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Formatting problem

Can someone correct the formating problem on this page near the Indic text box?

Corrected thunderboltz 05:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History of Kochi dated back at least to early 1400

In this article, Kochi dated back only to 1500s

The following paragraphy about history of Kochi in the early 1400s was deleted by by Deepujoseph for no good reason.

"The history of Kochi(Chinese 柯枝) dated back to early 15th century. During the Yong Le era of Ming Dynasty, Admiral Zheng He and his treasure fleet visited Kochi. Their visits were documented by on board Arab language translators Ma Huan,Fei Xin and Gong Zheng,each one of them published a book documented their visits to variou countries, including Kochi.(There is an English translation of Ma Huan’s book Ying yai sheng lan (The Overall survey of the ocean shores）.

  • The name of the king of Kochi was Koyili,he was a buddhist.
  • The main product of Kochi was pepper.The rich merchants or chetti of Kochi, collected pepper from local farmers and exchange them with arab merchants for pearls, coral and spice, then in turn wait for the arrival of Zheng He's fleet to trade for porcelain and silk.
  • In 1405 King Koyili sent envoy Vanjatar(完者塔儿)to pay tribute to Emperor Zhu Di of Ming Empire.
  • In 1412 King Koyili sent envoy to Ming Court a second time, requested a formal Imperial instituion of a mountain in Kochi.
  • In 1416 Emperor Zhu Di formally instituted king Koyili as "King of Kochi". The Emperor also instituted a mountain in Kochi as National Guardian Mountain (镇国山), with institution poem (in 16 stanzas, 64 Chinese characters )written by Emperor Zhu Di himself inscribed on a stone tablet as Imperial present."

In doing so, Deepujoseph had truncated the history of Kochi. If the history of Kochi began in the 1500s, then Kochi should called Cochin, the Portugese name.

It was a fact of history that Kochi did payed tribute to Emperor Yong Le. But the so called tributary system was mostly symbolic, in exchange for protection of Ming Emperor, the king retained full control of his country, unlike settlement where foreign power had full control


Reference: Ma Huan: Ying Yai Sheng Lan, the overall survey of the ocean's shores ISBN 974 8496 78-3


Being the two largest and most ancient countries in Asia, there is strong historical links bewteen India and China. As is well known, the influence of Budhism in China is immense thru the pilgrimage of Xuan Zang in Tang dynasty, in the same period, the Emperor of Tang also sent envoy to Magadha to learn the method of making refined sugar. The second period of close contact was during the Ming dynasty when Zheng He and his fleet visited Calicut, Kochi, India and many other places in India. The history of these visits were well documented in the books by Xuan Zang and Ma Huan. Scholars in Indian History acknowledge the importance of Xuan Zang and Ma Huan as important primary sources of ancient history of India. Indian history cannot be complete without reference to Xuan Zang and Ma Huan.


Gisling 06:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted it because there was no reference whatsoever, of such an elaborate Chineese history for Kochi, even on the government of India site. The history of Kochi before the arrival of the Portuguese is obscure according to all the sources I checked. I dont deny the arrival of the Chineese and Arabs on the shores of Kochi. The Chineese fishing nets, and the chineese like name of the place, is testimony to it. I removed the content for ethical reasons only. Now that you have provided an ISBN number to the book, you may add that part of History too. Deepujoseph (talk · contribs)

Thank you for your understanding.

I am the translator of several articles about India in the Zh:wikipedia, including Calicut, Kochi, Uttarapatha, working on the translation of Magadha. Gisling 13:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cochin Stock Exchange.

Someone Please add some info(atleast a 1 liner) on cochin stock exchange.i dont have much info about it.after adding,pls delete this comment.Thank you.

I've added a reference. Thanks for pointing it out. User:Deepujoseph/sig 11:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Map problem

How is it that Trivandrum , the capital of the state is missing from the map? Great !! --Altruist 07:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because Kochi is larger than Trivandrum, and the map is about India's largest cities, not it's capitals. —Khoikhoi 07:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So dont try to project any city u favour ..be it Khoikhoi or thunderbolt --Altruist 07:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That didn't make any sense. Please rephrase yourself. —Khoikhoi 08:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When you show a map you are supposed to show the capital city .If you dont know this basic fact please dont argue again.And please dont make false claims anymore .Pleae show me atleast one link which shows Kochi corporation to be bigger than that of Trivandrum. --Altruist 08:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The map is of the largest cities of India. And here's your link. —Khoikhoi 08:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if you look, you'll notice that more capitals are missing from that map. Where is Raipur or Bhubaneswar or Gangtok or Shimla or Aizawl or Agartala or the many other sate capitals? Because you see things with only one eye, it seems that only TVM was removed from the map. -- User:Deepujoseph/sig 10:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)~

Are those cities shown in the major official sites ?http://www.southernrailway.org/city/facility.asp, they consider only Thiruvananthapuram from the state.CHENNAI ,MUMBAI ,PUNE ,NEW NELHI ,HYDERABAD ,KOLKATA ,BANGLORE ,TRIVANDRUM are included .

Also please http://www.airportsindia.org.in/aai/airports-frame.htm like that many ones..

Guys do not pretend..That is not the comparison. Compare coimbatore vs chennai as equivalent to Kochi vs Trivandrum --Sathyalal 06:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A city with length from Palarivattom to Thoppumpady and a narrow breadth(because of this it is only 87 sq km) from Marine drive to Vytila

is smaller than

A city with length from Thiruvallom to Sreekaryam and breadth from Airport to Vattiyoorkavu.( I only used the approved city limits, not even Technopark, which is big hub)

To understand this no body needs great wisdom. Go to South railway station in Kochi, go to the police aid-post and ask for a pre-paid auto. The police man(Not the Autowallah! Offcourse) will say, “Up to Palarivattom you have to pay 34 Rs and rest you have to pay 1 ½ of the charge since it is out of city limits”. Also walk to the city corporation office and enquire the clerk, how many counsel members(which are based on population) they have.

Now how come all official maps are not missing Thiruvananathapuram, but Kochi? only here it is vice versa.

Look at prominance given in official sites--Sathyalal 06:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Resident of Kochi

Resident of kochi is called a Kochite???? Never heard of that word before Bharatveer 04:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Residents of Kochi are reffered to as Kochiites (two i's). It occurs frequently in the new indian express, and I believe the word is their creation too. link -- User:Deepujoseph/sig

I still feel that should not be a reason for including that statement in an encyclopedia article like this one.Bharatveer 17:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A resident of Bombay is called a Bombayite. (quoted from the Mumbai page). The statement here is analogous to that. Besides, the papers (the metro/'city express' supplements of the Hindu [1] and the New Indian Express) use the word frequently too. Its a gender-neutralised transalation of the Malayalam words kochikaran/Kochikari. Do you think the line should be removed? Comments anyone? -- User:Deepujoseph/sig 04:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Kennedy Airport Sanctuary

The article says that the copper tablets presented to the cochin Jews in ancient times were shipped to the Kennedy Airport Sanctuary. However I couldnt find one reference to this statement anywhere. Also, my preliminary analysis has reached to the conclusion that there isnt even a sanctuary at the John F. Kennedy International Airport. Does anyone have any objections to removing this statement? Or better, can somebody provide a reference? -- User:Deepujoseph/sig 07:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

South Indian world view

World View map of the world

Why is there a mention of "south indian " world view in this article? Is it any different from Indian world view???Bharatveer 10:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, indeed. See this map. -- User:Deepujoseph/sig 10:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Must be true :) since it is coming from germany.Bharatveer 12:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I have added citation needed tag for that sentence.Bharatveer 12:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Much of the weltanschauung map is based on the seminal work of Benjamin Lee Whorf at the MIT of what is known as the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. Indeed south Indian weltanschauung is distinct from other weltanschauung for the simple reason that the linguistic family (in terms of the underlying syntactic-grammar of language) is distinct from other language family. the role of language and thought has been elaborated by the MIT cognitive psychologist Lera Boroditsky and the psycholinguist Stephen Levinson at the Max Planck Institute in Europe. The relationship between people, populations and language is also studied in the landmark researches of Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza on language and genetics known as population dynamics. It is found in the landmark works by Cavalli-Sforza including:

  • Cavalli-sforza (2000) "Genes, Peoples, and Languages".
  • Cavalli-sforza, Paolo Menozzi and Alberto Piazza (1994) "The History and Geography of Human Genes"

India is politically one, that does not mean that all the people have a similar worldview nor does it mean that all people should have a single worldview. Besides how boring the world would be with just one way of looking at the world. Political conglomeration is not necessarily on the basis of worldview of people and a single worldview need not be forced upon any people in the name of nationalism. At least that is the one lesson we need to learn from the horror of Nazi regime.

thanks Robin klein 19:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for all those links to "scholarly" works. But what i would like to see is how this "division of India " was achieved , i mean discovered by these 'scholars' .It would be real great to see such a study.Bharatveer 03:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "division of India" in these works unless one chooses to see it as such, which by the way would be entirely ones own interpretation. Worldview is based on language families and more or less follow the distinct patterns of language families. Because ideas are expressed or communicated through language, people speaking common languages tend to share common ideas and similar worldview. There are language maps of the world that one can see in encyclopedias which were made by linguists and psycholinguists through years of "scholarly" work. Please read the scientific works of all these "scholars" and of those whose links were provided if you want to see "scholarly" studies related to this. Robin klein 05:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice. I will keep an eye on such "scholarly" studies.As for your "one chooses to see comments" , it would be worthwhile to remember the relation between language politics in Tamilnadu and the AIT propounded by the "pyshcho" linguists from oirope. Now that you have rephrased the wordings, it just looks fine Bharatveer 06:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates

The coordinates given above the article, on clicking, is saying "Error: out of range". Please see. --Dwaipayan (talk) 11:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I noticed that. The one on the Bangalore page gives the same result. Perhaps wiki maps doesnot have South India listed yet. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 14:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have modified the 'KCP'to its full form since it can give a slightly misleading impression that it is an service independent from Kerala Police (KP).Bharatveer 06:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Details about CUSAT??

Who need to know details about Cusat when they are here to know about Cochin??if all agree,pls edit it.

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