Talk:Hurricane Camille

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The "hurricane party" is not just an urban legend. The Civil Defense Team that evacuated this area made a film entiltle "Camile was no Lady". This documentary shows the before an after images of the destruction. It also shows the Civil defense team trying to evacuate this building. They were greeted by a man holding a unique beer mug, who welcomed them to a hurricane party. They encouraged them to leave but all refused. After the storm, all that was left was a pile of lumber and that distintive beer mug. As far as survivors, there are differing acounts as to whether or not anyone survived. 63.172.27.2 12:38, 21 September 2005 (UTC)M.Stewart[reply]

I hope that if my changes don't meet with universal approval they will be revised as needed rather than reverted; let me know what you think, in any case. Ataru 23:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why in god's name is this stupid Hurricane Party anecdote taking up so many paragraphs. Can't we just mention it in a sentence or two? This smells like someone's pet topic.

Because it is the most famous story of Camille. Most people have heard of it, and not many people know that it is an urban legend. Runningonbrains PS, is there an easier way to sign these things than manually adding the link??

Edit War and Protection

This is one of the stupidest edit wars I have ever seen on wikipedia. That said, would all parties agree to the following version- Camille is considered to be one of the worst storms to ever hit the mainland United States (others including Hurricane Andrew and Hurricane Ivan). Camille had winds in excess of 210 mph (340 km/h) and a storm surge of over 24 feet (6 metres) (see storm surge profile).

Also- Curps, you have protected a page in which you were involved in an edit war. As far as I understand it, this is counter to Wiki's policy. Autopilots 19:43, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Autopilots, you are mistaken. This was no edit war: this collection of anon IPs was "Cyrius's personal vandal", this was discussed in the various admin pages (protected page, etc). This vandal attacked at several pages, not just this one. -- Curps 19:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize, I didn't realize that. For this article, however, the anonymous vandal was probably correct in their inclusion of Hurricane Ivan as one of the worst storms to hit the mainland U.S., regardless of their intentions. Autopilots 20:07, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I have no opinion on the matter. Given the passage of time, though, I've unprotected the article. -- Curps 20:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My personal opinion is that Ivan really doesn't belong in the same category as Camille and Andrew; Ivan was bad, but not superlatively so. I'm not going to start an edit war about it though. Ataru 23:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an Unsigned comment by user:24.254.43.158, interjected into my comment

(others including Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Ivan,
and the Galveston Hurricane of 1900).

I have moved it here. Autopilots 06:52, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Party?

I've heard from some very official, trustworthy sources (ie, EVERYWHERE) that there was a hurricane party and that only one did survive the hurricane. This is the only place where I've heard that the "Hurricane Party" was an urban legend. bob rulz 12:39, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

You can go tell Duckworth that he's dead or lying then. The reason the story sticks around is that it's a really good story. There's one person who says they were the only survivor of the party, and at least two others who say she's full of shit, and the only actual research I've ever seen done on the thing agrees with the "full of shit" assessment. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We should remove or trim the Hurricane Party section. This is an encyclopedia, after all - that kind of stuff is better suited to a personal website. If you want to make mention of it, that's fine, but the article should not go into the detail it does.

1.42 or 1.5 or 7.5 billions?

I wonder, which data is correct about the total damage done by the Camille? Is it 1.42, 1.5 or even 7.5 billions as stated on the right brief of the site? Not to be totally overscrupulous but the 1.42 and 7.5 differ quite a lot in my opinion.

J.M.

There was a lot of inflation between the 1960s and 2005. I'm guessing that's the discrepancy. --Golbez 15:30, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

What are compact hurricanes?

My question is what are compact hurricanes? Is it big?

I suppose knowing what the word compact means helps. --Golbez 02:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, wouldn't it mean a small and well organized (and intense) hurricane? Icelandic Hurricane #12 19:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if we can talk about it in any official way "compact hurricanes" isn't an designation its just a normal English adjective added to it, which is used to describe small intense storms (Camille, Cyclone Tracy....)--Nilfanion (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Todo

Biggest single thing is probably references. But also, the length of the article hides the fact that the impact section is really small. Jdorje 03:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two long paragraphs is small? Maybe compared to the rest of the article, but it's not small. -- §HurricaneERIC§^Damagesarchive 00:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The impact section is only 6 sentences long.

Camille devastated an enormous area of the Gulf Coast; the area of total destruction in Harrison County, Mississippi was 68 square miles (176 km²).

The storm directly killed 143 people along Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. An additional 113 people perished as a result of catastrophic flooding in Nelson County, Virginia. In all, 8,931 people were injured, 5,662 homes were destroyed, and 13,915 homes experienced major damage, with many of the fatalities being coastal residents who had refused to evacuate. The total estimated cost of damage was $1.42 billion (1969 USD), or $8.889 billion (2004 USD); at the time this made Camille the second-most expensive U.S. hurricane of all time (behind Hurricane Betsy) though it would later be surpassed by numerous other hurricanes ^[1].

The name was retired after the 1969 season.

— jdorje (talk) 01:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Based on this article being one of the most notable storms in history and having just 1 paragraph on its effects, I downgraded it to Start-class. — jdorje (talk) 19:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Better? What more is needed for B class? Hurricanehink 02:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I upgraded it to B-class. To go further, the impact, aftermath, and preparations need to be extended greatly. In particular there is still relatively very little on the gulf coast impact. — jdorje (talk) 04:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Impact

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/about_us/meet_us/roger_pielke/camille/report.html

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/hurricanecamille.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~littlerosie/camille.html

found some sources to help you add more info in the CAmille article

Storm05 17:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proper terminology

I remember seeing a discussion on this somewhere else (cant remember where for the life of me)...Hurricane pronouns should be gender-neutral. It is like this in every other tropical cyclone, Camille should be no different.Runningonbrains 13:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that's right, read the article on neutercane for a quick description of a consequence of how it was done. The usage of female names was originally meant in the same way as referring to ships as "she", but the negative connotations meant the current alternating male/female naming was introduced.--Nilfanion (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

901mb?

Where does this figure come from? Has new information been released recently or something? Pobbie Rarr 16:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

THe ref is right next to it in the infobox. Read to see yourself. Icelandic Hurricane #12 17:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While this is no doubt an interesting development, this does present a problem. Why do some official websites have the 905 minimum, and some have a 901 minimum? In a google search, only a few sites list the 901 reading...most have Camilles minimum at 905. In my opinion it should be left at less than or equal to 905 until someone can find out why there are two numbers floating around out there. Runningonbrains 20:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 901 source is completely unofficial. I am changing it. Also, the damage total and death toll were unofficial. I changed that to the official NHC source. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

^ http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastcost2.shtml

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