User talk:Jakiša Tomić/Archive 1

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy: There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

You've been given a 24-hour block for violation the three-revert rule on the Rudjer Boscovich article. When you return, please try to reach an agreement on the talk page before making further edits to that article. Thank you. — Apr. 4, '06 [11:54] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

I'm neither Serbian nor Croatian. I'm American. I looked at User:Estavisti's edits and he did make four reverts, but his were over a timespan of 27 hours, 49 minutes, while you reverted four times in 16 hours, 10 minutes. However, I did give Estavisti a stern warning and told him not to make any more reverts. — Apr. 5, '06 [00:23] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

I asked admins to unblock me due to time expiration but I made mistake about time zone. sorry.

Nice

Some users with same behavior are not blocked. Maybe because they have extremely radical Serbian opinion from some books wroten during the Kingdom of Jugoslavia dictature. All non-Serbian historians knows that Kingdom of Jugoslavia is another name for Greater Serbia.

For that reason and because I don't want to be described as a Croatian nationalist (which I'am not), I conclude Wikipedia is very inaccurate source of information with many extremly orientated Serbian users (they are tolerated to write things that will make normal people puke) and I don't want to be involved in it anymore. Maybe only I can correct some mistakes from articles about computer programming and mathematics, but I'am not sure if I want to do that after your extremly stupid mistake.

Jakiša Tomić

You when you use words like f*** off, openly insult the entire Serbian people and use words like Greater Serbia, how can you even begin to claim that you're not a Croatian nationalist? I would like very much to belive that, and itd it's true, please show good will so that no more misunderstandings like these erupt... I encourage you to stay and not get disencourage by several event on wikipedia. Here, we talk things through.

All the best. Bog! --HolyRomanEmperor 20:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding several Personal attacks found throughout your contributions and especiallythis one made against me

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy: There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

And now in Serbo-Croatian

Prvo, nemam pojma o cemu pricas. Revertirao sam tvoje izmjene jer su obuhvatale Licne Napade. Dakle, nema nekih "nasih" knjiga (osim ako ti mislis da nije ovdje neka zavera, a ja sam jedan od "onih"), a tvoj pomen Republike Srpske i Velike Srbije na mojoj stranici je besmislen... Mozes li se pojasniti?

Rekao si To što se ne sijećaš rata pa bi sad reprizu je tvoj problem. Sijecam ga se i to dobro, kada su mi kuce paljene, moji prijatelji i svi koje volim pobijeni, ukljucujuci i moja mala sestra, a ja izgnan 1991 i natjeran da zivim bez ikakve materijalne imovine 15 godina u izgnanstvu po najgorim uslovima.

I meni je rata bilo dosta. Pa ti sada gledaj. Ja ne znam kakvi su to moji istomisljenici, ali ja i moja sestra smo samo htjeli da zivimo. I kako izgleda, tvoji istomisljenici nisu htjeli da mi zivimo. Kao pas ja sam morao pobjeci i ostaviti kosti moje sestre i mnogih drugih (koje je zajedno s kucom spaljeno) 1991 godine. A ti? Ti kazes da si se vratio 1995 godine? Kada cu se ja vratiti mome domu? Reci mi, molim te. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Ispričavam se na izrazima koji ću sad iskoristit: Znaš kad se netko osijeća kao pizda? E, pa ja se sad tako osijećam jer sam očigledno povrijedio tvoje osjećaje. Jebiga, bilo je u afektu i nepromišljeno i stvarno mi je jako žao.

Stvarno ne poričem zločine sa hrvatske strane od 91. do 95. i već sam dosta puta sudjelovao na raspravama u vezi toga na hrvatskim forumima i newsgrupama (mogu ti dat linkove, ali sumnjam da te to interesira) nakon čega sam bio okarakteriziran Srbinom i Četnikom i izdajnikom i ko zna čime. Rat je bio veliko sranje i vjerovao sam da moj narod nije radio sranja, ali sam se razočarao kad sam saznao da nije tako, a saznao sam to oko 2000. godine kad je sve bilo gotovo.

Budući da sam iz Drniša, imam i prijatelje koji su Srbi i dobro znam što su sve proživjeli za vrijeme rata, a i ne osuđujem one koji su bili na suprotnoj strani.

Ono što me je jučer naljutilo bilo je to što se izvori iz srpskih knjiga smatraju relevantim, a ne znam zašto bi to bilo. Zašto se npr. u članku o Ruđeru Boškoviću ne može napisati da je to srpsko gledište? To me je iznerviralo pa sam revertirao članak i priznajem da sam pretjerao sa osobnim napadima.

Eto, tako sam reagirao jučer, a nakon ovoga što si sad rekao me više nije ni briga šta će pisat u tom članku.

Još jednom se najiskrenije ispričavam zbog osobnih napada i želim ti da se jednom vratiš doma. Nadam se da nema puno onih koji žele suprotno.

Jakiša Tomić

I'm a very forgiving person, and like always, apolagee accepted. :) First, let me make clear that I don't care at all whether those are Croatian or Serbian crimes. One person murdered and one house/cultural leftover destroyed is horrible enough for me to grasp.

What you say on Rudjer is completly true. Why don't you add that yourself? It is notclearly noted (but noted still) that Rudjer is of Serbian origin. Although not known of how deep origin, it's still origin. :) The big thing is that Serbian astronomy's conceiver. In Belgrade, the Rudjer Boskovic Observatory was raised in his name and his reaserches practicly founded (it didn't exist before) the Serbian Astronomy.

Cheers, mate. I hope that there will be no more misunderstandings like these. --HolyRomanEmperor 23:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocking

You don't need to ask someone to unblock you. When the time expires, you will be automaticly unblocked.

Cheers. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Jakisa,

I saw a sudden change in your attitude and a positive one. You're OK. :) Now, the only reason that I attacked you practicly with those personal attack warnings is after I saw your uber-xenophobic posts on my and Estavisti's talk page. Not to mention the Since I saw your maps on this page, i can't help myself and utterly need to ask you, Serbs, which drugs are you using these days? I know you didn't mean anything bad when you said that, but what persicely did you mean?

Also, here anyone can see your contributions, and they won't like it, as you see; especially if they speak the Serbo-Croatian, since it even includes obscure language

But I see that you've changed and that's good. By the way, you mentioned that you could provide me with links to those forums? Please do. I would be very interested. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not changed. I just look contradictious to myself. I told that about maps because it looks to me as a far from NPOV. There can be found Croatian "hystorical" maps from period of King Dmitar Zvonimir with Croatia "bigger then Ukraina" so to speak but I have not found them on Wikipedia and that is OK. That is only my opinion. About that forums, if you are interested about links, you can see: link Iskon after Milosevics death or newsgroup hr.rec.sport.nogomet (some topics one month ago). Other forums were years ago and that is hard to find and remember. My username is "hiroaki" (some my comments are censored because of dirty language - I am short tempered as you probable noticed). Don't start politic threads on hr.rec.sport.nogomet because there is chance to be sent to abuse list. Not by me because I don't do that but by other users. Živio!

Jakiša Tomić 20:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Could you define why you found those maps percisely incorrect? I mean, Croatia was never the size of Ukraine, but it was a vast realm under King Zvonimir at the end of the 11th century (from Istra to Neretva and from Zagorje to Drina and Srijem) --HolyRomanEmperor 12:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture 1150-1220 shows Serbia containing Pelješac, Živogošće and Makar, 1265. Bosnia contains Split, 1350 Serbia contains entire Greece. That's only examples. Entire pictures are ridiculous and second picture is drawn by someone as a homework from alternate history but first and third are drawn in 1922, during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia which is, in my opinion, Greater Serbia. That is only my opinion. You can have wrong or false maps on History of Medieval Serbia on Wikipedia if you like. I don't care. Jakiša Tomić 17:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, I can give you a full detailed history of each and every one. The area from Cetina eastwards was ruled by the Serbs in the Medieval ages. If you see the Republic of Dubrovnik, you'll notice that King Stefan Dušan sold an island with Ston and Peljesac to the Republic in 1333, after Stephen II Kotromanić of [[|History of Bosnia and Herzegovina|Bosnia]] (you will find this in his article) conquered Herzegovina from the Serbs in 1326. Ofcourse Bosnia contained Split at times, it contained the whole of Dalmatia under Tvrtko.

Please read Stefan Dusan. You will also find this in the History of Greece. The Serbo-Greek Emperor conquered 80% of the Byzantine Empire, but failed to launch an attack on Constantinople. The Serbian Empire collaped, but Greece, Albania, Macedonia and other "Old Serbian" lands remained in Serbian control (mostly) until the arrival of the Ottomans, even though in Feudal Anarchy. Now, these are not even disputes. They're not even Balkan controversies, but historical facts. That map which you saw, ahh, there's a better version made by a Greek-British historian. There's also one better on Talk:Mljet. I can give you thousands of sources and detailed explainations on every single event, but I guarrantee that those are historical facts. Why would Dusan else declare himself as Emperor of Greeks and Serbs in 1345? On the Easter of 1346, Stefan Dusan was crowned by the Serbian Patriarch, the Serbian, Romeian (Byzantine), Bulgarian and Albanian nobility and the (Bulgarian) Patriarch of Tyrnovo for Tsar of All Serbs, Albanians, Greeks and Bulgarians to resemble the nations he ruled. The only person that lacked at the corronation was the Ecumenical Patriarch of Orthodox Christianity, that didn't recognize him.

Do you still cherish your opinion, or should I go to outright proving? They are most certainly not false, my friend. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I want to say something now but today was very happy day to me and I don't want to spoil that with conversation about history which can be only futile. I learned my lesson ("Don't post a comment if you don't want endless conversation with no chance of proving anything.") so before I post a comment like that from top of the section (about drugs) again, I will think twice. Jakiša Tomić 18:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey (Thanks)

Finally, someone else but me to use the Template: Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Thanks for using it, since I created it. Kseferovic 03:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I am glad to use it. Jakiša Tomić 10:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Let 3

I have no problems with removal of the prod. Neither Google or Alexa produced any hits therefore I proded it. If you can assert notability please do as I would ultimately prefer to keep articles anyway. Thanks.--Dakota ~ ° 17:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I tried to clean up the article a bit, but I realized I wasn't really sure what you were trying to say, so I ultimately decided not to save my changes. So I'll give you an idea of what to do.

• Add more information to it.
• If there's an article about it on the hr.wikipedia, make an interwiki link to it.
• Make sure the sentences make sense.
• If those awards are important, create articles about the awards, and explain what they're for, and which other people have received the awards, for each year, etc.
• Album cover images?

I don't know, just some ideas. You can look at articles about other bands and find some examples to imitate. — Apr. 8, '06 [18:13] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Re: I'm sorry

...but I can guarrantee that we can have a normal conversion, instead of a mad arguement. ;-) --HolyRomanEmperor 17:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Pitanje

Sto znaci This user supports the reinstatement of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina.?

A i da te pitam, zasto si stavio This user supports the abolition of Republika Srpska. Meni je svejedno, i dosadne su mi te Balkanske razmirice; samo me zanima zasto? --HolyRomanEmperor 16:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Zamisli da upoznaš nekog pa ga pitaš: "Kakvu muziku slušaš? Mene to opće ne zanima, ali mi odgovori." Bi li ti taj odgovorio? Evo deal: Odgovorim ti na oba pitanja ako priznaš da te ipak zanimaju "Balkanske razmirice". Inače nema smisla odgovarat, zar ne? :) Jakiša Tomić 17:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Eh, pa reci da tebe ne bi zanimalo kada bi jedan Wikipedijanac napisao na svojoj stranici This user supports the abolition of West Virginia. :-) Ako bas mora, ajde, zanima me. No, nisi mi jos preveo onaj prvi dio. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

"Reinstatement" znači "ponovno stavljanje na položaj". Dakle, podržavam reaktiviranje Republike Bosne i Hercegovine budući da mislim da još nije reaktivirana do kraja.

Bosna i Hercegovina ima Visokog Pretstavnika postavljenog izvana i to je država koja ne funkcionira samostalno. Država je sastavljena od tri konstitutivna naroda koji su dovoljno izmiješani da je nemoguća ikakva podjela države na cjeline podijeljene na nacionalnoj osnovi. To ti ujedno odgovara i na drugo pitanje. Drago mi je što je ukinuta Herceg-Bosna i volio bi da bude ukinuta i Republika Srpska. Ne želim nikome da živi u državi koja sliči Cipru, a još manje želim da to bude u mojem susjedstvu, a još manje želim da jedna strana bude nagrađena za genocid u Bosni i Hercegovini. Da ne bude zabune: Genocid su radile sve tri strane, ali ako ostane Republika Srpska, Srpska strana će biti nagrađena.

E sad, kad si me povukao za jezik idem još olakšat dušu. Kad se sjetim hrvatskih zločina u BiH, dođe mi plakat i povraćat, a onda se sjetim da je hrvatskih zločina bilo u Hrvatskoj. Još uvijek se nadam da u Hrvatskoj nisu bili organizirani (znam da nisu bili legalno organizirani, ali me zanima s kojom razinom organiziranosti se to radilo). Znaš, za mene bi se moglo reć da stvarno volim Hrvatsku. Mislim, kad nam igra reprezentacija, stvarno sam nabrijan i kad gledam na sve što se kod nas radi krivo, stvarno mi je žao i ne mislim da to mogu promijenit. Ali teško mogu reć da sam "nacionalno osviješten" ili tako nešto. Meni to brojenje krvnih zrnaca nije jasno. Tim više šta je stvar odluke kojoj ćeš naciji pripadat, a jedina "korist" koja se može izvući iz nacionalne pripadnosti je rat. Točno iz tog razloga sam odlučio prije 4 godine da se više ne želim nacionalno opredjeljivat.

I tu odluku nisam nikad promijenio. Nikad do prije par dana. Kad sam vidio s kojim žarom i predanošću se broje krvna zrnca ljudima na ovim prostorima koji su spomenuti u Wikipediji, a posebno sa strane srpskih korisnika, shvatio sam da je to nekima još uvijek jako važno i da možda priče o učestalom srpskom nacionalizmu u Srbiji nisu tako lažne kao što sam mislio.

Ipak još manje želim hrvatski nacionalizam u Hrvatskoj. Da izvineš, to govno smrdi u mojoj kući pa mi više smrdi. Ja ne želim da Hrvatska bude nacionalno nabrijana država. Želim da se srpski izbjeglice vrate i glasaju na izborima i da žive skupa s Hrvatima ekonomski kvalitetnijim životom nego što je danas. A mislim da ću se ipak nacionalno opredjeljivat na popisima stanovništva jer ako su Srbi na Wikipediji tipični pretstavnici srpskog naroda, to će biti više nego potrebno da mi netko ne pobroji krvna zrnca pa po tome zaključi da sam Hrvat, a po popisu stanovništva zaključi da sam na nekom teritoriju u manjini. Jakiša Tomić 22:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, kao prvo, ne postoje hrvatski zlocini. Cim neki Hrvat pocini zlocin (u zadnjih 200 godina iskljucivo nad Srbima i nesto malo nad Muslimanima) prestaje da vude Hrvat (ne zasluzuje). Dalje, slazem se s tobom. Onako kako ja vidim BiH je decentralizirana Federacija sa Bosnjackim, Srpskim i Hrvatskim kantonima. Zelim da se Srbima vrati Una-Sana (da se vrate izbjeglice) i da to postanu njihovi kantoni, da RS vrati Bosnjacima kantone u istocnoj Bosni i Hercegovini i da Bosnjaci vrate kantone Hrvatima u centralnoj Bosni.

Dalje, ne zaboravi da su Bosanski Srbi imali 249 logora, Hrvati 71, a Muslimani/Bosnjaci 89.

Jedino bi mi bilo drago kada bi Hrvatska sprovela to isto, i dala neku autonomiju, ili barem konstitutivnu ravnopravnost Srbima, kao sto je nekada bilo (prije rata); tj, ako se ikada vrate izbjeglice. Zapamti da je 300,000 Srba napustilo Hrvatsku milom ili silom u 1990-1993, a za vrijeme Bljeska i Oluje, 250,000 je prebjeglo pod hrvatskom vojskom koja ih je dalje gonila kroz Bosansku Krajinu.

Dalje, znaj da je preko 300,000 Srba emigriralo iz Hrvatske u periodu 1945-1990. I to ako se oduzmu svi imigranti. Nazalost, mislim da Hrvatski politicari nikada nece to prihvatiti i ispraviti.

Za Bosnu je druga prica. Tu cemo se postarati da sve prodje Evropski i da ponistimo sve zlocine budala iz 1990s. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 15:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Greater Serbia

I'm interested in why you consider the Kingdom of Yugoslavia a Greater Serbia and what do you percisely mean by that? All the best! --HolyRomanEmperor 21:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sto ne odgovori? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Jer nemam dodat ništa šta većma nisi čuo. Jakiša Tomić 22:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Eh, ali svi mi daju drukcije price. :) Htio bih cuti od svakoga - svacija rijec vazi. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Ramones article

Thanks for your work on the Ramones article. I removed that confusing phrase referencing Richie Ramone that was tacked on to the end of Johhny's entry because I couldn't make sense of it. Thanks for clarifying that and for expanding the section.--Lwieise -=- Talk to Me 08:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: da Silva

Pa pogledaj i ti :) Recimo duple zastavice na FC Barcelona ili Real Madrid. Ne tvrdim nista kategoricki, ali ako postoji mogucnost da se stave obje, zasto ne.

Osim toga je moguce da on nije promijenio nacionalnost nego da ima dvojno drzavljanstvo ako Brazil ima tako nesto, ali ne znam je li to slucaj. --Joy [shallot] 23:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Ma nisu sve katalonske, pogledaj malo bolje, ima i drugih. --Joy [shallot] 00:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Jezik Srba u Hrvatskoj

Jasno mi je što želiš reći, međutim, prema popisu iz 2001., većina Srba u Hrvatskoj izjasnila se da im je materinski jezik hrvatski, a manjina (najviše u istočnoj Slavoniji) - srpski (to su po svoj prilici oni koji govore ekavski srpski). Tako bi trebalo i stajati u članku, a jednog dana vjerojatno i hoće. --Elephantus 20:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

A što njihovi susjedi Hrvati koji isto govore ekavski i isti lokalni idiom govore srpski?! Luka Jačov 20:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Da, naravno. Pa zar ne znas da u istocnoj Slavoniji postije skole na srpskom jeziku? --Ante Perkovic 07:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Mala napomena, za Luku: Svatko govori jezikom koji zna i želi govoriti i naziva taj jezik onako kako hoće. Svaka je osoba stručnjak za sebe, za vlastiti jezik i ime toga svog jezika. Zbroj ovih pojedinačnih odluka stvara jezične zajednice koje se onda opisuju na Wikipediji. Izjave u smislu "ljudi su glupi i nemaju pojma, a ja sam pametan i znam" na Wikipediji nemaju smisla. --Elephantus 07:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Uredu je to sve što govoriš, ali sam ja mislio da jezik, za razliku od narodnosti, nije stvar izjašnjavanja nego lingvističke prosudbe, ali sam se očito prevario ako se ljudi na popisima stanovništva izjašnjavaju o tome kojim jezikom govore. Jakiša Tomić 18:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Problem je u tome što na području gotovo svih slavenskih jezika (a i nekih germanskih i romanskih) postoje takozvani dijalektalni kontinuumi – nema oštrog prijelaza u govoru lokalnog stanovništva iz jednog jezika u drugi koji bi odgovarao njihovoj jezičnoj pripadnosti. Zbog toga se jezična pripadnost oblikuje ne samo kroz govor ljudi nego i kroz utjecaj veće jezične zajednice - npr. Poljaci i Slovaci na poljsko-slovačkoj granici govore vrlo sličnim narječjem, a ipak jedni govore (ili tvrde da govore) poljskim, a drugi slovačkim, štoviše, njihov se govor i oblikuje u tom smjeru, jer se jedni obrazuju u školama svoje države, gledaju svoju televiziju, čitaju svoje novine i dr., a drugi sve te utjecaje primaju iz one druge države. --Elephantus 07:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Odgovor

Pa par njih mi je već predložilo da budem administrator. :) Ipak, nemam vremena za to. Procedura za postajanje administratorom je komplikovana, a uz to bih imao i suviše posla, morao bih da rešavam sporove i da pomažem ljudima oko stvari koje me ne zanimaju previše. Pored toga, ionako imam preko 600 članaka koje nadgledam, pa stvarno ne bih mogao sve to da postignem da sam još administrator. :) Funkcije možda lepo zvuče, ali su one pre svega drugog obaveza, a ja baš ne volim obaveze. U svakom slučaju, hvala na ponudi. PANONIAN (talk) 00:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:vidimo se

Eh, pa ja bar mjesec dana provedem u Hrvatskoj svake god'ne. :)))

Ohrabrujem te da ostanes, i ne odes - time nista neces postici.

Za C-c-c-c-a nijesam znao nista. Ja sam ovdje glavni za upozoravanje Balkanaca, a pogotovo Jugoslovena, pa treba mi samo reci (sad assessiram C-c-c-c-a).

Nadam se da ces odlucit da ostanes. Bog! --HolyRomanEmperor 18:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Tesla article

Huge changes are being administered to the Tesla article, and as I can see you don't agree with that. Please help me revert any major changes your see take place unless they are discussed on talk first. Thanks. We also have to deal with potential groupie editors: [1] 65.11.245.97 02:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Hvala

Hvala za Barnstar. Slažem se da trebamo članak od Tesle da popravimo. Pozdrav. C-c-c-c 01:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Nema veze...

Nema problema hvala Vam na informaciji.

Kseferovic 21:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad

... that you decided to stay. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 18:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Slunj, not Sinj

I have corrected my error, as you might see. The data is correct and was already present. The fact that I corrected myself as soon as I noticed the error can tell you how wrong you are. Also, note that threatening with wikistalking (which is something that can earn you a ban) is far from civil behavior.

Ok. A bespotrebni komentar "Sinjska Alka" može tebi donijet mržnju Sinjana koji ti ništa nisu napravili. Jakiša Tomić 19:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)