User talk:Sj

Esteemed visitor : talk may be refactored, excerpted, summarized, archived, or deleted. Carpe diem! --the Mgmt.

Propter fratres meos, et proximos meos...

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..:try to focus:..

Summarized discourse

Comments in Articles: if there were a "this article is woefully incomplete" instead of a "this article may be NPOV" tag, I would use that.

When a talk page gets too long, the usual solution is to move old comments to an archive page...add a link from the top of the main talk page to the archive -- uriber

please no comments in articles... Viajero 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

maybe I'll make my own "This article's completeness and coverage is disputed" MediaWiki message. +sj +

Wiktionary: I was more excited about wiktionary before I looked at it closely... needs more design work. Stan 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Yes. I wish everything had been preserved as part of w'pedia. Most arts *have definitions*; most defs need art links. What gives me hope for the project is, as with this one, the generosity of the contributors; cf. gems like this concise radical index for chinese characters.

Song lyrics: www.lyrics.ch was raided and shut down by Swiss police (WP link? --Ed.) RickK 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

thanks, Rick. I assume short excerpts are, as always, alright? I left in a sample chorus.

I think an excerpt is okay under "fair use". RickK 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Arab-Isr NPOV: Why, thank you! -Alex S 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Meetup: pls merge Meetup.com into Meetup. --Minesweeper Feb 28, 2004 (UTC) Take a look at m:redirect. (done, thanks! -sj +)

Wikipedia:Pages needing attention : Can any pages you've worked on, listed on this page, be removed? --Zoney 14:59, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Nice Pages : Your user and talk pages are very prettyful. :-) ugen64 Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk: Math 1.0 : Look there. User: ilya ("there": 'your turn to add to the list!' --Ed)
Featured article candidates : Hmm, you moved articles up into uncontested, but some still have objections. fabiform 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for getting back to me. I'll get around to rereading the Madrid bombings article in the next few days, it's upsetting so I'm not going to rush myself. Cheers, fabiform 31 Mar 2004 (UTC).

Tlön, Uqbar : (Please reply at Talk:Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius or on my talk page). -- Jmabel 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Opposition removed, and congrats! +sj+

Bohm : thanks for edit @ "bohm dialogue", pit it AT thinkgs.net May 2004
Which position? : Thanks for the question, still deciding. By the end of today... Angela May 7, 2004 (UTC)
Photo : If I had any idea what you were talking about, perhaps I would be amused or intrigued or something. :) moink 17 May 2004 (UTC)
ZH : Sj, I think the approach being tried now is to send letters to contacts within China that might have some sway. Fuzheado | Talk 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hello... : I wouldn't mind help with Noted_translators! -- Simonides 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You read Borges do you :) ? -- Simonides 06:30, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

AMA : In the future AMA might have some kind of training program for advocates.User:Alex756
Lottery : Sorry, better luck next time. silsor.

You do win the award for most intriguing user page. Is being in your "almost anti-gall" list a good thing? Angela.

You're in good company. I'm not sure how things would work if all hero[in]es around here were pure anti-gall.

IRC : Please anonymise logs! Thx. --Angela.

Awaiting Updates

Hillis: I emailed Ben Goertzel about whether the Danny Hillis article was a copyright violation. Angela . 11:46, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Much obliged. [wonder what happened... --Ed.]

High-Energy Metaphysics?: High-Energy Metaphysics <-- (request) JWSchmidt 04:28, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Google Wikipedia

I'll try to think of something encyclopedic to say on the subject... ... ... ...+sj +

International Wikistats page

Hi Sj, I'll ask Shaihulud to add those languages. He runs the scripts on a weekly basis, since I do not have server access. Erik Zachte 11:04, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[Update? --Ed.]

Six things

Wikipedia:Multilingual_coordination
Wikistats language list: How best to encourage that this page be updated?
- Try asking Erik Zachte (done)
Combined recent changes -- are there little tools for tracking recent changes or watchlists across multiple WP languages?
- Unfortunately not. Maybe one day. People have certainly suggested it in the past.
Stats queries -- is there a place to request further stats queries? For instance, "Articles edited by more than 10 non-bot users", "Articles present in more than 3 languages", &c.
- Wikipedia:Scripting requests (first 2 requested)
List of non-transient users -- is there some way to see a list of users with a) a user-page or b) more than a few edits? The bulk of non-contributing users makes using the Users special page difficult.
- I expect it's possible with some SQL query requests but you'd need to convince a developer to run it as it would likely be quite database intensive. (x)
New bot action -- Is there a place to request a new bot / bot features? There are a number of specific regexp search-and-replaces I would suggest.
- The people who run PyWikipediaBot would be the best people to ask. PyWikipediaBot is the closest thing we have to an "official Wikipedia bot". They have a mailing list you could ask on. (on hold)

Hope that helps. Angela . 23:58, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC) (Yes(x6). Thank you. +sj +)

Origins of the American Civil War

Beautiful work on Origins of the American Civil War!! It's downright elegant! To get an idea about how pleasantly surprised I am, take a look at the crude 8/03 two-part division of the History of the Soviet Union article. Thanks again. Great user pages too! 172 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I find your solution interesting. Since you fixed the size issue, the article is now going through the FA nomination process again. --mav 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Update : The subject of reorganizing Origins of the American Civil War has come up on the mailing list. I'm really concerned about Mav and Bryan Derksen's proposals. I'd really appreciate your thoughts. 172 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for the kind words about my copy edits. It's really inspired me! You, by the way, have nothing less than the coolest user pages I've ever seen. Thank you again! jengod 09:31, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)

awww shucks. if dec's busy, you can go to the sock hop with me anytime.

bf mods

Wow nice user page man! Like the talk comment thing. Yea I hear ya on the mod stuff-things link to random links, disambig issues. I [wondered] if there was a standard like just (mod), (computer game mod), or (BF1942 game). A lot of mods cross multiple engines... Let me know if you have any more ideas for standerdizing disambigs for this stuff. Greyengine5 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Alexa reference site

Someone was asking over at Wikipedia_talk:Announcements why Alexa don't list us as a reference site yet... I believe it is you that made contact originally. Do you think the time is right nudge them again? Thanks. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 11:45, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Indeed. No response though.

Hi, I noticed you have me down as a minor villian with the tag "imp+++". I decrypted this as meaning "very impatient". This is the only thread I remember having with you.. maybe it pissed you off somehow? Yours intrigued, Pete/Pcb21 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Not at all; you were also once severely provoked by trolls, in public. Perhaps on IRC? In any case, lest there be any confusion, you rock. (: villiany is far more ambivalent than villainy. +sj +

Isaac Newton

I understand the need to break up the overlong page at Isaac Newton in depth -- couldn't you have used titles that didn't violate the naming standards for articles? Rmhermen 14:35, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)

My suggestions for naming/format standards : long article layout. +sj 2004 Apr 12 (UTC)

Trust metrics

Complicated...
It looks kind of complicated. I don't know if that's because it is, or just because I've been travelling too long and have lost the ability to think. I'll try to give a better answer tomorrow, but just wanted to say I'm not ignoring the question. Hope you had a nice Easter. Angela . 19:40, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)

More awake now, and a more coherent response is at User talk:Sj/mattersofpolicy. Angela . 11:55, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. And even more discussion now from others... great. +sj + 15:03, 2004 Apr 21 (UTC)

Eggs!

Hello. That is neat that you have the egg logo on your page. I should tell Guigui that several en users are liking his logos, because it raised such an uproar on fr in december, that he is hardly with us anymore. thank you for your trust on the steward matter :-) And for the "A dash of gracious impulsiveness" as well :-) I hope we can improve meta together :-) I feel happy that someone is interested :-)SweetLittleFluffyThing 06:11, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Why did people complain? they wanted some variants for their own religious denominations? and you're welcome. +sj +

Tarquin said it was not neutral. He said he would stop contributing as long as the logo was there (that was the christmas logo).

Re:ViP

It should be archived. If you absolutely must slim, slim by copying to an archive page, and leaving the headers only on this page under a section called "Archived alerts". So it would be "Archived alerts", and then a list of IPs/Usernames, and a clear link to the archive page where the full debates are kept. This preserves quick-referencing of checking old IPs. Snowspinner 14:45, 7 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. I was careful, but stopped after you mentioned it. (The full original comments are always there in the edit history!) +sj 2004 May 7 (UTC)

Press corps

Sj, I find your idea of the press corp intriguing. Would be nice to see a list of events covered or stories of success. Also your mention of power structures is related to something that I've wanted to pursue -- the nature of social power in WP. Have we started anything on that in meta or en before? Fuzheado 22:35, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Now we have. See your talk page. +sj +

Docuan tables

Wikipedia:WikiProject Numbers : "Docuan table" began to be used in the edit summaries of users (other than User:Docu) who added such tables to existing number articles. User:Sabbut came up with a similar, though more colorful, format, for the number articles in the Spanish Wikipedia, and that is sometimes referred to as "tabla de Sabbut" in edit summaries in the Spanish Wikipedia. PrimeFan 19:18, 16 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Phantasie

I replied on my page :-) Fantasy 11:51, 19 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

In need of community support

I'm in need of community support. --172

I don't really know who you are, so I can't tell if your "vote" at RfC/172 was made in good faith or not (in most other cases, I do know). If it was, I'm guessing you don't understand what this conflict is about. V V 11:41, 30 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Any advice would be much-appreciated. As of now, I have no idea how to avoid this problem. 172 12:42, 30 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice; I'll take it (see [1]). BTW, should I write a note on my user page explaining why I'll be avoiding meta discussions? 172 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think it was somewhat successful. +sj

Personal attacks on the mailing list
Thanks for your response to Fred on the mailing list noting the references in the article. 172 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Featured Article Candidates

Your objections on FAC are tremendously nitpicky and stress-inducing. I approve of this wholeheartedly ;-) - David Gerard 18:59, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Stress inducing isn't a good thing as it de-motivates editors. Good feedback and finding errors others don't see however, is critical to making truly great articles. With that in mind please note the responses to your objections and offer clarification at FAC Supply and Demand - Taxman 17:07, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)

Speaking of which, replies to my replies on Mission Earth would be welcomed - David Gerard 19:59, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments on the US government articles. I don't mind nitpicking, nor would I be in a position to do so, as I occasionally do the same. -- Emsworth 00:10, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

UN lobby

I noticed you changed to #wikipedia topic to some info about wikipedia in the UN lobby. I was wondering if you have some more concrete info. Burgundavia 08:21, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

Yes indeed... see the intro to m:Golden Nica Awards 2004. +sj +

Falcon K. and RfA

Not a reason for removal;

Sure it is. "Nominations may also be removed early if the current voting makes it clear that there will be no consensus to grant adminship." The "current voting" (1/5/1, no activity in two days) made it clear that there would be no consensus to grant adminship.

In conclusion, I'm not going to fight you on this. Have it there if it's that important to you. But it doesn't really belong there, according to me, the numerous people (including numerous admins) I asked beforehand on IRC, and...

Translations

See the International archive.

Copyediting

Sj- I haven't looked through enough of the 'pedia to select pages needing copyediting the most, so I will go along with your suggestions. I know that you will find German articles written in English, by Germans, in Biology. That was another group you pointed out as particularly needing copyediting.

I intend to post something on the mailing lists, both pointing out that copyediting is different than other types of validation and requesting volunteers.

Some problems I foresee:

The selection and access to copyediting reference books. For Nupedia, we used The Chicago Manual of Style for American English, as well as, Garner's Dictionary of Modern American Usage. And, for British English, we used Fowler's Modern English Usage. In Wikipedia, since we have multiple authors, American and British English are mixed :-).
In Wikipedia. our articles are a mix of American and British English. There are major differences between the two in punctuation and spelling!!!
Copyediting does not seem to need a scale to evaluate articles, just a simple "Yes/No."
Copyeditors do not need content knowledge to copyedit an article.
Copyediting will be strange with no author to appeal to for disambiguation of content, clarification of content, etc.

I welcome your feedback. RoseParks 23:30, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes. I think it was decided somewhere that either Am or Br spelling is alright, but it has to be consistent within an article. We can note which is the native tongue of each editor, to properly match up final reviewers with articles.

Please explain about the [punctuation] -- I am surprised to hear it, and have yet to notice.... Speaking of which, we should probably draft a quick addition to the current Wikipedia:style manual, noting the convention for all kinds of silly things, such as em-dashes (in what character set? substitute -- when necessary, or just a single hyphen?), ellipses (three or four dots at the end of a sentence?), &c. (use an ampersand in &c., write out etc., or either? disallow parentheticals after sentence-ending abbreviations, due to final-stop ambiguities?).

These don't matter much, but it would be nice to start building a structure which could eventually produce a stylistically self-consistent volume. +sj +

If I recall, CMS does not allow parentheticals, after sentence ending abbreviations. In fact, CMS distinguishes between parenthetical phrases enclosed in commas, dashes, and parentheses, within sentences. I have to check this.

RoseParks 03:23, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Punctuation Differences between AME and BR :

Sj - I finally got this together. As you can see (below), Garner had the most complete entry. I went to some online British newspaper sites in hopes of seeing these rules supported, but they were not. I really have to find a BRE source that does use these conventions.

Is this familiar to you? [Ed. Note: I have always been confused about this.]

(Based on Garner. A Dictionary of Modern English Usage, 1998) (Supported by Fowler. Modern English Usage, 1998)

Inline quotations

In AME quotations that are inline are set off by pairs of double quotation marks. For example:

He said. “Your next assignment is an essay.”

In BRE, quotations that are inline are set off by single quotation marks. For example:

He said, ‘Your next assignment is an essay’.

Nested Quotes

In AME, double quotation marks are used for the first quotation; single quotation marks are used for a quotation within a quotation; double quotation for further quotation inside that; etc. For example:

Joan said, “We will sing ‘God save the Queen.’”

In BRE, the practice is the exactly the reverse at each step. For example:

Joan said, ‘We will sing “God save the Queen”.’

Closing Quotation Marks with a Period or Comma

In AME, it is usual to place a period or comma within the closing quotation mark, whether or not the punctuation so placed is actually part of the quoted matter. For example:

“Joan said, ‘We will sing “God save the Queen.”’”

“She looked back on her school years as being ‘unmitigated misery.’”

In BRE, the closing quotation mark comes before any punctuation marks, unless these marks form part of the quotation itself (or what is quoted is less than a full sentence in its own right). For example:

‘She looked back on her school years as being “unmitigated misery”.’

‘Joan said, “We will sing ‘God save the Queen’.”’

Quotations that are Interrupted to Indicate the Speaker

In AME, the first comma is placed within the quotation mark. For example:

“Sally,” he said, “is looking radiant today.”

In BRE, the first comma remains outside the quotation mark. For example:

‘Sally’, he said, ‘is looking radiant today’.

RoseParks 03:28, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Arbcom questions

A quick - OK, actually, probably a long question regarding your candidacy for the arbcom. How do you think you would have ruled/would rule in the following cases?

Thanks for the questions, Snowspinner. In general, I think there are a few broad authorisations/recommendations which will be referenced by many arbitrations; I will respond briefly, and later come back and generalize. +sj +

Key:
RPA - Remove personal attacks (with prejudice). Any editor may remove/rv aggressive or offensive comments (particularly on user/talk pages) by this user, with great leeway. Taking time to extract meaningful comments from insults is encouraged, but not required. Entire comments may be rv'ed for abusive tone and embedded insults, in contrast with the milder version of RPA that applies to everyone.
Bans: Ban duration and specific reason are, as with any bans, at the discretion of the banning admin, save where otherwise specified.
PA Ban - Personal attack bans: User may be banned for making personal attacks against other editors.
Art Ban - Article bans: User may be banned for editing [a specific set of] articles
Talk Ban - User may be banned for editing [a specific set of] talk pages
EL Ban - External link bans: User may be banned for adding [specific] external links to articles [and other pages]
Flags: User added to special list / user contribs added to special public watchlist/flagged in RC. For public recognition of disruptive activity/trolling, enhanced RC patrolling.

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Irismeister 2
1. [2], the link in the RfA, highlights emotional, disruptive contributions.
- Final decisions were good; but overly detailed, took a month too long to produce, and remain marked 'interim' two months later. This might have been a routine response by the AC, authorising a PA Ban (admins) and RPA (all editors).
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mr-Natural-Health
1. 'Abusive... combative edits'. many persistent examples.
2. Does not play well with others. From the AC page itself: "My original objective on Wikipedia was accomplished on day one... prov[ing] my mental superiority to those of the science bigots on Wikipedia... While I would love to continue wasting huge amounts of time dealing with morons and bigots on Wikipedia, I happen to have a life... My original characterization of the gang of thugs on Wikipedia has been proven correct over and over again."
3. David Gerard, who brought up the RfA, expresses the standard confounding desire: "He knows a huge amount about the area and could possibly contribute brilliantly" -- but the desire for expert contributors should not trump the need for a functioning, polite community.
- Authorise RPA, a PA Ban, and perhaps a 3-month subject-area Art Ban -- disallowing edits to alt-medicine articles, but allowing comments on Talk pages -- that is, where not removable via RPA.
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Wik2
1. An excellent example of being hamstrung by slow process, and of excessive legalism.
2. Wik had clearly having a negative impact on the project, by offending so many over such small matters. At the same time, he was a fantastically prolific contributor. Since part of the case against him was made by the kind of POV vandals that he so successfully helped deter from editing WP, the AC should have acted on the separate case against Cantus first, with a quick rebuff to Cantus, before acting on Wik2.
3. As for a remedy for Wik, I think again that giving all admins wider leeway in how they exercise case-by-case judgment would have been better than decreeing some punishment for things already past. Allowing any minor infraction to be grounds for a short (two-hour?) ban -- say, any revert of a non-anon user without comments on the relevant article or user Talk: page -- might have been more appropriate.
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paul Vogel
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mav v. 168
1. By the time this finally came to arbitration, it was too late for the AC to have responded appropriately. The best they could have done was to have recognized 168's value to the project, and without extracting an apology from mav, quickly issued a very positive set of neutral statements (rather than the ambivalent set of neutral statements they eventually released), while 168 was in the mood for reconciliation. Then mav and 168 might have reconciled in private.
2. The time for the AC to have acted is noted in the presentation of the case:
  On February 14 [after temporarily desysopping 168...] ... Tim Starling requested review of his action by either Jimbo or the arbitration committee and advice on "whether it should be permanent? Or if not, what the term should be?"
3. At this point, a fast-moving AC might have responded (recognizing that this would have to be temporary, if 168 were to be retained as a contributor) with some reasonable suggestion; as it had been demonstrated that 168 could be desysopped, it would have been a good time for someone other than TimStarling to have had a friendly discussion with him about coping with WikiStress and editors who try to push one's buttons. Mediators and AMA members might have been particularly useful here.

Thanks very much. Snowspinner 17:43, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)

I wish you the best of luck in this month's Arbitration Committee election. May the best Wikipedian win! --Merovingian Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)

AC comments

even if you wren't sitting here twisting my arm, I'm sure you'd make a good arbitration comissar. :-) (Zvikit)

I feel I'm not active enough on En:... Aliter

I voted at a time disadvantageous to you! Is it possible to vote a second time? --Jerzy (see above. --Ed.)

I've been a user for less than three months! -- Simonides

Thanks for participating in the ArbCom elections. Hatchet buried. Danny 00:47, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Any time. I'm giving your apology a special place right here:

[13|20:46] <dannyisme> then i apologize with all my soul for failing to overlook 
your [orthographically correct description] behavior regarding the lowly comma

Summaries

I was just about to leave you a message about the project when I saw your message to me. Yes, I read the New York Times (incl. Book Review from beginning to end), Newsweek, Smithsonian, and The Periodical of Punctuation regularly, and several others randomly. I have also been thinking of subscribing to Mother Jones. I like the idea. Danny 00:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh heavens, not another Period Pun zealot. That explains a lot, Danny. The Book Review would be a great place to start improving our lit articles, of course. And we need a few Mother Jones and Jane's Electronics readers, too, maybe even some Mainline Lady subscribers... +sj +

Wikisummaries: why not? but change the name.-S V 06:20, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes. :) S V 17:40, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Critical Mass

Raul654 has stated that the FAD chooses Wikipedia:Tomorrow's featured article. Note that the queue element {{Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}}} makes it possible to propose any number of articles, with their prototypes, including the Day After Tomorrow, etc. The proposals could be on the talk pages of the choice pages, for example. It appears that Raul654 does not yet wish to contest choice pages for the Day After Tomorrow, or the Days after that. Since Wikipedia:Featured article policy is still a red link, it would take only a Critical Mass of interested parties to set precedent or policy. Check out the Archive link below. It is really a queue of past, present and future Thus, the queue bypasses the Single Point of Failure. Only the Policy which is currently red, could choke it off. Perhaps Zocky could aid here.

Regards, Ancheta Wis 15:29, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[Archive link in current-day's template?] -- {{Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}}}

Look, followers!

Multilingual Communication

Hey sj, Jamesday pointed me to you on irc #wikimedia. I have a way of making people work in multiple languages on a contents of a page. Take a look at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/community/MultilingualExperiment. It misses languagefiltering in the edit mode still. But for reading it works fine. A good deal of translation coming off, automatic pretranslation like described on http://wikifeatures.wiki.taoriver.net/moin.cgi/AutomaticTranslation and we've got it MattisManzel 11:08, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've always known it would happen someday

The all-Sj* article history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Scansoft&action=history

(: Are you from Massachusetts? +sj + 04:52, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It was only a matter of time before the two Sj*s collided :) And no, I am not from Massachusetts; I am from Cornwall, perhaps the sublimest place on the planet... Sjc 07:19, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC) PS You should refactor your page as per your statement at top of page; page size impacts server performance :)

Meeting in Linz

I really sorry. It isn't easier to encourage people from far away to come, when they're in Spain for vaccation - with a bunch of daughters AND a wife! -- Robodoc.at 22:33, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

On 6th und 7th September there are 3 events at the Ars Electronica Festival in Linz related to Wikipedia. Maybe we can meet us afterwards. Please make a note about this two days. See more on de:Wikipedia:Treffen der Wikipedianer/Linz --- Mikegr 08:11, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales will come to Linz at the AEF and we have your own meeting point there. If you want to visit an event and can help at the electrolobby I can offer you tickets for free. See more on the Linz page Mikegr 21:53, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Multilingual Communication

Translated and put on the German Wikipedia. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Mehrsprachige_Kommunikation. On the English Wikipedia it was rightaway put into Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multilingual_communication . No reaction there yet. Seems a deadend. What do you think? MattisManzel 15:34, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Languages, AC

Please vote in the Arb Comm elections+!

Also, how is your language project coming? I have some old texts which could be used as sources for vocab words; you might also investigate the Wikiversity enthusiasts to find more interested editors.

+sj + 12:52, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for the information. I find it a bit puzzling to see a partisan editor like Sam Spade as a candidate.

The language project has not recently advanced significantly other than for my personal aim of learning catalan. Where can I contact wikiversity enthusiasts? Get-back-world-respect 18:23, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Genital Integrity

Your cut and paste move to Talk:Genital Integrity from Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Genital Integrity and deletion of the latter is a newbie mistake that suggests a big fault in our methods of choosing and training admins. Please

stop doing deletions,
write me back saying you've done so,
go do some reading, and
especially if you get frustrated in your reading, ask me some questions.

No doubt you're a better admin than it looks from my current perspective, but somebody's got to get you straightened out, and even if that's not me, i also see myself as responsible for ensuring someone does. So while hopefully i won't be in your face like this for long, please expect me to be a little in your hair for a while. [smile]

At the moment, i gotta run, but i'll be back on for probably at least half of the next 7 hours.

TIA, yr colleague, Jerzy (t) 22:07, 2004 Aug 11 (UTC)

Whew! I sure hope we can get you to run our admin boot-camp when we set one up; it seems as though you were born to it. +sj + 09:07, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The newbie mistake has nothing to do w/ VfD, other than that's where you did it.

Never move a whole page by cutting and pasting.

This is a neat aspect of Templates which wasn't even considered back when VfD was restructured -- the ability to reduce CNP. +sj +

Follow the "move" link on any article page, and read the bolded clause above "Move page" near the title pane. I remember it as clearer than that, so it may have been recently garbled. But i'm amazed you haven't ever read it carefully enough to ask what it's about, which is fundamental.

Here, 30 sec. effort: Wikipedia:Move couldn't be more memorable a (redirect) title.

Your case is not explicitly described there; yours has two better solutions that i can think of right off:

Link from the talk page to either the VfD subpage or a renamed title for it (probably Talk:Genital Integrity/Delete). This is doubly good, bcz it keeps the over-32K VfD discussion from overwhelming the talk page.
Use the Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves method despite its disclaimer (which takes a position inadequate to support GFDL), keeping a record of the two pre-merge histories, in the applicable talk page, so the mixing that How-to-fix... refers to does not yield "thorough confusion". (If you ask, i'll find you cases where i've done this.) In this case, this would be an interim step: putting all the talk together, before splitting it up into current talk and several archives.

What should have been obvious to you is that you tried to throw away 105 edits worth of edit history, much of it by IPs who didn't sign. Not acceptable.

You also should be able to deduce from either the constant creation of redirects by moves, or RfD policy and discussions, that a title must never disappear just because someone lacks the imagination to see what use it could be. (One did when you did the delete.)

I repeat my request: please state to me that you will stop doing deletions until your admin peers are satisfied that you know what you are doing.

--Jerzy (t) 06:31, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)

Tnx, 1st & foremost for your continued civility while (in hindsight, quite properly) holding firm against my pretty strong pushing. (And of course tnx for info too obvious and numerous to enumerate.) I withdraw my pushy request, as it's now clear the problem was not in what seemed the obvious area.

There's plenty we still disagree about, but no issue i have a need to pursue, here or necessarily ever or anywhere.

As to VfD, i've discussed it without clearly expressing a view bcz, as should be much clearer within 12 hours, i don't have a strong view and am much more concerned with eliminating policy ambiguity that i think has created the conflict.

I kicked myself the other day for discussing two subjects under a heading applicable to only one, but here i go again:
you've forced me to rethink the "rde"s again, and they may end after another experiment. But for now: i have a narrow 'Net pipe and do things like reloading VfD once a day (and never editing any entry newer than 24 hours). I'm overdue to archive my talk page; when i get new talk items, i ideally (1) look at the history page to get a hint, (2) if necessary look at the last difs but hit escape before the whole "current version" arrives, and (3) use a "Last" or "Next" link in my bookmarks to edit the section in question (specified by section number, with the links updated in theory every time a new section is added, but sometimes hand-edited in the browser URL pane). I'll (4) add a link targetting the "sender's" talk page if i don't see one, or add a blank at the end of a line, (5) Preview the section in order to read it formatted, (6) follow the link in a new window to reply, (7) save the edit, in order to convince the server that i've viewed the page, but (8) close the window before it can load the page. And (9) being so convinced, the server stops giving me "You've Got Mail!" banners for the edit i've already dealt with (without my waiting for the page to load), so the next one really means there's something new.

What you've stimulated me to rethink is whether it's the edit that does the convincing, or whether just asking for the page (linking to my talk page and closing the window after counting to N) would do the job (without cluttering the history and weighing down the poor database, which last i knew stores full copies of each version rather than a small number and many diffs). In fact, i may have just done a different experiment that settles it: i think asking for a section edit did the "reset", without my saving it. (More confusing than you'd guess, bcz IIRC when you view the history of your talk page, there's no banner, even tho other pages opened after it still do. Or did i let myself be confused by unrefreshed pages that of courese still have the banner? [Drops a handul of hair in the wastebasket!]) Takes a certain steadiness of purpose to experiment, since logging out & editing your own talk page seems excessive.

Your comments welcome if your interest is not already exceeded. [smile]
--Jerzy (t) 19:20, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)

VfD cleanups

Thanks for restoring those two discussion pages. I'll try to do some more clean-up tonight. By the way, I'd appreciate your thoughts on the deletion process. I found what I considered a pretty significant oversight to it and did an overhaul last night. Thanks. Rossami

DNC Objection

So far we have a total of four out of thirteen images on the 2004 DNC article that are GNU licensed. Will that be enough for you to withdraw your objection? Please strike it out on the Featured Article Canidates page if so. Thanks. Nevermind, it was just promoted anyway. --Gregb 17:31, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Good! I found some more also; will add soon. +sj + 22:15, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Business Ethics

I read your note on Business Ethics needing attention and left a message in the discussion section volunteering to reshape it. (Wish me luck).--Psients 19:02, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Tools

Hello Sj! As I see you have created the page Wikipedia:Tools as I suggested - thank you very much! (or was it just coincidence?) How to you plan to work on this? Can I help you? And: Where should this page be linked?

In case you didn't see it: I also posted here: [3];

-- 84.128.104.197 20:02, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb)

I will help you with the translation if I can - I'll be offline over the weekend, though, so don't get impatient. I'll get back to you, or if I don't, just prod me a little...

BTW: if we are going to work on this together, we should coordinate over a faster medium - IRC, maybe? What Timezone are you in? I'm on CEST (UTC +0200), but still awake after Midnight... -- 84.128.104.197 23:37, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb)

Hi Sj! The translation of the tools-page has come some way now - would you link to it in the appropriate places? Maybe then we would also get some more help translating (at the moment, i do a little chunk every few days). Thanks, -- 217.82.181.205 18:38, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb)

Huh???

Hey,

What do you mean about an entire wp named after me. Anyway, I will be back in Sept. Life is kind of crazy right now.

Burgundavia 00:41, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

Well, there's a Bg: wikipedia. That's all (:

Re: Rail stubs

Thanks for the suggestions...

The reason I'm treating each model separately is so that if I or someone else wants to add more information, photos, drawings, etc. on a specific model, it can be done without causing undue confusion. If all of the models are listed and described on the same page, I'm afraid things will eventually get too cluttered. The articles on the newer models (Dash-8 and Dash-9 series, etc.) will be a bit more detailed as I have better information on them, as well as personal observations.

Hi there!

magius

Press release

Since you're listed on the Wikimedia Press Team, I wanted to let you know (though you may already be aware) that we're working on a 1,000,000-article press release. I'm hoping to get the press release written by 7 September, then allow a week for translation, as we should reach the milestone mid-September. Right now we're working at Wikimedia press releases/One million Wikipedia articles if you want to join us. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. --Michael Snow 22:57, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wikimedia newsletter translations

Hi Sj, you wrote the following on my talk page: "Do you have time this month to help keep an eye on translations of a Wikimedia newsletter?" - yes, I do have the time, but where do I find the newsletter (or isn't it written yet)? - Kaare 17:43, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

links to Cats

Here is what I have accumulated so far on Categories

Category theory

Template:Categorybrowsebar

I am mystified myself on why the categorizers don't chime in. It's a different mode of thinking from article writing. Jerzy had the best insight I have seen so far: A category should illuminate a relationship. Ryguasu has studied this subject in school and I wrote him a message appealing for help. Regards, Ancheta Wis 23:44, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Interested parties on refining the categories for the browsebar are invited to contribute to Category talk:Fundamental. I have copied the Main Page discussion on the categories to that talk page. Ancheta Wis 02:06, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia talk:Categorization for discussion on renaming Category:Fundamental and how to arrange the highest levels of the category system. —AlanBarrett 09:30, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I haven't gone away permanently.

I've been kind of burned out on life in general, just taking it easy. I haven't had any sort of anti-Wikipedia fit or anything, just didn't have the energy to do anything with it. Maybe someday I'll have the time/energy to do some more.... Thanks for saying hi... Noel 00:30, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

PS: I'm sure you'll be amused to hear that when I looked at your user page (curious), my head started to emit springs and gears. I'm a very straightfoward sort of person (see mine)... Noel 07:29, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

PPS: I was wandering around some dusty back alleys, and came across this:

in a flurry of preverts, Ril was inverted and cast from the cast of _Heavy En:_ into an archaeo-social list of helpful flames.

Very funny! Noel 02:57, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Edit attribution

Hi sj. Can you confirm that you want the edit from 68.163.192.38 reattributed to you? I don't see an edit by you to that page. Thanks — Kate Turner | Talk 07:40, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)

Press release translation

Thanks for your help, and your efforts to coordinate translations generally. I don't mind at all if people get a jump on translation, I just want to be sure that they do update translations to the final version. I will try and bring it to a final version soon, so that the translators can finish their work without worrying about last-minute changes. --Michael Snow 02:37, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

thank you for your warm welcome at wiki books - i did have a project on wikipedia but even my home/user page has been removed - ah well . . .

thanks again

Thanks

Hi,

Thanks a lot for your Birthday-message, it was really nice to read this today after waking up.

Thanks :-) Fantasy 容 11:45, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Re images: please reply soon, as I am going on vacation soon :-) Fantasy 容 14:22, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Arabic translation (Update)

Hi, I'm Ayman from the Arabic Wikipedia, the Arabic press release is almost done, we only need a couple of links and press contact info.

I'll post a message on ar: to start working on the newsletter, and maybe come up with something to put in "local projects" section too. --Ayman 02:48, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi again, I've translated the 1st page of the newsletter, and left Jimbo's letter as is (I'm supposed to do so, right?) Should I work on the remaining pages or wait for now? --Ayman 20:29, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Articles financiers

Bonjour Sj,

Il s'agit de monter en français un dossier transparent à l'intention des donateurs éventuels. Les articles en. sont énumérés ici :

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Wikipédia_et_l%27argent

Cependant, rien ne presse. Merci de me proposer ton aide. Roby 10:08, 2004 Sep 9 (UTC)

Press release changes

I have no problem with the creation of a separate British English version of the press release, although Chameleon could have done a better job of making it clear that he had left the original intact, instead of redirecting everyone to the "translated" version. I was fooled when I first went there, and obviously so were others. As for substantive changes to the text, in my opinion it should stay frozen. There are already people saying the press release is too long, and frankly they're right. It's inevitable that in a project like this, some people will have good ideas that there just isn't space to include, and we can't allow everyone who lobbies for a particular sentence to get their way. So I'm not thrilled about shoehorning stuff in after the writing part was supposed to be finished. I would prefer to let the translators do their work and have people start to focus on where to send the press release, instead of scribbling madly away on their exams after time has already been called. --Michael Snow 06:02, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Image:Hasu2.jpg

Did you forget to put copyright info + tag on Image:Hasu2.jpg or is it coming? Sorry if I'm too quick, just want to make sure it is not forgotten. — David Remahl 23:10, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)