Talk:Java (disambiguation)

Requested move

This move is to undo a move made by a lone user without consulting the comunnity. Java was moved to Java (disambiguation) and a new Java article was created as a #REDIRECT to Java programming language. As the programming language itself is named after the Java coffee that is named after the Java (island), Java should not redirect to Java programming language (as Nike does not #redirects to Nike,_Inc., nor Nirvana #redirects to Nirvana (band)) Abu Badali 20:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

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Java should point to Island

I think the article about the island should be at Java, with a link to the disambiguation article in its top. Actually, I'm surprised Java doesn't lead directly to the island. Markussep 11:09, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I Agree with this approach as the island is the origin of the name. --Abu Badali 16:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree with the previous two comments. Keep this page at Java (disambiguation) and move Java (island) to Java; stamp on the current Java as a redirect to Java programming language with maximum prejudice. –Hajor 18:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree also Java should be about the island. Jooler 11:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Emphatically against solitary users creating redirects and culturally inappropriate decisions that smell of lack of NPOV. Etymologically the original place/item stays as the starting point - ie Java the island as the source of the chain of derivatives - Java programming language is well down the food chain!vcxlor 15:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't notice this before, but I am in agreement that Java should point to the island first. Julius.kusuma 21:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that 'Java' article should be about the island. *drew 00:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Java isn't just a tropical dot with a coconut tree- it's one of the most populous islands in the world. The article should go to the island Java. Borisblue 23:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Java should be about the island. It's a huge, densely populated island. The programming language can be referenced in a link at the top, as can the disambiguation page. See python for inspiration. --jacobolus (t) 03:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Java should point to programming language

I disagree that the Java article should be the island. I am supporting only the original proposal at the top. I regular dab Java and if you now make it the island, I will probably abandon this task as it will be even more arduous to deal with. Through my dab experience, the language or platform is referred to about 65%, the island about 30% and whatever else 5%. BTW, the language was not directly named after the island. RedWolf 05:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree: Java, in a Internet environment, is more known as a programming language. According to me, should this page not to be a disambiguation one, it should instead contain the article about the language. --Angelo 19:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Support Java the language is best known, however this would be very confusing to someone looking for Java(island) or Java(coffee). With the number of pages listed here it should be the first page for Java. please note, i do NOT support the artical about the island getting the first page. T-rex 03:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Given the number of pages which link to the varius Java pages, attention should be noted that a big majority of the links within Wikipedia link to the programming subject. There are about 700 links to the Java (island) page, about 1500 to the Java programming language page, and 530 to the JavaScript page; no other page of those listed on the disambiguation page links to more than 100. Since JavaScript isn't really Java, I would say that the page Wikipedians seem to want when they do Java is Java programming language.Eli Falk 10:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Java should point to disambig

I believe Java should point to the disambiguation page. I would say much more than a few users (as cited by RedWolf) are looking for the language when they type in Java. Besides the wealth of developers out there (check forum.java.sun.com), a large percentage of high schoolers has to take this. Plus, there are those end users that are curious about Java from seeing it so much on their computers. As to the point of "the island is the origin of the name": That claim isn't necessarily valid. (I'm pretty sure there's no official stance on that, and it may even be an acronym.) Further, does it really matter what the origin is? Shouldn't it be what the most likely search that gets the automatic redirect (if any)? I'm not saying make Java go straight to the language, but I do think we should give both sides the benefit of the doubt and direct to the disambiguation page. There's my two cents. --ElAmericano 00:24, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We do know that java is not an acronym. Java is named after a coffee shop, that is nammed after the coffee, which is named after the island. That said I agree that it should be as disambiguation page(as I already stated above^). --T-rex 21:58, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Ravn 15:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discision

Template:Notmoved Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 01:10, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More discussion, after the "discision"

I think the policy at Python is best. At the top:

This article is about the python snake. For the programming language, see Python programming language. For other uses, see Python (disambiguation).

Similarly, Java is the Island. Java in any other encyclopedia will first discuss the island. If you polled non-programmers, the island would come up more, and the programming language is only more popular because Wikipedia in general overemphasizes computer/technology topics. Java should refer to the island. If for no other reason than to respect the 130 million inhabitants. --jacobolus (t) 03:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also note: about 7 out of 12 people (8/13 including me) who have voted at this page think it should go to the island page. That smells like consensus to me, or at least a majority. Before the "discision", it was 7 out of 10. --jacobolus (t) 03:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't understand the "discision". There was a consensus!

Also, I have a point agaisnt ElAmericano opinion: "As to the point of "the island is the origin of the name": That claim isn't necessarily valid.". I would say it is. My rational is that the "most likely search" (as ElAmericano said) is something that changes over time and and may be difficult to state in some cases. "What the origin is" doesn't changes and is usually well-known. For instance, supose a new Boy-band called Zeus comes into existance and becomes extremmaly popular. Are we going to have to #Redirect Zeus there and create Zeus (greek godness)? Or would it be wiser to create something like Zeus (boyband) and but dab notices on Zeus? Best regards, --Abu Badali 16:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I use Java as a programming language, but a link to the island is more important in my mind. For a start, it's been around a lot longer. More importantly, it is more widely known, with the programming language being more specialised. The current setup of lists of links with geography first, then programming, suits me.Stephen B Streater 18:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about reversing the order atleast. AFAI understand, most hits to Java is for the 'programming language'. I'm going to reverse the order. Please do revert, if you can substantiate with a valid reason --kkailas 16:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article should point to the island and this should not be under a qeustion. I am wandering where is the frontier of programmers' arogancy... --millosh (talk (sr:)) 20:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]