Talk:Emir Kusturica

Missing link

His linkage to the band "The No Smoking Orchestra" is missing in the text, it is only visible from one image. Chris --80.134.151.130 22:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About inserting Emir's baptismal name into his full name

If you check out Category:Serbian_people, you will se that Serbs don't write their baptismal name in their full name. So, it is wrong to write "Emir Nemanja Kusturica". "Emir Kusturica" is sufficient. --Dijxtra 08:36, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Objective?

In The Widow of St. Pierre 2000, a movie by director Patrice Leconte, Kusturica, here in his first appearance as an actor, has little in the way of lines, but his eyes and body language speak volumes.

This doesn't seem all that objective to me?

Also, Nikolaidis - the writer who critisized Kusturica - is from Montenegro, not Bosnia.

I fixed the Nikolaidis thing, thanks for pointing that out... and as for the "body language speaks volumes", well dunno, it seems to violate NPOV a bit, but just I don't feel like modifying that sentence :-) --Dijxtra 17:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A.Nikolaidis is from Bosnia(born there(Sarajevo) in 1974).He went to Montenegro(Ulcinj)with his family(his father's side is originally from Ulcinj,while his mother's side from Sarajevo-Bosnia) in 1992.

Allocation of material

It's pretty ridiculous that close to one half of the article about a world famous director is devoted to what some attention-seeking two-bit columnist had to say about him. Nikolaidis' criticism is worthy of mention but it certainly doesn’t require this much space.Zvonko -- 20:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he is controversial... and I think the chapter summes up the controversy nicely. But, yes, you are right, more info on other aspects of Kusturica would be nice. It's just I don't know where to get any more info... --Dijxtra 20:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, if you log in, you can sign with ~~~~. This four characters wil then transform to this: Dijxtra 20:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to add more to the article you could talk about his work with the No Smoking Orchestra, it's only mentionned once in the article. --Red Star 01:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial lyrics

Last addition to the article is absurd. The song does not contain those lyrics at all.

I fought the law

The law fought me

Hey mr sheriff

Where I might be

I might have fun

In port of Amstredam

I might be a jerk

In City of New York

I might be close

I might be far

I might be a star

Over Kandahar

It's time to say goodbye oh my darling

Save your tears and give a kiss to our son

I hope the Northern star will be shining

I'm a wanted man and I'm on the run

Inquisition,

human rights division

Soul selling and buying

Cultural revision

Work out Rambo

And get those evil men

It all goes with burgers

Hollywood and CNN

I did a crime

I created fear

for a 1000 years

it's time…

If I was a pigon

You made me a falcon

Now I am falcon

over hills of Balkan

if I was a wisper

You made me a thunder

And I wonder and I wonder

Why you made me a thunder

And I wonder still I wonder

You need me as a thunder

See me in the papers

On the billboard paint

I was a sinner

You made me a saint

It'is time…

The old shepherd trick

For his sheep

The wolf as a stick

Makes them sleep

Makes them blind

Makes them sleep

Makes them silent

Makes them sleep

And when I find myself

Locked in prison

Mother Mary comes to me

Oh mother Mary who will be

Wanted man instead of me

It's time…

65.94.132.77 19:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I got it, on the live version, the song has this lyrics at the end. --Dijxtra 09:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The whole thing sounds very ridiculous so far. Initially, the story appeared in something called ‘Start BiH’, magazine that can, at best, be described as sensationalist.[1] The best strategy for selling papers in Sarajevo is sticking Kusturica on the cover, and this magazine being clearly aware of that used it to sell some copies (as they did on numerous prior occasions when they had him on the cover for no newsworthy reasons). Secondly, Start's story is clearly false in its core because they claimed the actual lyric appears in the song, which is definitely not true. That can be easily checked since the song’s lyrics are available on the net.

Around the same time, a few Croatian media outlets picked up the story. Some of them seem to suggest the sentence was actually delivered outside of the song, while others repeat the false ‘Bosnian story’ verbatim. None provided context nor did they state who allegedly said ‘the sentence’.

So, based on the available info so far, I don’t know if all of this is pure garbage, or in the case there is something to the story , who should the sentence be attributed to (Nele?, Kusturica?, bass player??, drummer????).

On top of everything, Nele himself rubbished the story in Blic yesterday.[2]

And… not to mention the fact that the sentence itself is almost nonsensical and as such actually does not clearly refer to any specific person. In the end I wouldn’t even be surprised if it turns out they have an accordion player or driver named Radovan, and used that to create a stir like they did with ‘the Marshal episode’ in 1984.Zvonko 20:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this is highly sensitive stuff. But, we're here to enforce NPOV and cite our sources. Sooo, we'll do that and see where the developement of this story takes us. If we just stick to Wikipedia guidelines, I'm sure we'll be fine. I'll add now that Nele demanted the story (as soon I read the article). BTW, I wouldn't be surprised to hear Emir say something like that, but Nele... I attend the same faculty as Sejo and I thought to go and ask Sejo if he thinks that Nele could do something like that. I mean, I don't think Nele would approve a song like that. But, then again, that's my POV...

And as for the lyric, the fact that the verse is not in the official lyrics means nothing... just remember Bregović's "a krist je bio kopile i jad" ;-) --Dijxtra 21:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I spoke to Sejo Sexon today. On my great surprise, he confirmed this and said he got the bootleg of the song 3 years ago. Now, this fact 1) is a hearsay, 2) doesn't exist in a written form. Therefore, it cannot be used as a reference. Therefore, I think it's best to keep the article as is (not to remove the paragraph, but not to add Sejo's remark as nobody except me heard it).

Sejo could not have heard the song three years ago, as the controversial lyric was sung in 2005, and is on the live album "Live is a miracle in Buenos Aires" ;) --estavisti 19:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno. I just said what he said. I mean, could be that it was sung prior to being released on live album. BTW, if it's released, why doesn't somebody buy it and check that out, once and for all? :-) --Dijxtra 19:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation?

Is the listed pronunciation (stress on the penultimate syllable) correct? I don't speak Serbian (C-S-B-M-etc.), but would rather expect something along the lines of the stress falling on first or second syllable. Could somebody in the know give it a look? Cheers -- 198.36.32.17 17:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Religious background.

"This is what Emir says about this: "My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks."" Well obviously, after he got married with his Serbian wife he decided to change his religion to orthodox. He only became Orthodox to survive his wife? He never had a problem with his religion until the war came, and when he married a serbian wife. Now after he's married his wife she obviously did everything she can to make him a real Serb. I myself am Atheist.

What is revival for Kusturica?

In some of his movies characters turn to be alive after being dead for some time. How does he explain it, what does he tell about it?