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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Current list
July 7
National Christian Forensics and Communications Association/Clubs → List of National Christian Forensics and Communications Association clubs
List was cut-pasted from main article to a subarticle because article was getting long. Then the subarticle was moved to regular article space "per style guide" No reason the redirect should remain, nothing links to the redirect. I doubt the mover has any objection; this is close to a speedy by G7 Gimmetrow 01:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Delete - Sorry, my fault. I moved the page, but didn't think to delete the redirect. - pm_shef 02:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Sophomoric personal attack; see WP:BLP. (No links, BTW) CWC(talk) 09:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
July 6
Cross-namespace redirect created when moving a transclusion page improperly created in the Template namespace. Northenglish (talk) -- 19:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
"al-Masri" could equally well apply to Abu Ayyub al-Masri, and "Masri" could equally well apply to either man or the Egyptian arabic language. Can we delete the redirects and do a disambiguation page that includes all three? Jessesamuel 18:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. I just saw this nomination after I had already created Masri (disambiguation). Masri should remain a redirect to Egyptian Arabic because it is more commonly a native reference to the language. You may want however to create a disambiguation page for al-Masri since it applies to two different persons. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · t 19:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep the latter per Zerida. Delete the first, possibly converting to a dismabiguation page (also somewhat per Zerida). -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Malformed article name. Redirects that don't say Mazda twice already exist. Page has long since moved. 198.103.172.9 17:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - The name of the car is the "Mazda2", the manufacturer's name is "Mazda". It isn't inconceivable to think that someone might type in "Mazda Mazda2". Besides, redirects are dirt cheap. I see no reason to delete this. --Cyde↔Weys 00:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Malformed article name. Redirects that don't say Mazda twice already exist. Page has long since moved. 198.103.172.9 17:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - The name of the car is the "Mazda3", the manufacturer's name is "Mazda". It isn't inconceivable to think that someone might type in "Mazda Mazda3". Besides, redirects are dirt cheap. I see no reason to delete this. --Cyde↔Weys 00:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Malformed article name. Redirects that don't say Mazda twice already exist. Page has long since moved. 198.103.172.9 17:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - The name of the car is the "Mazda5", the manufacturer's name is "Mazda". It isn't inconceivable to think that someone might type in "Mazda Mazda5". Besides, redirects are dirt cheap. I see no reason to delete this. --Cyde↔Weys 00:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Malformed article name. Redirects that don't say Mazda twice already exist. Page has long since moved. 198.103.172.9 17:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - The name of the car is the "Mazda6", the manufacturer's name is "Mazda". It isn't inconceivable to think that someone might type in "Mazda Mazda6". Besides, redirects are dirt cheap. I see no reason to delete this. --Cyde↔Weys 00:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Malformed article name. Page has long since moved. 198.103.172.9 17:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
This article survived two AfDs in march and april Then it was moved in June. The resulting redirect is now cross namespace, and particularly odd as a subarticle. I thought subarticles were not allowed in the main namespace? Gimmetrow 23:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, the redirect is unused and redundant now. Its target gets visited periodically, but I reckon that's as a result of a Google hit here and there. Given the very well referenced state of the non /old article, the target of this should not have been met with such weak will by AfD twice, either. Delete. -Splash - tk 02:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- The target is linked from various places including the talk page of the article, so it's rather actively edited. This redirect involves a curious conflict between delete reason #5 and keep reason #4 - there are about 15 pages that link to the redirect including the AfDs, a few archives, and WP:Long term abuse. These should all be edited if the redirect is deleted. Gimmetrow 04:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete very odd redirect. ViridaeTalk 12:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Splash. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
July 5
Some sort of a fork. Not clear if useful. Also Surprise Royals - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems useful to me. Someone might look up the team this way.
- Oh yeah, I didn't notice the lack of space. Delete.
- Rbraunwa 04:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Considering no Google hits for "SurpriseRoyals", the lack of space must not be a common typo, such that even if the other should remain, this one should not. —Centrx→talk • 03:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
The redirect should be deleted because it was created after the template was moved, and is no longer used. Hintha 22:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I merged and redirected Patch (emo) a couple of days ago. Now I find out it was a neologism, created by the author of the article. Since it isn't a real term, delete -- Chuq 07:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
July 4
There is no Reverend Edward Nelson that I can find. Superwad 04:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment this is a strange redirect, maybe it could be changed to Edmund Nelson. Yanksox 04:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment You mean change the redirect to Edmund Nelson? Having a typo from Edward to Edmund is pretty far-fetched, don't you think? Also, there is a Reverend Edmund Nelson redirect already Superwad 04:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- CommentMaybe a mis-hearing redirect? Ie they misheard the name. That would be possible/proboble. ViridaeTalk 12:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment You mean change the redirect to Edmund Nelson? Having a typo from Edward to Edmund is pretty far-fetched, don't you think? Also, there is a Reverend Edmund Nelson redirect already Superwad 04:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, nonsensical and useless. The guy's a mathematician. Grandmasterka 23:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
There is no Edward Nelson who is a priest that I can find Superwad 04:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete I doubt there are many people whom would use that term in a search or at all. Doesn't connect all that well with the subject. Yanksox 04:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
unlikely search term, may cause confusion Jay32183 17:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, and I believe there are lots more out there. Google points out 102, 103, 106, 111, 202, 208, List of Xiaolin Showdown episodes 210, 220, on the first page of results alone. Kimchi.sg 00:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
The proposition "of" presumes that there were books that went missing from the Jewish canon. Not only is this factually incorrect, it also asserts a POV, namely that any works did get lost. See Talk:Lost books of the Old Testament for a detailed reasoning. Dr Zak 15:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree that the article Lost books of the Old Testament is rather dubious, but why not edit that article to make it better (or lobby to delete it if it is hopelessly original research). But as long as the article exists, somebody who types "Lost books of the Tanakh" into the search box ought to be taken to that article, since "Tanakh" and "Old Testament" are both terms referring to the Hebrew Bible. I don't agree that the redirect itself is POV. For example, Wikipedia has an article Life on Mars; the title of the article is not an assertion that there exists life on Mars. Similar for articles like unicorn and centaur. --Mathew5000 22:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Crystal Analysis is an OLAP tool, whilst crystal anaylsis is a description of Crystallography Ratarsed 12:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Pretty obvious bad redirect. --SPUI (T - C) 09:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator Dr Zak 15:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Forgive me for being dense, but why is this an obviously bad redirect? If I type "Germany Roads" in the search box, this is probably what I want. Gimmetrow 21:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- An Autobahn is a motorway, there are many other types of road in Germany other than autobahns, it does not make sense to redirect a generic term to one possible specific meaning of it (count this as a delete). Thanks/wangi 21:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Then this should redirect to Transport in Germany or a better article if it exists. I've made that change. Gimmetrow 02:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Good call. Dr Zak 02:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep redirected to Transport in Germany, seems like a good choice to me. --Cyde↔Weys 03:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep redirect with new target. Good idea. Grandmasterka 23:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep redirected per above. --Zoz (t) 11:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
KDTP redirects to KTAZ, but should not, as KDTP is a separate station. -- dhett 08:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Double redirect to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, plus cross-namespace. -- ADNghiem501 06:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Cross-namespace redirects are bad because they result in a person (reader) walking around a building (encyclopedia) and falling into the pipework (project space) because the builders (editors) thought cracks in the walls and floors would be useful for them to get around. Also gives mirrors a no-win choice, leaving them in will create redlinks, but mirrors removing them is "legally questionable" as per Wikipedia:Verbatim_copying Delete as per WP:ASR, as unneeded (numerous WP: style shortcuts) and a minor convenience for a sub set of editors does not outweigh creating a standalone encyclopedia for readers. If people do not specify "wikipedia:" in a search, we should remember that, first, and foremost, we are an encyclopedia, and return encyclopedic results by default. Regards, MartinRe 12:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per MartinRe. -- JLaTondre 14:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- delete per WP:ASR guideline/wangi 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. This comment by MartinRe on another page is very instructive: "See Wikipedia:Verbatim copying where the rules for mirrors are laid out. The main text section explains that for a CNR, the mirror has a choice - either leave it in, which will be a red link, or remove it as a link to a non-copied document, which is 'legally questionable'. Putting mirrors in a situation where they need to to choose between those two options is the main difficulty, in my view." --Cyde↔Weys 03:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as cross-namespace redirect. --Zoz (t) 11:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree. Fresheneesz 04:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
July 3
Cross-namespace redirect, and also very unlikely search term (borderline CSD R3) (does not contain any notable history, it's used to be a redirect to the historic Wikipedia utilities/Page titles to be deleted (which would need to be kept, and is fascinating reading!) Regards, MartinRe 23:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Cross-namespace redirect. jni 05:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per MartinRe (see above / below). -- JLaTondre 14:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. This comment by MartinRe on another page is very instructive: "See Wikipedia:Verbatim copying where the rules for mirrors are laid out. The main text section explains that for a CNR, the mirror has a choice - either leave it in, which will be a red link, or remove it as a link to a non-copied document, which is 'legally questionable'. Putting mirrors in a situation where they need to to choose between those two options is the main difficulty, in my view." --Cyde↔Weys 03:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as cross-namespace redirect. --Zoz (t) 11:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
The redirect goes to The Silencers the movie instead of The Silencers (band). Maybe there's a redirect from "The Silencers (band)" to "The Silencers" that needs to be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessesamuel (talk • contribs)
- Comment - It appears, but I may be wrong, that the nominator fixed the redirect target. The redirect doesn't even have an RfD tag. Timrem 15:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
July 6, 2002, July 7, 2002, July 8, 2002, July 9, 2002, July 11, 2002, July 12, 2002, July 13, 2002, July 14, 2002, July 15, 2002, July 16, 2002, July 17, 2002, July 18, 2002, July 19, 2002, July 20, 2002 → July 2002
Do we really want redirects from specific dates in specific years? I mean, we have these but we don't have July 1, 2006, July 2, 2006, July 23, 2006 etc. Why then do we have these? Either we should delete these, or have some bot create all the redirects. Helicoptor 15:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- A whole lot easier to delete. Are there any others? Iolakana|T 20:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if there are any others. Voortle 18:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Both July 10, 2002 and July 15, 2006 do not exist, I removed them from the section above. But I changed 2006 to 2002 (after July 15), since there is a redirect link that exists (see the section above). I mean this: July 15, 2002. -- ADNghiem501 05:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- July 12, 2002 added to the header. -- ADNghiem501 05:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if there are any others. Voortle 18:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - Especially entire dates in article title should not redirect to titles including months and years, and seems worthless. -- ADNghiem501 04:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - These purposefully need to be left as redlinks so people realize they've made an error when they try to link everything altogether in an article. --Cyde↔Weys 04:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Cyde. --Zoz (t) 11:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Cyde. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
July 2
List of channel 13 TV stations in the United States → Category:Channel 13 TV stations in the United States
This article was deleted, and it has now been set up to redirect to a category. I was under the impressions that article namespace should not redirect to categories. If this is to go, there are many others of a similar format for different channel numbers. I'm not sure how to list them all at once. GassyGuy 07:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as misleading. A "list" shouldn't redirect to a category. --Zoz (t) 20:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Also delete List of channel 2 TV stations in the United States, List of channel 3 TV stations in the United States, List of channel 4 TV stations in the United States, List of channel 6 TV stations in the United States, etc. up to List of channel 20 TV stations in the United States. --Mathew5000 20:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
July 1
The redirect page mispells the name. The mispelling is unlikely to be used by regular users. HYC 09:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- What about irregular users? There's no harm in having misspelled redirects, and at least one person already made this spelling mistake, which is why they created this redirect in the first place. So keep as redirect to Ronaldo, obviously. — sjorford++ 10:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- The two common, acceptable variations for the Portuguese name are Luiz and Luís, but in this case the legal name is the first one, with a "z". The mispelling Ronaldo Luíz was an artifact that happened when a well-intentioned editor tried to correct back Luís to Luiz without paying attention to the accent, but it is itself very unlikely to be used. There is no need to multiply redirects for every possible combination of mispellings for all kinds of irregular users, just keep the mispellings and variants most likely to be used. (Besides, multiplying mispellings also pollutes the Google results with false spellings.) --HYC 13:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
June 30
I originally prodded this redirect, but the prod tag was removed by User:Mangojuice as a "perfectly reasonable redirect". However, R3 states "R3 Redirects as a result of an implausible typo that were recently created. However, redirects from common misspellings or misnomers are generally useful." However, this is not a common misspelling. Incorrectly-spelled "Antarticopelta" returns exactly five hits on a Google search, all of which are this article on Wikipedia, or its mirrors. This is not a commonly misspelled word. It was a typo created by an inexperienced editor, and any valid content has since been moved to the correctly-spelled article. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs team is not large enough to maintain and expand all 1,000 correctly-spelled articles and keep an eye out for dozens of improbably-misspelled articles, too. Delete.Firsfron of Ronchester 06:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. I thought this was a plausible typo. I am not at all surprised that the typo returns few ghits. To me, it's plausible, because of the "artic"/"arctic" confusion. Plus, redirects are cheap. Mangojuicetalk 14:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- But if it's a plausible mispelling, wouldn't it show up somewhere else on the internet? But it hasn't. Only on Wikipedia would there be votes to keep a misspelling that no one's ever misspelled before. :/--Firsfron of Ronchester 19:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Anyone might easily type "antarticopelta" into the search box when looking for "antarctopelta". Nothing implausible at all about that. Misspellings are far more likely to occur in a search than in a web page which shows up on Google. I also don't understand why the WikiProject Dinosaurs team would need to "keep an eye out for" redirects like this. --Mathew5000 19:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Because we get lots of vandalism from the kiddies, who like to add info on "Bonersaurus" or add lots of zeros to sizes. I'm a member of three wikiprojects, and I guarantee the dinosaur articles get more vandalism than the other projects on which I work. I've currently got 1,400 pages on my watchlist, and judging from the rest of the dinosaur crew, they have similarly large amounts of pages on their watchlists, too (User:Ballista's page says he's got 1,200 on his watchlist). We spend part of each day just cleaning up bad info that's been added by (presumably) young writers. Anything that helps us clean house, like deleting misspelled articles and being able to then remove them from our extensive watchlists, is a good thing.--Firsfron of Ronchester 20:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- If the redirect is deleted, then it might be re-created in future by a well-meaning but inexperienced editor (as happened originally [1]). If left as a redirect, it should in theory save you work for that reason. I understand your point about dinosaur pages being subject to more vandalism than average, but is that true for dinosaur pages that are mere redirects? Pages that are redirects get hardly any edits, so they should not be much of a burden on your watchlist. --Mathew5000 21:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Because we get lots of vandalism from the kiddies, who like to add info on "Bonersaurus" or add lots of zeros to sizes. I'm a member of three wikiprojects, and I guarantee the dinosaur articles get more vandalism than the other projects on which I work. I've currently got 1,400 pages on my watchlist, and judging from the rest of the dinosaur crew, they have similarly large amounts of pages on their watchlists, too (User:Ballista's page says he's got 1,200 on his watchlist). We spend part of each day just cleaning up bad info that's been added by (presumably) young writers. Anything that helps us clean house, like deleting misspelled articles and being able to then remove them from our extensive watchlists, is a good thing.--Firsfron of Ronchester 20:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - as outlined above, no hits on google Cas Liber 00:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Not an asset to WP and anything to reduce my watchlist (currently 1,443) would be welcome - if it were a plausible mis-spelling, Google would surely come up with something other than this WP page? - Ballista 04:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep: No harm in keeping this, if one editor created it, it's more than plausible that it could be useful to someone else out there. --Hetar 21:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Surely we're not resorting to the Google test to find out how people misspell words? -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
This redirect was created in response to an AFD. The article was AFD'd due to a lack of notability; however the article was only mis-named, with the correct name proving the notability easily. When the article was moved, this redirect was left behind. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 13:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete I could understand someone using a Y instead of an I but tacking the wrestler part on the end seems fairly redundant. ViridaeTalk 14:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - Someone created the page here once, and having the redirect prevents that from happening again. They put (wrestler) at the end because the page Brandy Alexander already exists. This redirect isn't harming anything, so I see no reason to delete it. Timrem 15:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep the redirect is more of a maintance issue, then an encylopedic one. Yanksox 16:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete I modified the Brandy Alexander disambig page to catch this possibly misspelling, so the redir is now redundant. It's much less likely that someone would both misspell the name, and add the (wrestler) suffix. Dgies 00:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Dgies. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
subject of redirect is not even mentioned in target article —Hanuman Das 13:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ---Baba Louis 20:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Character in nn book of the same name as the target. The target has been rewritten to refer to a series of history textbooks, and now the redirect does not make sense. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chronicles of America --Mr Stephen 17:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. (I was the one who changed it to a redirect a few days ago.)--Kchase02 T 21:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom since nom info verified by Kchase02. Herostratus 05:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
June 29
TBH, I had absolutely NO idea what the "LUE trinity" was when I found this. Turns out, "LUE trinity" is a semi-protologism in the Gamefaqs community, referring to a trio of shock images, including Goatse, Tubgirl, and a deformed baby. As a hyperspecific protologism, we don't need an article for it, even a redirect. It is not, and should not, be mentioned in the Shock site article. Mangojuicetalk 18:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Zoz (t) 13:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Besides, it's the Unholy Trinity Will (message me!) 19:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Adorable bunnies is a minor shock site that has long been removed from the shock site article. Mangojuicetalk 18:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Zoz (t) 20:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
A very specific, but not commonly referred to, web address for a specific shock site. Mangojuicetalk 17:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete way too specific. ViridaeTalk 14:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per above. —Centrx→talk • 03:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Zoz (t) 20:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Redirect is actually to a section of shock site that hasn't existed for a long time. Bakla.net never contained any content on its own; the site was delisted at some point in the past. It's a dead meme; according to Alexa, it at one time managed to reach an Alexa rank as high as around 23000, but I know of no sources on Bakla.net, so we shouldn't have an article on it per WP:WEB. Mangojuicetalk 17:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. —Centrx→talk • 03:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Cross-namespace redirect. No incoming links outside of user space. Delete. – Gurch 11:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Petros471 11:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Zoz (t) 17:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ~ PseudoSudo 17:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete -- Omniplex 02:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per clause 2 of the "avoid deleting redirects" section - aid in the event of accidental linking. No possiblity of confusion. Redirects are cheap. Rossami (talk) 04:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. jni 06:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Rossami. Harmless enough, although I always just pipe it. - brenneman {L} 15:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete; this breaks the fourth wall between the encyclopedia and the messy, nitty-gritty process of writing the encyclopedia. We shouldn't be confusing our final product, which is a stand-alone free encyclopedia, with the vehicle, Wikipedia, that was used to make it. --Cyde↔Weys 18:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete "Cross-namespace redirects are bad" because they result in a person (reader) walking around a building (encyclopedia) and falling into the pipework (project space) because the builders (editors) thought it would be useful for them. Regards, MartinRe 21:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete No Cross-namespace redirects. Netscott 08:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Cyde & MartinRe. -- JLaTondre 14:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Redirect across namespaces. There is some history here (it used to redirect to Fan fiction). --ais523 15:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Zoz (t) 17:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. See AceMyth's edit summary; compare google:fancruft with google:-wikipedia+fancruft. ~ PseudoSudo 17:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete -- Omniplex 02:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per clauses 1 and 2 of the "avoid deleting redirects" section. Redirects are cheap. Rossami (talk) 04:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. jni 06:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete; this breaks the fourth wall between the encyclopedia and the messy, nitty-gritty process of writing the encyclopedia. We shouldn't be confusing our final product, which is a stand-alone free encyclopedia, with the vehicle, Wikipedia, that was used to make it. --Cyde↔Weys 18:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, as above. Petros471 10:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Cyde. -- JLaTondre 14:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep re-direct to Cruft. Re-directs are cheap, re-directs that point to articles in the proper namespace which explain the term reasonbly well are even cheaper! Yay unto the Chicken 12:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
June 28
Porte d'Orléans is not just a metro station but also the surrounding area. --SPUI (T - C) 23:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
- Change target to Porte d'Orléans (Paris Metro). --Mathew5000 00:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think your understand - this is a city square like Central Square, not just a metro station. It is named after a gate in the old fortification for the route to Orléans (N20). --SPUI (T - C) 11:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I understand that; that should be explained at the article Porte d'Orléans (Paris Metro) which is where the redirect should go (absent an article on Porte d'Orléans itself).--Mathew5000 08:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think your understand - this is a city square like Central Square, not just a metro station. It is named after a gate in the old fortification for the route to Orléans (N20). --SPUI (T - C) 11:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.--Kchase02 T 22:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Or maybe change it to redirect to Paris if no article exists on the neighborhood. Herostratus 06:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Cross-space redirect SCHZMO ✍ 15:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. jni 05:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Zoz (t) 17:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ~ PseudoSudo 17:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete -- Omniplex 02:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete; this breaks the fourth wall between the encyclopedia and the messy, nitty-gritty process of writing the encyclopedia. We shouldn't be confusing our final product, which is a stand-alone free encyclopedia, with the vehicle, Wikipedia, that was used to make it. --Cyde↔Weys 18:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, as above. Petros471 10:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Retarget I came to this redirect because I was trying to find out how to use Wikipedia infoboxes. I couldn't find any info on how to use these. Perhaps it should redirect to Help:Infobox as that actually explains what they are. The guidelines on Wikipedia:Redirect would suggest keeping this under exceptions 3 and/or 5. I think a disambiguation page would also be appropriate as was done for Redirect and Template. Dgies 21:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Help:Infobox is still a cross-namespace redirect. Unless we have an encyclopedia article on infoboxes (which we shouldn't have as they aren't notable outside of Wikipedia), this link shouldn't point to anything. --Cyde↔Weys 00:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- While Wikipedia:Redirects_for_deletion#When_should_we_delete_a_redirect.5F section 5 says you might want to delete cross-namespace redirects, it specifically says "but note also the exceptions listed below this list" and I claim that exception 5 "Someone finds them useful." applies. Out of the blue I found this redirect because I was searching for Infobox and this redir helped me. I'm obviously not the only person who found it useful, and I think the chance that it would confuse someone looking for a main space article is pretty low. Dgies 06:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Help:Infobox is still a cross-namespace redirect. Unless we have an encyclopedia article on infoboxes (which we shouldn't have as they aren't notable outside of Wikipedia), this link shouldn't point to anything. --Cyde↔Weys 00:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete: The inability of users to properly use the Wikipedia search function is no reason to allow cross-namepsace redirect to exist. --Hetar 06:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Cyde. -- JLaTondre 13:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
June 27
Bernardo de la Paz was merged with The Moon is a Harsh Mistress per consensus. Rational Anarchist would seem to be a term for a political philosophy but it has a redirect to Bernardo de la Paz on the grounds that the character calls himself a rational anarchist in Heinlein's novel. Redirect isn't really appropriate, much less so now that it would redirect straight to the novel. Delete. KleenupKrew 22:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Needed for the history. No good reason to delete here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JJay (talk • contribs)
- Comment. In any such case the page could be moved to a subpage of the target's Talk page and the given redirect deleted? —Centrx→talk • 03:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as re-redirected to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. No harm, and it's more appropriate pointing to the novel than to Bernardo, as there may have been others. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
see Rational Anarchist above, same situation applies. Delete. KleenupKrew 22:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per above. --JJay 23:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as re-redirected to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. No harm, and it's more appropriate pointing to the novel than to Bernardo, as there may have been others. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
This redirect is not useful. It is extremely unlikely that someone would search for "The Camel" when they mean "camel". -- Kjkolb 05:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with Kjkolb.
--Rbraunwa 14:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. I also agree with Kjkolb.
Cas Liber 00:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: the page has non-trivial edit history. --Mathew5000 01:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Comment the non-trivial edit history appears to be a nihilartikel, at least that was claimed here. Kusma (討論) 01:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)