. That worked so I did boot up Windows and get the disc out, but surely there must be a way of opening it from within Linux? Also when I tried to connect to the internet, it didn't dial up (I get broadband in two weeks yeah!) how do i tell it about dial up networking? theresa knott 19:01, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think you can eject a live distribution while the OS is in use - you have to shut it down and the last thing it does is eject the CD. However, if you insist on using one, Knoppix is about the most friendly Linux distribution I have ever seen (live or on-disk). →Raul654 19:11, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)
Indeed, the root filesystem is mounted off the CD, so the eject button is (quite rightly) disabled. I'd echo Raul's fondness for Knoppix. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:51, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I don't know about Morphix but Mandrake Linux (the distro I use) has a whole control center (very nice) that should recognize your dial-up modem. Problem is, it doesn't recognize my D-link DWL-520! (nor does any other distro I tried) :(. A good distro is Debian because it makes installing packages a lot easier, and it's what lindows is based on. Good luck. Ilyanep (Talk) 19:19, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

First off, if you have a built in 'winmodem', generally it is not worth trying to get Linux to recognise it. All hardware modems should give you a better shot at it. How old is the CD you're using? Using the most recent one will give you a much better crack at getting it going, as Raul says, Knoppix is the best at this. As for getting the disk out, when it's running, you can't, because it is a LiveCD, running from the disk. Shut it down using the icon that, I think, on Gnome, is a foot, but honestly could be anything depending on the theme. It's analagous to the start button on windows. There should be a 'log out' or 'shut down' option. Go for it, and the disk should eject. If it doesn't, turn the computer off at the power switch, and find the little paperclip hole on the front of your cd drive that hardware ejects the cd. HTH Mark Richards 20:31, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

If you want specific help about how to configue it to dial up, let us know what computer, and what version of Linux. Mark Richards 23:04, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your halp everyone. Now that I come to think of it, it makes perfect sense not to allow removal of the disc when the operating system is on that disc. But it does not eject when the computer shuts down :-( Anyway I found a quick way to get the disc out, by rebooting, pressing F1, watching the light of the DVD drive an opening it when it flashes. It then boots to Windows just fine. As for dialup, i think I may as well just wait a couple of weeks to I go over to braodband and try to get that to work instead.
I intend to run a dual boot system - what's the best way to do this let Linux shrink my Windows partition, or use something like Partition Magic? I have version 5 ( current version is 8) free on a magazine disc. Has anyone used that with XP - it says it's compatable with Windows 2000 but XP hadn't come out yet when version 5 was new. I'd rather not pay for the latest version if I can get away with an older one. theresa knott 00:29, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Unless you're strapped for cash, I'd avoid dual-boot like the plague. Partition management (of every flavour) can be a bit dicey, and windows frequently doesn't play nice with the boot sectors of other OSes (particularly when you need to reinstall XP, it'll generally write the drive's MBR, meaning your linux partition becomes unbootable, at least until you fix the boot partition after booting from some install media or liveCD). If you can at all afford it, get one of those cheapo removable drive caddy things (you know, it's just a slot on the PC's front, and a regular IDE hard drive goes inside). Then have one drive for booting windows, and another for booting linux. It's marginally less convenient than dual boot, but much safer. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:40, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I would like to echo Finlay's advice - dual boot is 10x more headache than it's worth. 'Tried it, *hated* it. Now I have two machines (XP for fun, Fedora Core 2 for work) and life is a lot happier. If you have an older machine lying around, put linux on that one. Just one comment - the "good" Window managers (read - friendly and intuitive) are very processor hungry. →Raul654 04:36, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)
Dual boot isn't that hard, although I would recommend making an emergency boot disk to repair the boot loader if something happens. The Grub boot loader is fairly robust and works well either from floppy or disk. Repartitioning is a bit dangerous, but if done right, works well. I think getting a second disk would be much easier and cheaper than the "drive caddy things". I sometimes install grub in the last cylinder on the disk, which windows invariably forgets to use anyway. --ssd 04:25, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yes, dual boot isn't such a big deal. Get a nice tool such as Partition Magic to help you. The concerns about MBRs are valid, but if you can get your preferred OS to rewrite the boot sector you want, if Win overwrites it (a boot floppy would help), you should be fine, really. Dysprosia 14:00, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have used dual boot, and found it, as others said, a pain, but not insurmountable. The solution I came up with was to make a floppy or cd boot disk that boots to a partition on the hard drive. If that disk is in the drive, it boots to linux, if not, it boots to windows. Seriously though, hard discs are not expensive, get another one and don't mess around with partitioning. Mark Richards 15:15, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

How do you propagate a Bambusa multiplex 'Alphonse Karr'?

You can order them over the internet here, although I don't know whether they are seeds or cuttings. Mark Richards 15:31, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

PK4 file format

When I installed Quake, Medal of Honor, and Call of Duty, I always see files being copied of the file type PK4 (it's always like "pak.pk4") or PK3 (honestly I don't remember). Can somebody tell me what this filetype is and give me a link to an article about it? I kind of guessed it had something to do with the 3D game thing, and possibly a proprietary file made by ID. Ilyanep (Talk) 15:35, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

http://filext.com doesn't have anything on it, so it must just be an internal, proprietory files used only by those programs, to do something mysterious. They may even just be copied during installation, compiled into something else, and then deleted. Ever tried finding them and opening them in Notepad? They may be something really simple. — Chameleon Main/Talk/Images 15:51, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
A .pk4 is a renamed .zip file that contains the data files for a specific level(?) game etc that runs on a quake or similar engine. I don't know anything about the organization of files inside it. Mark Richards 15:55, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Ok, thanks a lot for your help
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