Talk:Shanghai tunnels

See my comments at Talk:Portland, Oregon. In any case, I feel "Shanghai tunnels" is too broad a title for what this article intends to cover; why not "Underground Portland"? -- llywrch 02:11, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

most of the references i've found call them the 'portland underground,' with 'shanghai tunnels' being a nickname for them. i think it might be appropriate to rename the article as such, and reference the nickname in the intro. i may add that in soon myself, but article title i'll leave for now. --Jocke 01:32, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How about this article be merged with Shanghaiing? After all this is just Portland's example of it. Also, I have moved the two other cities that were listed in Portland, Oregon here. --Jason McHuff 21:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

im not sure merging is in order. i don't have specific references to cite, but i know i've seen a travel channel show on the tunnels. shanghaiing is one thing. the tunnels an entirely different sort of thing. Yung Wei 19:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Myth

This entry is false and is commercial advisement for one person who does "tours". Portland was not known for shanghaiing and did not have tunnels and trapdoors. I recommend that this whole entry be deleted or changed to reflect the nature that shanghai tunnels in Portland is a myth and a commercial enterprise of one man.

FACT. My family goes back four generations in Portland, and has evidenced these tunnels and the practice. A 2nd great uncle was a ship's captain that chronicled this practice in Portland. Likewise, my grandfather recounted the practice long before the tours were ever set up. Infact, most of the tunnels have been destroyed through neighborhood development. The local newspaper printed a run of articles of this in the late 1970's/early 1980's also, long before the tours were set up. I have personally seen the tunnels prior to the tours, as the city had closed off entrances to the underground due to health and safety issues.

This sounds to be as if the person questioning this wanted to run a tour but lost out.

Sir, this last sentence discredits you pretty spectacularly. Also, please clearly mark and sign your comments on talk pages. -- pde 15:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discredited or not, the thrust of "FACT"'s post is backed up a many many references. Falling back simply to WP:V and WP:CITE, the Portland Underground a.k.a The Shanghai Tunnels is pretty much precisely what the article says it is. There are thousands of Google hits to back it up. I could find nothing that dispelled it as a myth. I'm not saying there aren't any, but a search for "Portland Underground" "Shanghai tunnel" +myth came up with nothing relevent. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 13:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Fact: My family has lived in Oregon for six generations. So what? That doesn't give me the right to discredit history, or even recommend a good restaurant. You have issues.

Title change?

The title would more appropriately describe various tunnels in Shanghai, rather than tunnels in Portland. Title change to Shanghai tunnels (Oregon)? --Sumple (Talk) 23:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is unnecessary as there is no specific "Shanghai tunnels" in Shanghai that would create an ambiguity.--Pharos 06:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]