Talk:Post–September 11 anti-war movement

This was factored out of Left-wing politics, where it is now merely summarized; it got this long as the result of a successful attempt to solve an NPOV dispute, archived at Talk:Left-wing politics/Archive2. A more extensive version (and discussion) of the material about Violence against Jews at French anti-war rally can be found at Talk:Left-wing politics/Archive3. Some other discussion at Talk:Left-wing politics and its archived pages may also be relevant.

Right now, the portion of this related to the European anti-war movement seems to me to be slanted toward criticism of that movement, especially for ostensible antisemitism and a flirtation with Islamism based on third-worldist politics. I have labored hard to fix a similar bias in the U.S. sections. I don't know nearly as much about the European anti-war movement. I urge someone with knowledge of this movement to add material to correct the bias. I believe it is a matter of adding material, not removing it: what is there seems well-researched and well-cited. -- Jmabel 06:15, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)

I cannot find neutral that the subtitles allude the war protests were predominantly leftist. In most European countries majorities of more than 70% opposed the war, and you can hardly say that Europe is a leftist continent. The conservatives even have the strongest position in the European Parliament. Furthermore, the influence of Muslems in European anti-war rallies was minimal, focussing on that and alleged antisemitism is clearly not neutral. Get-back-world-respect 12:53, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Interesting. As you can see from my paragraph immediately before yours, I'm inclined to agree. Most of this content is MathKnight's, originally at left-wing politics; I simply edited it for style and English grammar and refactored it to this article. I'll repeat what I said above: I think the remedy is to add balancing material, rather than to remove his well-cited descriptions of specific incidents, etc. -- Jmabel 17:43, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)

Does your NPOV dispute apply only to certain sections or sentences? If so, can you indicate which? It's going to be pretty hard to resolve, otherwise. -- Jmabel 00:44, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

My dispute applies to what I explained, presenting European anti-war protests as leftist, antisemite and dominated by Muslems. Furthermore, I cannot see why we need the article altogether given that there are already two others about the protests against the Iraq war. Get-back-world-respect 09:59, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Almost none of this material is in those other articles. If you think it can be refactored appropriately into them, I, for one, have no problem with that, but when I was factoring this out of Left-wing politics I couldn't see how to do that in any sane amount of time, and this certainly didn't merit such a lengthy discussion there. -- Jmabel 11:53, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)