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This WP:WSS subpage is for discoveries of stub templates not cleared by WikiProject Stub sorting which have been encountered on Wikipedia. Stubs that have been put on the official stub type list without discussion on this page or /Proposals should be listed here as well. If you discover such a stub type, please list it at the bottom of this page along with any relevant details. Do not enter it on the stub type list until it has been discussed here to determine whether it should be kept or proposed for deletion at stub types for deletion.

Newly discovered, October 2005

{{Argentina-sport-stub}} / Category:Argentina sport stubs (on SFD)

A country-specific sport stub, which is an interesting idea. Created yesterday, has 13 articles. Category lacks parents. --Mairi 06:23, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting does not necessarily equal good... Given that we're busily breaking out separate sports, I'm not overly taken with this one... Grutness...wha? 11:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Added to SFD. --TheParanoidOne 23:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Currently used on 61 articles Valentinian ^(talk) 21:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Video game company stubs

User:A Link to the Past decided that we needed to also have stub categories video game manufacturers, and to populate them:

Since we're dividing by genre too, these probably ought to be deleted, but I haven't been following the cvg-stub splits closely. Also, so far none have over 60, and only the last is over 50. --Mairi 01:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the genre stubs then. Deleting these makes the problem oh-so-obvious on the CVG stub cat. There is no real problem with these stubs in regard to size, as there has only been a single person (me) working on them, and for only one single day. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps if you'd discussed these with WP:WSS, some better way of splitting would have been possible. As it is, though, these run against the way these stub categories are organised. As such, if any should be deleted, it is these. And if that make a problem in the main category "oh so obvious", then suggest a better way it can be improved that keeps to the hierarchy. Grutness...wha? 01:34, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For one, strategy games is applied to many non-strategy game. Are you telling me that it is easier to apply an article with a genre stub than a company stub? - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If an article has the wrong template, fix it. If you think the category system is in need of improving, suggest something on WP:WSS/P. The current genre stubs were decided on after a fairly lengthy discussion there, which considered several different schemes. --Mairi 02:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite sure what you mean by "is it easier to apply an article" - it is definitely easier for editors to find a particular type of article by genre than by company, though. Editors are more likely to know about different strategy games across company than about the games from one company irrespective of genre, and stuub splitting is done for the benefit of editors. Grutness...wha? 02:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So, what you are telling me is that you can properly attribute a genre stub to Katamari Damacy? - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox there manages to; based on that it'd go in {{action-cvg-stub}} if it were a stub. --Mairi 03:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's hardly fact. What makes it adventure? But *drumroll* unless the game never had a company listed on who developed it anywhere on Earth, if it's a Namco game, Namco-stub is JUST that simple. There WILL be debate over if a game is adventure, puzzle, strategy, etc. But how do you claim that it is not a Namco game? - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:31, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The issue isn't only ease-of-classification (any classification scheme is bound to have difficult cases), it's also whether that classification scheme is useful to people expanding articles. If you think classifying by developer is useful, go start a discussion on WP:WSS/P about it. I doubt you'll find much support, given that we have an existing classification method, but you can give it a try there. --Mairi 03:58, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This attracts fans of the company. More Namco fans would come about to Namco-stub than action fans to the action-stub. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You know, it's odd, but I know lots of video game fans, and they're all fans of particular games and game genres, rather than of particular companies. Grutness...wha? 13:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I REALLY doubt people will go after games that are specified by very loose categories. What makes a game strategy? Isn't action just a copout genre when they can't find a better genre? - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like playing strategy games. I dont care who their by, and I wouldnt be able to tell you either. If I was looking for stubs on games then Id definately look by type of game rather than company first. BL Lacertae 23:38, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bunch of redirects

{{Britcartoonist-bio-stub}} -> {{Comics-creator-stub}}
{{Bih-geo-stub}} -> {{BiH-geo-stub}}
{{AFLstub}} -> {{Afl-stub}}
{{Education stub}} -> {{Edu-stub}}
{{Government-stub}} -> {{gov-stub}}
{{author-stub}} -> {{writer-stub}}

Don't have much of an opinion on them, other than they don't seem to be particularly useful... --Mairi 23:23, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Britcartoonist was the original name of the comics one, ISTR, but has possibly done its time. Of the others, the only one that seems worth keeping is government-stub. Three of the other four are badly named (mind you, so are BiH-stub and Afl-stub), and the fourth is redundant. Grutness...wha? 23:50, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Strangely enough, I think {{author-stub}} might be worth keeping. We have a bunch of near synonyms for {{writer-stub}} that we are already keeping, and might just want to add more, such as {{lyricist-stub}}. I'm being a tad sarcastisic here, but not much since I wouldn't call a lyricist an author or vice versa.

You should vote on sfd then. Mairis taken it there to be voted on BL kiss the lizard 05:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Mairi only submitted Category:Author stubs to an SfD. The template that used to feed into that, {{author-stub}}, was turned into a redirect to {{writer-stub}}, just like {{poet-stub}} and {{playwright-stub}}. Caerwine 19:17, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

AFLstub, Bih-geo-stub, Britcartoonist-bio-stub deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's stub-berg season again...

I've just gone through Allpages/templates, searching for the word "stub". You may need to sit down. I discovered some 225 templates that were either unknown here or were badly formed and in need of work. Understandably, I haven't had time to check them all, so what I've done is list them on a subpage of my user page (User:Grutness/Stub discoveries to vet). What I'd suggest is that I (and hopefully some others) can take a handful, check them out, and then bring them either here or to SFD, which ever seems most appropriate. That way it saves dumping 100 more kb of length onto this page in one go. Some of them are no doubt ones that are OK and passed either here or at WSS/P without me remembering. others are just too strange for me to think that that can be true. Some are simply old redirects which should be taken to SFD. They range from the boring and plausible ({{China-road-stub}}, for instance) to the eccentric (like {{Search-engine-optimization-stub}} and {{Stub need image}}). Anyway, it looks like we've got a bit more work to do... Sigh. Grutness...wha? 08:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, November 2005

{{Agri-stub}} redirects

All created today:

Agriculture-stub is definitely useful; Ag-stub is definitely ambiguous and going to sfd; the others i'm various degress of ambivalent about. --Mairi 05:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think "farms-" should join it at SFD, at least. Alai 06:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I think "ag-" is woth keeping myself, but I agree with Alai that "farms-" should probabluy go. Caerwine 23:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Have added the well used agriculture-stub to the list of stub redirects and sent the other four to SFD for final disposition. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, December 2005

{{Canada-artist-stub}} / Category:Canadian artist stubs

Created today, used on 6 articles. As far as I know, we don't have any other nationality artist stubs, but {{Canada-bio-stub}} is at 10 pages, so this might help relieve that. --Mairi 22:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Artist stubs is also growing - this might be a reasonable way to split it, although by style or era is also a possibility. Grutness...wha? 00:14, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We're now at the end of December, and after a month there are only 10 articles in this category. I can see breaking up the painters geographically (though I don't know how many Canadian painters we'd find), but we've so far broken down artists by medium first, not by geography. I think this could be a candidate for deletion --EncycloPetey 16:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's now June and it has 50 entries plus there are pver 1400 unsorted Canadian biographies that should have some artists among them. I'm adding this one to the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Television network stubs

All 3 are US television networks. All 3 were created today, and are unused. --Mairi 02:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hopefully all should remain so - I don't think this is a particularly useful split at all. Grutness...wha? 02:33, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And yet {{BBC-stub}} is? All three have origins going back to radio. The main problem with them is that only CBS is reasonably unambiguous. Caerwine 05:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good point - I'd forgotten BBC stub (although I'm not sure that's too useful, either. Which ABC is it, BTW, the U.S. one or the Australian one? Grutness...wha? 08:33, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All three are for the major American broadcast networks, so ABC = American Broadcast Company. I found out about the {{ABC-stub}} when it was tagged to one of the articles on my watchlist.

I shrunk down the graphic on the ABC-stub. I think that there should be some standard for the size of stub graphics because I keep seeing all sorts of sizes. I'd have to go back through the edit histories, but I also think that some stubs have had their graphics made slightly large recently. ^Blank ^Verse 12:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Colorado-stub}} / Category:Colorado stubs

Created 2005-06-02; used on about 20 articles. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 13:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More than half are geo-stubs that need to be sorted out. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 13:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Disney-comics-stub}} / Category:Disney Comics stubs

Created on the 12th of December, one article. Comics stubs probably need another split, even if "what into" isn't immediately obvious, but I doubt this is it. - SoM 11:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{RnB-album-stub}} / Category:R&B album stubs

Perhaps useful, but the category shouldn't have an abbreviation, and I'm not sure why the template isn't {{R&B-album-stub}}. --Mairi 08:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

probably for the same reason as with the "RnB-band-stub" listed a couple of sections further up the page. I must admit I didn't know that ampersands could be used (it would have been useful for things like Trinidad-geo-stub! This one will probably be useful, but a rename would definitely be useful. Grutness...wha? 09:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{BBC-radio-stub}} & {{BBC-TV-stub}}

And their categories Category:BBC Radio Stubs and Category:BBC Television Stubs. Used never and 6 times, respectively. If we decide we don't even want {{BBC-stub}}, as was mentioned, these ought to go too. At the very least the categories need the capitalization corrected. --Mairi 05:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Mexico-musician-stub}} / Category:Mexican musician stubs

Used on 14 articles, probably useful. --Mairi 05:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{India-writer-stub}} / Category:Indian writer stubs

Used on 15 articles; might be useful too. --Mairi 05:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And will no doubt suffer from the same problem as other Indian biography categories of claiming for India alone historical people of South Asia despite having no clear indication in the article of the where they lived. 5 of the 15 articles needed to restubbed to {{SAsia-writer-stub}} because of that. South Asian writer stubs is at 135 stubs at present, so it's hardly overful. Besides with several large language communities stradlng the partion line, South Asian writers might be a case where instead of splitting by state, we would want to split by language. (i.e Bangla-writer-stub, Urdu-writer-stub, etc.) Caerwine Caerwhine 14:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is now up to 53 stubs, and a quick exam of some of them indicates that they truly are of Indians and not just South Asians, still not convinced we need a separate stub, as even combined with South Asia writer stubs there are only a few over 200 stubs, but we have a strong bias to nation based splits, so I'll go ahead and add this to the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 23:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created in July, used on 13 articles. However, it feeds into Category:India geography stubs. Unless there's a wikiproject, probably ought to be deleted... --Mairi 21:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. If it was mumbai-geo-stub then it would make sense to have it feed into india-geo. But then, since Mumbai's a city not a state, it would be deletable. As a city stub pure and simple, it might work - but then it shouldn't be feeding into India-geo, because it shouldn't have any geographical features in it, so it's been wrongly categorised. Either way, it needs to be either fixed up or "fixed permanently" Grutness...wha? 22:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{US-mil-hist-stub}} & Category:United States military history stubs with redirects {{US-military-hist-stub}} & {{US-Mil-hist-stub}}

The irregular redirect {{US-Mil-hist-stub}} definitely needs to go and I'm not fond of the other redirect but could live with it. Used on one stub and five stub categories. Adding the stub categories of the five indivual war stubs that relate to US seem to me to be wrong, but consistent with how the non-stub categories are arranged, so I won't dispute that if this ends up being kept. However, I'm doubtful of the need or desireability of this stub. None of Category:United States military stubs, Category:United States history stubs, or Category:Military history stubs is overfull. Not ill-formed tho, so until the SFD backlog gets resolved, I'll refain from sending this to the breakers, but I will be sending the malformed redirect. 22:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Now that this category and its parents are of considerable size, I'm listing it. Conscious 06:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Feeds into Category:South Africa stubs, and the text says nothing about bios. There's also no {{SouthAfrica-bio-stub}} to redirect this too. --Mairi 05:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

probably would be useful, but sounds like it just about needs to be started from scratch. We got rid of SA-geo-stub and SA-stub not that long ago - this one (if kept) needs similar renaming. Grutness...wha? 09:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. It should be renamed. --Valentinian 10:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Palmsoftware-stub}} / Category:Palm OS Software stubs

Created today, used on 13 articles. Since we have other OS-related stubs, this might be useful; the category would need to have the capitalization corrected, tho.--Mairi 05:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The template itself is a horrid mess, too. Just look at its source. Yick. —Cryptic (talk)

{{Astrologer-stub}} / Category:Astrologer stubs

Created today, used on 7 articles. Not sure it'd get that much use, although I'm even less sure what'd be a better place to put such articles. --Mairi 06:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 12:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Tvseries-stub}} / Category:Television series stubs

Formerly a redirect to {{tv-stub}}. That category now has 70 articles. While {{tv-stub}} needs some rethinking, i'm not sure this is how we want to do it. Maybe keep {{tv-stub}} as a parent, and have as children: {{tv-channel-stub}} (or just children-by-nation), {{tv-bio-stub}}, {{tv-char-stub}}, and {{tv-show-stub}} (or {{tv-prog-stub}} for tv channels, shows, programmes, etc? --Mairi 06:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This situation has grown out of control. {{tv-stub}} is now 10 pages long, {{tvseries-stub}} is already 5 pages long. We need to deal with this one fast. Or rather the entire group of TV stubs, which is fast growing. The official list doesn't even properly reflect the current categorization it seems, and most templates and Categories don't has stub project templates on them. WP:TV has been revived, so i think the time is now to tackle the complex issue of these stubs. - The DJ 20:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Whedchar-stub}} / Category:Buffyverse Character stubs

Created today, used on 18 articles. There is a Buffyverse wikiproject, so it might get enough use, but both the template and category could use better names. --Mairi 06:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via WP:SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 05:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here's another one related to the split of {{France-geo-stub}} (see {{Lorraine-geo-stub}} discussion above). There's only 24 stubs in there right now, but in mid-October I counted 68 stubs that would be appropriate. This was going to be created soon anyway, so it's a keeper in my opinion. Mindmatrix 17:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's also now:

{{Auvergne-geo-stub}} (20 articles)
{{Picardie-geo-stub}} (10 articles)
{{Bourgogne-geo-stub}} (15 articles)
{{Bretagne-geo-stub}} (16 articles)

Mairi 05:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And now {{Alsace-geo-stub}}, with 31 articles. --Mairi 05:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Aquitaine-geo-stub}} is at 70, I'm adding it to WP:WSS/ST. Conscious 19:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A nice little stub that doesn't murder, steal, lie... oh, it's for articles about ethics. Which might get enough use, especially since {{philo-stub}} is getting large, although it'd need a category and a rename. --Mairi 05:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Film-genre-stub}} / Category:Film Genre stubs

Created today, used on 20 articles. Category:Film genres isn't that large, so I'm not sure this'd get much use. Category needs the capitalization fixed if it's kept --Mairi 05:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See discussion at Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Deleted/February_2006#.7B.7BFilm-genre-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Film_Genre_stubs ; the stub and cat were renamed in lowercase and now hold 52 articles. Her Pegship 19:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Afl-bio-stub}} / Category:Australian rules football player stubs

Created today, used 12 times. Problems: the category ought to be Category:Australian rules football biography stubs to include coaches and such; ought to be capitalized as {{AFL-bio-stub}}; AFL refers to plenty of other things that could have biographies, such as the American Football Leage, the Arena Football League, etc. Not sure this is worth keeping, especially when it's parent stub category has only slightly more than 300 articles. --Mairi 05:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

if kept it would actually be AFLbio-stub rather than AFL-bio-stub, as per tennisbio-stub etc (although this is one we'd be unlikely to need to split later by nationality!) Grutness...wha? 01:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrectly named, feeds into Category:Xenosaga. If kept, should probably renamed to {{Xenosaga-stub}} and be edited to feed into Category:Xenosaga stubs. Aecis ^praatpaal 00:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

if it's needed (which I'd be unsure of, to say the least) a name change is necessary. I saw the name and though "surely there aren't 60 stubs on extraterrestrials!" Grutness...wha? 01:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 20:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Iowa-hwy-stub}} / Category:Iowa road stubs

Created today, used on 4 articles. The category lacks any parents, and the template ought to be renamed to {{Iowa-road-stub}}. --Mairi 05:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template moved to {{Iowa-State-Highway-stub}}. Category SFDed for renaming. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

US geo stubs

Both unused and created today:

({{Montana-geo-stub}} was also created by the same user, but it's been proposed by Grutness) --Mairi 05:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Florida-stub}} / Category:Florida stubs

Created today, unused. Category lacks any parents. Same issues as all state stubs. --Mairi 05:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Singapore-LRT-stub}} / Category:Singapore LRT stubs

For another transit system. Created today, used on 46 articles, even tagged with {{WPSS-cat}}. --Mairi

{{India-website-stub}} / Category:India website stubs

Created today, used on 2 articles. I can't find any corresponding/related main category(s) and I'm skeptical that this'll get much use. --Mairi 08:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

US-school-stubs

User:R6MaY89 has created the following:

Category:US school stubs certainly needed subdividing with over 1,000 articles. Category:California school stubs now has 78 articles and is sure to grow much larger. On User:R6MaY89's user page is the stated goal to create a school stub for all 50 US states. ^Blank ^Verse 09:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

please have a word with him about it and about the way this project functions! If there are as many articles on schools in Delaware as on places in Delaware, it'll never get near threshold, to start with. BTW, I take it that Florida-school-stub doesn't feed into the Delaware stub category! In any case, 1000 schools = an average of only 20 per state, so some of these will definitely not get to threshold. Grutness...wha? 10:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am really of two minds on this issue. Yes, many of the US-state-school categories will be currently underpopulated. On the other hand, the contentious and obstreperous actions of WP:SCHOOL have insured that there is no effective minimum standard for school articles on the Wikipedia, and their goal seems to be to have absolutely every school documented on the Wikipedia. That means that eventually all of those categories will be way over-populated and will then need further subdividing (by region or county). So do we stick with only those categories that currently meet WP:WSS creation guidelines, or do we prepare for the unavoidable future.

Be aware that crappy little sub-stubs on US schools are being aggressively created. Category:US school stubs had less than 600 articles in it at the last survey noted at WP:WSS/ST ("<600 as at October 4"). The over 1,000 figure was after many US-school stubs had already been moved to the new subcategories, so the number of US school stubs had more than doubled in less than two months! Very conservatively assuming a linear rather than exponential growth rate means that there will be at least 8,400 US school stubs by the end of 2006. ^Blank ^Verse 01:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, perhaps it does make sense to keep them all. Sigh... that WSS/ST page is getting very long. I foresee a point when we have to use a grid:

Alabama -stub; -geo-stub; -bio-stub; -school-stub; -State-Highway-stub
Alaska -stub; -geo-stub; -bio-stub; -school-stub; -State-Highway-stub
etc.

Grutness...wha? 02:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well the page weighs in at 190k code/490k real, so maybe a refactoring is in order ... --TheParanoidOne 11:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, BlankVerse for sending me a link to this page. I think that it is essential that we have all 50 states stubs and I believe that within a week or two, none of them will classify as "underpopulated". The truth is that we have so many schools in Category:US school stubs. Pepsidrinka and I started moving schools into the subcats only yesterday (Dec 26) and, with the help of other Wikipedians, we have finished more than half of the schools that were under A, B, and C. I haven't actually looked through all of them, but I estimate more than 100 Delaware schools only in the Delaware subcat when we are finished and I do not believe that this is to few to deserve a stub category. Perhaps we could all hold off on this discussion for a few days, and if there really are too few for some state's subcats, we can move them back to the US school category (this should be easy if there are really that few of them). Thanks for bringing this topic up for discussion. --R6MaY89 13:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think all of them should be kept, (1) "to prepare for the inevitable future", (2) because it makes sorting so much easier, and (3) because you can then use one line on the WP:WSS/ST page saying "all US states have their own stub type" instead of listing them individually. Kappa 04:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It looks like there are a large number of very short school articles that do not have any stub templates at the moment. I went through the List of school districts in Los Angeles County, California, finding that most of the existing school district articles were little more than lists of schools, so I gave them the new {{california-school-stub}}. I then looked at each of the high schools in the school district articles, and roughly a quarter of them were stubby articles that didn't have any stub template. Especially once the untagged US school articles are all discovered and properly tagged with state school stubs, even tiny Rhode Island may have a few dozen already created school articles. ^Blank ^Verse 08:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished moving all of the schools from A-F in states with names A-M to their new stub locations. If anyone is reading this, can you help move some articles? There is still plenty of work to be done. Over the next few days, I think we should go ahead and create the remaining 25 stub cats. Is this okay? Then we will be able to move everything else. --R6MaY89 03:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of the moving is over (only 250 schools remain to be moved), but I could really use your help finishing it up (it goes quickly if you use WP:AWB). How do you feel about a Washington D.C. stub? There will probably only be about 10 schools in it for now, but it may provide more completeness to the project. If you think that it should be created, what is the correct format? Is it Washington_D.C.-school-stubs or is there another way to write it? --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 21:40, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stub sorting is finished. We reduced it to 29 articles in the category that do not go under any one of the states. Some stretch over state boundaries and others are centered in D.C.. I guess this project is over for now. Thanks to everyone who helped out! --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 14:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Iowa school stubs" category deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:32, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Alabama school stubs", "Arkansas school stubs", "Kentucky school stubs" and "Louisiana school stubs" categories deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 05:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Switzerland-footybio-stub}}, {{Romania-footybio-stub}}

Created today, ~20 stubs each. Conscious 19:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Balears-stub}} / Category:Balearic Islands stubs

For the Balearic Islands; created 2 weeks ago, used on 15 articles, looks well formed. --Mairi 22:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

probably useful, as long as it doesn't mix ordinary and geo-stubs. Lousy name, though. Bale ars? Why not {{Balearic-stub}} or {{Balearics-stub}}? Grutness...wha? 23:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Their Spanish name is Illes Balears and since "-ic" is an English adjectival suffix, the use of Balears for the Balearic Islands is a reasonable, tho apparently unused name for them in English. Probably not worth deleting unless the stub type is deleted, but adding {{Balearics-stub}} as either the main template or a redirect is worth doing if the stub type is kept. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

actually, we're both wrong, which explains why I didn't think the name was Spanish. "Illes Balears" is the Catalan for the Balearic Islands. "Islas Baleares" is the Spanish (the islands use both languages, by the look of it). Grutness...wha? 00:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

State geography stubs

User:Geoset, who was responsible for three new USstate-geo-stubs recently, has just ben blocked for 24 hours. The reason?

What's more, Category:Washington, D.C. geography stubs feeds into the previously unknown Category:Washington, D.C. stubs, which uses {{DC-stub}}, which I would have expected to be about comics. it's the only one of the ones above that has a properly formed category - the others have no information and no parentage. At least we now have something to redirect karmafist's horrible "District Of Columbia-stub" to... I give up. By the way, you may be interested to know that several of the new geo-stub templates will have less than ten stubs.

Someone else can take over from here as far as US geo-stubs are concerned. If the lunatics want to take over the asylum, let them. I've no time for that any more. I'll keep sorting the country-specific stubs, but I'm having no further part of any US geo-stubs whatsoever. it's a complete waste of time. No matter how you try to create a sensible, working system, someone else will come along and kick it over. Grutness...wha? 06:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ive fixed up iowa. took about five minutes to move all 25 of its stubs. pathetic. if it doesnt grow its a waste of space. it is always the us states that are a problem. state-school-stubs, state-politician-stubs, state-Highway-Stubs and now this. everyone else is willing to wait. i dont get it. nebraska next. that has 18 stubs acording to your last count. whee! BL kiss the lizard 08:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ive fixed up all of the cats but the district of columbia one says washington dc which isnt quite the same thing. i think itll need to be changed. BL kiss the lizard 08:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In order to keep with the stub template naming conventions and avoid ambiguity, we need the DC one to be {{WashingtonDC-geo-stub}}. There have been at least two attempts on CFD to get the DC categories to settle on either Washington, D.C. or District of Columbia which both ended with agreement that a merge was desirable, but no consensus on which should be annointed, so with the stub template name, the stub category name making sense. Caerwine Caerwhine 01:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- in that case {{DC-stub}} needs changeing. BL kiss the lizard 01:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! I'll go through the new categories, too, when I get a chance to check for consistency and such. I presume some of the regional US geo stub categories are near empty now. What should become of them? I would think they could be deleted as they were just an intermediate split of the mammoth US-geo-stub category a while back. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 22:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ive gone thru almost all of them - there are just a few left in the south regional category. almost all the regional categories are almost empty now - one of thems on sfd. as for the size of the new states, have a look at Category:Delaware geography stubs which has all the stubs i could find from delaware in it! BL kiss the lizard 00:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Maratha-stub}} / Category:Maratha Empire stubs

User:AMbroodEY recently created this stub template/category, which seems to have happened out of process. There are currently 5 articles using the template, and the category hasn't been categorized, so it shows as a red link. Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 17:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I say make it a redirect with possibilities to {{SAsia-stub}} until such time as 60 stubs relating to the Maratha Empire can be shown. While we do have stub types for historical states, they have been mainly for entities that cut across our usual boundaries with ruthless abandon such as the Ottoman Empire which would otherwise require three separate stubs. With a clear parent stub in this case and so many historical countries, there is zero reason to not ruthlessly enforce the usual 60 stub rule here. Caerwine Caerwhine 21:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say delete it and replace it with the planned and now surely overdue India-hist-stub or SAsia-hist-stub. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Princely India Stub. Grutness...wha? 23:06, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well sorry fellas for not looking at the rule more closely. I though a category had to have 60 articles to warrant a unique stub template. BTW OT i think theres a good chance that we have more than 60 Maratha Empire related stub. Well Caerwine Maratha Empire spanned almost entire whole subcontinent, which i daresay i a huge area. अमेय आरयन AMbroodEY 18:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Progressive-rock-album-stub}} / Category:Progressive rock album stubs

Created yesterday, then template blanked. Would prefer to rename this to "Metal album stubs", as metal albums are one of the largest types remaining in Category:Album stubs without a home. Though Category:Rock album stubs is going to be the largest subcategory by far, so it doesn't hurt much to break that one out further. --Interiot 16:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This prog stub was also proposed yesterday. Looks like someone made it then realised they should propose it first. Can't see it doing much harm considering how big album-stubs is. As for metal-album stubs, that should certainly exist. Grutness...wha? 22:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, January 2006

{{extinction-stub}} / Category:Extinction stubs

Created 3 days ago, I've only found one article tagged with it, since the category doesn't seem to have been created. Worse, the tag tamplate was incorrectly written, so it spews markup text onto the pages where it's used. I recommend we subsume it back into {{paleo-stub}}. --EncycloPetey 04:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sounds a good idea. I don't know what the article was, but I bet it was either a species which just happened to be extinct or something related to a geological/palaeontological event. Grutness...wha? 05:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, the stub template was created by a sockpuppet vandal (User:Kai Barry 2) who was carrying on a campaign of seemingly experimental vandalism across a swath of articles begun under the name User:Kai Barry. BD2412 T 14:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So it's basically a CSD G5? Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo} ^risin' 16:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created december 30. Correctly formed and well-populated. Recommend keeping it. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 18:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

as long as it's used to double-stub with the country/region-specific struct-stubs (like the bridge and stadium stubs do) rather than replace them, it sounds fine. Grutness...wha? 08:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I was hoping someone would make this. Kappa 08:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is used on more than 300 articles now. Perhaps time to add it to WP:WSS/ST ? Valentinian ^(talk) 13:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- I'd think so. This ones rings a bell fairly strongly, sure it wasn't proposed at some point? Alai 18:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{NorthAm-native-stub}} / Category:Indigenous peoples of North America stubs

Created 3 days ago, used 52 articles. In some ways, a nice (temporary) solution to the problems with {{Canada-ethno-stub}}, etc. that were on the proposals page. "native" seems to perhaps not be the best for the template; I'm not sure what a better word would be tho. Also needs to be figured out where it goes in the stub hierarchy. --Mairi 22:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hm. Well, since there are people clamouring for Mexican-American and African-American stubs (see WP:SFD), perhaps this is a way of doing it. But I agree about the name. Perhaps NorthAm-indigenous-stub? Grutness...wha? 23:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Western Sahara stub}}/ Category:Western Sahara stubs

New wikiproject, new problem. very badly named stub never likley to get to 65 stubs. also taking to sfd. BL kiss the lizard 00:54, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 20:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Anti-Pope-stub}} / Category:Anti-Pope stubs

Created January 2 (today), used in 16 articles at present. FreplySpang (talk) 06:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given that there are 41 articles in Category:Antipopes and 10 in it's only subcategory (and I suspect those categories aren't going to gain too many articles), I doubt that this'll get enough use. --Mairi 06:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that more articles hold it than the ten ones within the category, because it originally linked to Popes. I might be wrong though. Chooserr 07:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even counting the recent (non- ...erm... canonical) Antipopes, there have only been 56 Antipopes in total according to Antipope - so if each of them had a stub article we still wouldn't reach threshold. What's more, they were Antipopes, not Anti-Popes, so the name is wrong. Calling it Anti-Pope stubs is likely to get articles like Ian Paisley (who is very anti-Pope) marked. This one isn't a goer. Grutness...wha? 08:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 20:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Korea-film-stub}} / Category:Korean film stubs

Created on January 2, used in 50 articles. Should be a good enough addition, since the number of Korean film articles has grown so fast recently (there were just over 20 stub articles about Korean films a month ago) and because it gets rid of the need of having both a {{Korea-stub}} and {{film-stub}} on every article. Bobet 14:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Compu-prog-stub}} / Category:Computer programming stubs

Created on January 2, used in 1 article. --cesarb 23:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Florida-media-stub}} / Category:Florida media stubs

Created today, used on 26 articles. Doesn't match the scope of any existing stubs, as it'd in theory include broadcast media and newspaper. However, it's only used on broadcast media, so it probably ought to be renamed to {{Florida-bcast-stub}} if it's worth keeping.

{{Florida-sports-stub}} / Category:Florida sports stubs

Another location sports stub. Used on 55 articles, so it's atleast viable. The template atleast ought to be singular. --Mairi 04:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well, it would be viable - except that sports are being split by type of sport, not location. In which case, this one is hardly useful. Grutness...wha? 04:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These new Florida stubs seem to have been created by Wikipedia:WikiProject Florida participant(s), but I see no reason why all these articles can't just use {{Florida-stub}} (now underpopulated) to avoid the micro-categorization. HollyAm 23:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Florida-bio-stub}} / Category:Florida people stubs

{{Florida-bio-stub}} was re-created on January 1st. (It was deleted on SFD once.) Conscious 07:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it weren't used on 50 articles, I'd speedy it as a recreation. It ought to go thru SFD again, or be speedied if others think that's a good idea. --Mairi 07:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{CNN-stub}} / Category:Cable News Network stubs

Created today, used on 18 articles. It probably could be viable, but it has the same problem's that've been mentioned with previous stubs for specific networks.

{{NovaScotia-stub}} / Category:Nova Scotia stubs

Created yesterday, used once. No clue if it'd be viable. --Mairi 04:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Christian-music-stub}} / Category:Christian music stubs

(Originally created at {{Christian-music-stubs}}) Used on 15 articles. Better formatted than the above {{Christianmusic-stub}}. Probably worth keeping... --Mairi 22:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{aerospace-museum-stub}} / Category:Aerospace museum stubs

I created this stub today, before I knew that there was a Stub Project, which is why I didn't follow the process (there was also no WikiProject banner at Category:Museum stubs, which didn't help). 43 articles either added independently or taken from {{museum-stub}}. Category matches with Category:Aerospace museums. McNeight 06:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

some people not connected to the project have been taking those banners off some of the catagories (tho a lot of them never had them). The template should probably be aero-museum-stub, since it would be a child of both museum-stub and aero-stub. 43 is a reasonable number of stubs tho. BL kiss the lizard 04:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{NI-footybio-stub}} / Category:Northern Ireland football biography stubs

Created today, used on 14 articles. Sam Vimes 21:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Alaska-stub}} / Category:Alaska stubs

Created today, used only once, looks well formated. But there is a wikiproject, so hopefully it'll grow. --Mairi 06:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Tanzania-stub}} / Category:Tanzania stubs

Created today, unused. Looks well formatted. Might be useful. --Mairi 06:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, medium-sized country. Kappa 07:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is currently used on more than 70 stubs. A definite keeper. Valentinian ^(talk) 23:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Corsica-geo-stub}} / Category:Corsica geography stubs

Yet another region of France. Used on 18 articles. --Mairi 06:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Aero-year-stub}} / Various categories

Parameterised template (which I vaguely recall us being agin, right?), being used to split Category:Aircraft stubs into Category:1990s aircraft stubs, etc, etc. A quite different scheme for splitting this category was suggested on the proposals page, with some at least qualified support, but never implemented, so we really ought to work out which way we plan on doing this. Alai 06:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any opinions on this? Several of the categories are undersized; template is highly non-standard in coding and in use. Alai 03:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not in favour of parameterised stub templates - they leave the door open to too much simple abuse (unless we want things like Category:1270s aircraft stubs), or ambiguity ((both Category:1990s aircraft stubs and Category:90s aircraft stubs?)). I'm also not sure that breaking this up by decade is nearly as useful as by other means (airliner stubs, biplane stubs, jet monoplane stubs, propellor-powered monoplane stubs, etc). It will only lead to some very small categories (which, it seems is exactly what has happened). Grutness...wha? 04:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template "Aero-year-stub" and categories "1900s aircraft stubs", "1910s aircraft stubs" and "1920s aircraft stubs" deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Exoplanet-stub}} / Category:Exoplanet stubs

Created today, used once. Might be useful, but if so the category probably ought to be renamed to match Category:Extrasolar planets. --Mairi 07:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm doubtful about whether it would be useful. Most of the articles in Category:Extrasolar planets are articles about the stars with a section about the extrasolar planet. That would seem to be a reasonable convention, especially for exoplanets where the Wiki only has a stub amount of information about the planet. A stub for planetary systems as a way of paring some articles from the overlarge {{star-stub}} might be useful. I'll leave a note on Astronomical objects wiki project talk page and see what they think. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:16, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created today, used once, category redlink. Another American telivision network. This one seems less likely to be viable. --Mairi 07:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Univision-stub}} / Category:Univision stubs & {{Telemundo-stub}} / Category:Telemundo stubs

Both created today and used; Univision and Telemundo are Spanish-language television networks in the US. The size of the main categories makes both of these seem quite doubtful. --Mairi 05:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Univision deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created today; initially just transcluded {{afl-bio-stub}}, but I've redirected it to {{Afl-stub}}. However, it's a better capitalization of the name, altho still far from unambiguous. --Mairi 05:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would {{AustralianFootball-stub}} be a better name? Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo} ^risin' 16:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would certainly match up with {{Americanfootball-stub}} (apart from the casing on the 'f'). --TheParanoidOne 23:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just received this on my user talk page: Hi James. User:Rogerthat and the people at Wikipedia:WikiProject AFL have introduced {{afl-bio-stub}} and started replacing afl-stub with it in articles. This doesn't seem to have been done in line with WP:WSS, so I thought you might want to have a look at it and make any necessary explanations. I agree about AustralianFootball-stub - or better still, {{Aussierules-stub}} or {{Australianrules-stub}}, since that's what it's internationally known as. It would cover both AFL and VFL (neither of which are ever used with lower case initials, BTW), and all lower grades as well - (the AFL is only the premier grade of this sport), and in any case AFL could probably easily be confused with American Football to those who don't know about Aussie rules. Grutness...wha? 02:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created today, used once, feeds into Category:Broadcasting stubs. --Mairi 04:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Used on 5 articles, 3 of which are lists. Only found two other articles which could potentially be added to this. Nominating for deletion on SfD. DHowell 02:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Limousin-geo-stub}} / Category:Limousin geography stubs

Created today, for a region in France. Use on 3 articles. Maybe it'll get enough use? Mairi 06:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, we need more stubs on luxury cars. Also there are only 26 regions of France, and since every commune seems to be headed for an article, they will need to be subdivided. Kappa 06:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The creator is in the process of filling every hole in Category:France geography stubs, which is in wikipedia's interest. He divides the parent category by région, which was ok'ed by WP:WSS/P IIRC, and he follows the naming conventions. I believe that we should give him the benefit of the doubt, and only act if a category hasn't reached the threshold in a substantial period of time. Aecis ^Mr.^Mojo ^risin' 10:18, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I say we leave him a heads up that we're checking this as it goes. Circeus 21:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Christian-theology-stub}} / Category:Christian theology stubs

Created today, used on 53 articles. Worth keeping; perhaps {{theology-stub}} should be unredirected too? --Mairi 06:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Christian-denomination-stub}} / Category:Christian denomination stubs

Created today, used on 93 articles. Given it's size, worth adding to WP:WSS/ST. --Mairi 06:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Christian-text-stub}} / Category:Christian text stubs

Created today, used on 38 articles. Worth keeping, I'd think. For all of the above, {{Christianity-foo-stub}} probably ought to be a redirect (or the other way around), as it more matches our naming conventions but is rather unnatural. --Mairi 06:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{library-stub}} / Category:Library stubs

Created today, used on 1 article, worth keeping. Instantnood 21:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

probably tho it will cause the same sort of mess with struct-stubs that museum and stadium do. there are plenty of library stubs tho. BL kiss the lizard 21:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, useful. Possibly we need a {{LIS-stub}} library and information science supercategory, too. --Muchness 02:24, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Sent to SFD today, with an intent on rescoping to a library and information science stub, since that is what it has been used for, with a recommended change in the category name as well. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Analytical-chemistry-stub}} / Category:Analytical chemistry stubs

Created by Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry, used on 7 articles. Might get enough use... --Mairi 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category upmerged to Category:Physical chemistry stubs via WP:SFD. Template kept. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Metal-song-stub}} / Category:Metal song stubs

Created today, used on 86 articles. Looks well formed. --Mairi 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created as {{NZ-actors-stub}}, uses Category:Actor-stub, text doesn't mention actors. Might be worth cleaning up and using... --Mairi 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and cleanup, useful for sorting. Kappa 22:04, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
agree with kappa. Ive found quite a few of these. Ive tidied it up. BL kiss the lizard 23:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
yeah - I see that someone (BL?) has added a handful of articles to this now. I'll have a look to see if I can find some more. Grutness...wha? 05:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I've had a fairly thorough, but not exhaustive, search - and it's now up to 50 articles. Shouldn't take too much to get it to threshold. Grutness...wha? 06:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be intended as a container for any article with "gopher" in the title. I can't see it being particularly useful. --Stemonitis 17:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

weird one, too. It has a category, but it has to be manually added. Currently has three stubs, and might be struggling to get to six, let alone sixty. I'm sfd'ing it. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

correction - it had a "no-include" on the category, which IIRC we dislike here. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted vis SFD. Logged discussion here --TheParanoidOne 06:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Korea-corp-stub}} / Category:Korean corporation stubs

I created this after someone suggested it at the Korea-related topics notice board, it has 91 articles right now. Kappa 19:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

156 now. Kappa 12:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Renamed to {{Korea-company-stub}} and Category:Korean company stubs via WP:SFD. --TheParanoidOne 15:38, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Listing. Conscious 06:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Haute-Normandie-geo-stub}} / Category:Haute-Normandie geography stubs

Created today, used on 46 articles. Worth keeping. --Mairi 00:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Oregon-State-Highway-stub}} / Category:Oregon State Highway stubs

Createdy today, unused. No specific wikiproject. There's enough articles in Category:Oregon state highways that it might get enough use; might as well give it some time and see. --Mairi 00:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Still completely unused, for nearly a week now. More fuel to the capitalisation ad-hoccery fire. I'm going to speedy this as "empty" tomorrow, if there are no objections. Alai 07:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wait... why exactly was this deleted? People could have tagged articles easily to put them in there. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons as per above. Now on WP:DRV, for extra bonus process. (Though not the actual proposal process, of course.) Alai 19:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's other steps in the process first. WP:CSD does not have any provisions for stubs. You could have gotten stubs or asked someone to tag some. Or you could have sent it to SFD. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Thriller-film-stub}} / Category:Thriller film stubs

Created today, used once. Was previously proposed, but had a somewhat indifferent response. --Mairi 00:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Macedonian-bio-stub}} / Category:Macedonian people stubs

Created more than a month ago and used on 7 articles. There's probably more candidates out there, but I doubt if we can find 60 stubs. In any case, the stub should be renamed to {{Macedonia-bio-stub}}. In this context, the word Macedonia corresponds to (the Former Yugoslav Republic of) Macedonia, not the three regions in Greece. --Valentinian 12:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support a renaming, but the wording of the template and category is going to have to be very careful to avoid both confusing editors and angering Greeks! Grutness...wha? 09:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's where we can just follow the main articles/categories, which have Category:Macedonian people and Republic of Macedonia. Mairi 04:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Still growing sloooooowly, but for a modicum of consistency, shouldn't we simply delete this as severely under-sized? Alai 06:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created today (for the country); has a redlink category and used once. Might be useful. --Mairi 05:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to hear that it's for the country, but... we only just deleted Azerbaijan-stub because there were so few stubs relating to the individual countries in the Caucasus. Adding a Georgia-stub immediately is a bit strange and could be seen as bias. Grutness...wha? 09:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've populated it and it is now over 100 articles (no bio-stub yet, but that consideration is getting relevant). Armenia already has two stubs, so I'll try going through the Azerbaijani material, so we can kill the "Caucasus-stub". It's not elegant that it refers to three countries if two of them already have a separate stub. Valentinian ^(talk) 19:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Btw, I've added both the Georgian and the Armenian stub to WP:WSS/ST Valentinian ^(talk) 19:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{England-stub}} / Category:England stubs

Probably useful. Would have been nice if we'd been told. Grutness...wha? 09:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creator is an on-record WSS refusenik. Alai 01:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Am I? For the record, what is "an on-record WSS refusenik"? If it is what I think it is, then no I'm not. I am a pragmatist, not a fundamentalist.--Mais oui! 12:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, I really shouldn't talk about people behind their back -- or at least, make sure it really is behind their back. :) I was intending to a) be mildly humorous, b) indicate that you'd expressed yourself somewhat forcefully on the point of disagreeing with the stub proposal process (and other stub-cabalistic practices besides), and hence c) imply that it'd serve little purpose to upbraid you on said grounds. Alai 03:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Nyaaa... yes and no. As far as I understand it the whole Stub Sorting system is only a guideline and not an official policy, but generally I do accept the wisdom of the guideline. But you must admit that tons of good, useful stubs have been created out-of process, and some duffers have been created with due process (bureaucracies being what they are). Initially, as in all things to do with Wikipedia, I was a bit "forceful", but I have become a lot more philosophical about the whole thing. I really do not want to piss you guys off, apart from anything else cos I am actually about to come grovelling to you at Proposals soon about another new stub idea. I could of course just do it anyway, but I won't push my luck. Well, not grovelling exactly, but... --Mais oui! 12:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      - I take back b), then; I shouldn't have been retreading my assumptions without updating them. I certainly freely admit all of these things (guidelines, useful out-of, unless in-process). See you on /P in due course, then... Alai 08:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Malaysia-stub}} / Category:Malaysia stubs

I got bored of typing {{Malaysia-stub}} and getting a red link. 91 stubs atm. Kappa 12:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.--Carabinieri 11:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listed. Conscious 06:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Serbia-bio-stub}} / Category:Serbian people stubs

Created on December 7, doesn't seem to be listed or discussed anywhere. (Maybe I'm just missing it - it's not listed at WP:WSS/ST anyway.) Category already populated with over 100 articles. Seems like a keeper to me. -GTBacchus^(talk) 18:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. It seems well-formed and relevant. --Valentinian 21:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree... (but only slightly). It looks OK, but surely it should be Serbian and Montenegrin people stubs. Grutness...wha? 02:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

~~:::I missed that. Yes, it sould be renamed. --Valentinian 08:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)~~[reply]

I've just re-checked the categories. The total mass of stubs for Serbia and Montenegro seems to be: {{Serbia-stub}}, {{Montenegro-stub}}, {{SerbiaMontenegro-stub}}, {{Serbia-geo-stub}}, {{Montenegro-geo-stub}}, {{SerbiaMontenegro-geo-stub}}, and {{Serbia-bio-stub}}. There is no {{SerbiaMontenegro-bio-stub}} or {{Montenegro-bio-stub}}, but otherwise the collection seems to be complete. This distinction between the two republics might be seen as a political statement by some people, but I'm not sure if this is the case here. Perhaps somebody is simply trying to show that Serbia and Montenegro were historically separate entities? The "SerbiaMontenegro"-stubs are virtually unused and the Montenegro-stubs are not very full. Montenegrin biographical articles appear to be stubbed with Montenegro-stub, but it might be an idea to go through Serbia-bio-stub and check if it is only used for Serbs or for both Serbs and Montenegrins. Thoughts anyone? --Valentinian 08:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See the proposal. Conscious 08:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hm. I thought it had been created as SerbiaMontenegro-bio-stub then, but later realised one didn't exist, so assumed that it hadn't been made. I still think it would be better to have one that covers both for now, with separate ones later if needed - otherwise we are likely to be seen as favouring the proposed split of the country. Note that this is the only case where either exists separately with no "joint umpbrella" category. Grutness...wha? 09:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Italy-actor-stub}} / Category:Italian actor stubs

This was created today without proposal, but seems to conform to all the rules and is well-populated with 74 stubs.--Carabinieri 10:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created yesterday without proposal. Used by 20 articles, but lacks a category, and I'm not certain how populated it could get. Perhaps redirect to {{hotel-corp-stub}}? GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 20:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, listed at Proposals under "Resort, Hotel, Casino". GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 20:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well yes, it was, but the proposal was met with the answer that this stub wasn't necessary since hotel-corp-stub already existed! Grutness...wha? 22:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it was met with the question if the proposer, User:Texaswebscout (also the template's creator), had {{hotel-corp-stub}} in mind, which he apparently hadn't. It wasn't so much met with the answer that it wasn't necessary. Aecis ^Mr.^Mojo ^risin' 22:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose so... I wish I'd realised I'd misread it that way at the time - I would have objected, or at least asked Texaswebscout to make sure they were double-stubbed with the specific location-struct-stub. Grutness...wha? 00:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Podcast-stub}} / Category:Podcast stubs

Created on November 21 of last year, the creator also made {{Podcasting-stub}} and {{Podcasts-stub}}. I don't think it's ever gone through this project, since the category doesn't mention any of the stubs by name and doesn't mention wpss. Currently the category has 10 articles. - Bobet 22:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Korea-actor-stub}} / Category:Korean actor stubs

Created as part of an unofficial "Wikiproject:Make stubs about Korean actors". 79 stubs atm. Kappa 10:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Hurricane-stub}} / Category:Hurricane stubs

This one was discovered by Grutness back in October. It's used on 44 articles (not far from threshold) and (IMO) has the potential to grow as future minor hurricanes are documented. It's already on WP:WSS/ST, and I've corrected the template a bit. I think it should be adopted. Conscious 13:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sounds like a natural child of climate-stub, too. Grutness...wha? 22:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Greyhawk-stub}} / Category:Greyhawk stubs

Created on January 15th, used on 43 articles. Conscious 15:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Currently used on 86 articles. --Valentinian ^(talk) 08:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Paganism stubs / {{Paganism-stub}}

Discovered when it was added to the stub type list (I've removed it until it gets discussed. Not convinced it would get enough stubs to reach threshold, and it's going to overlap considrably with both Category:New Age stubs and Category:Occult stubs (to be honest, I prefer it to the former category, but that's a personal opinion). Nine stubs at the moment, no parent categories. Template was incorrectly formatted, but it's fine now. May be a keeper, but it needs to be clearly demarcated from the other categories that it overlaps with, or there'll be problems. Grutness...wha? 11:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are currently quite a few neopaganism-related articles tagged as reli-stubs or reli-bio-stubs. I have a list of the ones I've found and I will go around re-tagging them when I get the chance. Some of the New Age and occult stubs would also be more appropriately tagged as paganism stubs but got the New Age/occult tag because there wasn't one for paganism. This sounds like a job for the Neopaganism WikiProject to sort out. However, I think it would be a good idea to rename these to "neopaganism" rather than "Paganism" since the articles so tagged are about neopagan religions. Also, the icon needs to go, because a growing number of neopagans are not Wiccans. - AdelaMa e ^{(talk - contribs)} 05:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that, being one myself (neopagan but not wiccan, that is). The question of what symbol can be used without offending anyone is a tricky one, though. Blessed be, Grutness...wha? 08:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and more neopaganism-related stubs will likely be created as the WikiProject works to fill in some gaps in Wikipedia's coverage of neopaganism. - AdelaMa e ^{(talk - contribs)} 05:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are now over 70 stubs in this category and there are plenty more where those came from. - AdelaMa e ^{(talk - contribs)} 07:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Grutness that a Pentagram is a perfectly acceptable symbol, granted that this becomes Neopagan-stubs instead of just pagan, as Pentagram says "Many Neopagans, especially Wiccans, use the pentagram as a symbol of faith similar to the Christian cross or the Jewish Star of David. (It is not, however, a universal symbol for Neopaganism, and is rarely used by Reconstructionists.) " The fact that its not used universaly is not a sound argument. If we were to accept that, weed have to remove the Ichtus from chrisitianity-stub, the wheel of life out of buddhism-stb, etc. Phoenix9 18:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

also even though Im the one who prompted it being put there, does a pentagram belong on occult-stub when there is a (neo)paganism catagory Phoenix9 18:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you have misunderstood what Grutness was saying. I said, "Also, the icon needs to go..." and Grutness replied, "I realize that..." which seems to be an endorsement of the idea that the pentagram icon is not appropriate. Using a pentragram symbol for neopaganism is not like using an ichthus symbol for Christianity; it would be like using an icon of the Pope. The pentagram only represents one pagan religion - Wicca - and is very likely to upset practitioners of other pagan religions. Out of the 82 stubs currently in Category:Paganism stubs, only 48 are related to Wicca. 34 out of 82 stubs is NOT a small minority, especially when you consider that many of the people involved in editing these articles would find the application of a template with a pentagram symbol to be patently offensive. Is there any rule that says a stub template has to have an image? Honestly, would it be better for our server load just to leave the images out? - AdelaMa e ^{(talk - contribs)} 19:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A stub template doesn't need an image, but they are often a nice visual aid. If it's non-trivial to pick such an image, I'd say don't bother with one. There are more worthwhile things to spend time on. --TheParanoidOne 22:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understood Grutness to mean "I realise that not all Neopagans are Wiccan" (obviously he would have the definitive opinion on what he meant), but to say that Wicca is the only pagan religon to use a pentagram as a symbol is just outright wrong. (I for one am not wiccan and consider it as a beautiful image that is representative of my beliefs and I get the feeling that Grutness does too (correct me if I'm wrong)) The pentacle article here says, as I quoted above "Many Neopagans, especially Wiccans, use the pentagram...". Now I realize WP isn't always the most reliable source of information (*gasp*), but I have seen this stated in other refrence sources and in people's general opinions expressed in places such as MysticWicks[1] (which despite it's names sound is not dominated by Wiccans) Phoenix9 23:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I meant "I realise that not all neopagans are Wiccans, as I am not a Wiccan myself". However, I use the pentagram, despite not being Wiccan. The decision of exactly what symbol to use is a tricky one, though the pentacle is probably the most widely-accepted symbol in neopaganism - I would have preferred a tree of life, but that would have caused just as many problems (personally an Uffington Horse would have been perfect, but I'd be in the distinct minority there). It may be best not to have any specific icon on this template. Grutness...wha? 05:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, February 2006

Looks like I triggered the creation of this template yesterday by marking an Isle of Man politician with {{UK-politician-stub}} :) The template has no associated category and has a poor name. Conscious 10:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If a stub was needed for this, then it would either be {{IsleofMan-stub}} or - in keeping with the geo-stubs - {{UK-crown-stub}}, for all the crown dependencies (IoM, Jersey, and Guernsey). Mind you, the latter is somewhat ambiguous. In any case, I don't see this getting near threshold. Grutness...wha? 12:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we just explicitly rescope the UK- categories to include the crown-deps? Alai 02:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yee..possibly, though the few Channel Islanders and Manx I know strongly dislike being grouped in with the mainland. UK-geo-stub for a while was explicitly noted as including the crown colonies, but that wasn't really appreciated by them, either. Grutness...wha? 08:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility would be creating a single stub for all crown dependencies. I still don't know if it could reach 60 stub though. --Valentinian 10:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 19:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Confectionary-stub}}, {{Confectionery-stub}}, {{Candy-stub}}

Created 6 February 2006. Used by no articles. The creator makes a lot of redirects-from-misspellings and the like; could someone more involved in WP:WSS explain to him why this is not so good with stub templates? FreplySpang (talk) 17:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've sent the misspelling to SfD. {{Candy-stub}} should probably be kept as a redirect from an alternate name, since it now exists. I'm neutral on keeping the correctly spelt {{confectionery-stub}} as another redirect from an alternate name. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created 6 February 2006, used by no articles. FreplySpang (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redirected to {{mil-stub}}. Conscious 18:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay, thanks. I thought there was some reason why redirecting stub templates was Bad, or I would have done it myself. FreplySpang (talk) 23:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having duplicate templates is Worse :) Conscious 05:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No argument there :-) FreplySpang (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Themepark-stub}} / Category:Theme Park stubs

Created 14 February 2006, used by 1 article. FreplySpang (talk) 02:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

could keep it and rework ride-stub perhaps. make ride-stub just for amusement park rides and make this one into amusement parks and fairs and theme parks. dont think thered be enough if it was just for theme parks. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 04:00, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Denmark-band-stub}}/Category:Danish musical group stubs

Created 14 February 2006 without a proposal. Looks well formed and currently has 3 articles. Worth keeping as there are quite a number of Danish bands in {{band-stub}}. --Bruce1ee 05:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Has grown to 57 articles now. --Bruce1ee 08:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've added this to WP:WSS/ST. --Bruce1ee 06:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Hello! Project stub}}/(Category Category:Hello! Project stubs in <noinclude> tags)

Created this afternoon (16 February). Doubtful that there's enough members/groups/albums to warrant a whole stub category. Should just be in {{Japan-band-stub}} Neier 12:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there are enough groups, individuals, and releases (albums, singles, etc.) to warrant the designation. A Wikiproject:Hello! Project has been in the works for sometime (I started it last December) with formal launch coming within the week. The creator of this stub is part of the Wikiproject. --CJ Marsicano 19:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you give some rough numbers and possibly some examples of what would be tagged with this stub type? --TheParanoidOne 20:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - At least the minimum 50 articles that such a stub requires; A lot of the individual band member profiles and many of the singles and albums are stub-sized. Admittedly, that includes some articles that need to be created. I'm going to have the cats who are joining me on WikiProject Hello! Project get busy on all this. --CJ Marsicano 21:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - The title doesn't look right, shouldn't it be {{hello-project-stub}}, or maybe {{H!P-stub}} ?
  - Well spotted. I suspect that Hello!Project-stub (i.e., the same as at present, but without the space) would be reasonable under the naming guidelines. Depends on whether the P is normally capitalised. and whether exclamation marks cause problems in template names. Anyone? Grutness...wha? 00:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Brother Grut and the anonymous brother who asked before him, the name is indeed capitalized, punctuated, and spaced correctly. If the exclamation point doesn't cause problems for the Hello! Project Wiki entry or Category:Hello! Project, I don't think it would pose any problems for the stub template. --CJ Marsicano 22:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - It may be okay for an article, but may not be for a template. And while the name of the article is spaced correctly, it is definitely not so for a stub template, as spaces are not used in stub template names. Grutness...wha? 03:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - What about the exclamation point? Is that still kosher? In that case, the stub template could always be renamed Template:H!P-stub (no objections from my POV and it would make stubbing for myself and the other cats at WP:H!P easier. --CJ Marsicano 04:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note: this was deleted once under similar circumstances. Conscious 05:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Circumstances are changing. :) --CJ Marsicano 06:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A compromise - is Hello-stub too ambiguous? I suppose there's the greeting and "Hello Kitty", but I doubt it would be too easily confused with those - any thoughts? Grutness...wha? 22:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Brother Grutness, H!P-stub would be better and much less ambiguous, if it needs to be shortened. We at WP:H!P haven't had any problems typing the current stub code though! ; --CJ Marsicano 02:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - H!P-stub is far too close to the not-so-long-ago-deleted HP-stub. And the current name is definitely contrary to stub naming, so it should be renamed pronto. Grutness...wha? 05:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - I guess using HP-stub is out of the question then? Ugh. ANYTHING but the ridiculous Hello-stub. I still don't think the exclamation point would be a problem though. --CJ Marsicano 06:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, it seems to work ok on the current template, so probably isn't a problem. There's always a fear of stray characters being "special characters", so it's as well to be chary of having things like "!", "*" and the like in templates (after all, "|" would cause major problems). As to the name, HP-stub was being used for Harry Potter (it's now at HarryPotter-stub). Just dropping the space in the current name would keep WSS happy - how would Hello!Project-stub sit with WP:H!P? Grutness...<small>wha? 08:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - I say OK. :) --CJ Marsicano 17:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Subcats of Firearm stubs

Someone has just added seven new subcategories to Category:Firearms stubs - which itself has only some 400 stubs. The chances of all of these getting near threshold are minimal since - excluding the unlikely event of double-stubbing - the average would be below threshold. I've removed them from WP:WSS/ST until we've had a chance to discuss them, but none of them seem to be particularly useful, and several of them have names which contravene our naming rules. The stub types that were listed are:

Category:Pistol stubs - {{pistol-stub}}
Category:Submachinegun stubs - {{submg-stub}}
Category:Assault rifle stubs - {{arifle-stub}}
Category:Shotgun stubs - {{shotgun-stub}}
Category:Sniper rifle stubs - {{sniper-stub}}
Category:Machinegun stubs - {{macgun-stub}}
Category:Ammunition stubs - {{ammo-stub}}

Personally, I think they should all go to sfd - and certainly there are several hre that need renaming at the least. Sniper-stub isn't for snipers, for one obvious example. Grutness...wha? 03:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"macgun-stub" and "Machine gun stubs" deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"ammo-stub" and "Ammunition stubs" deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 12:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

arifle-stub, shotgun-stub, and sniper-stub all speedied (if three months on qualifies as speediness...) as empty/unused. Alai 17:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:UPN stubs

Is this excessively narrowly scoped, or just undersorted? Currently tiny, but permanent cat is large. Alai 15:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had to look up what an UPN was... the parent category has about 240 articles if all its subcats are counted, but that includes a lot of Buffyverse-stub stuff. In any case, UPN is a subsidiary of CBS - which is a far more viable stub subject, and probably a better place to put these stubs. As with the network-stub currently on SFD (which offhand I don't remember the name of), having separate stubs for the majors is fine, but ones for all the others might be pushing things a bit. Grutness...wha? 22:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here.--TheParanoidOne 10:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{India-school-stub}} and Category:India School stubs

Someone else should check that these are well-formed, but they seem to work, and there's about 70 articles already sorted in there. I can't find any discussion of it, on any WP:WSS project page. Oh, and the 'S' should be lower-case: Category:India school stubs. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sounds like a useful category but it does need a small s. take it to sfd for a rename? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. :| Alai 04:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listed at SfD. -GTBacchus^(talk) 06:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{comic-strip-stub}} and Category:Comic strip stubs

I created this stub template in an attempt to sub-categorize the huge Category:Comics stubs. I didn't realize there was a proposal process until afterwards. It seems like an obvious sub-category, and isn't covered by the other comics subcats. --Piels 02:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are there a reasonable number of these? i.e., 60+, or thereabouts? Alai 04:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there are 60 or so, it does seem like a good split. Well formed category and template, too. I'll put a wpss-cat template on the main category, though, so that it's a bit clearer that they should be proposed first. Grutness...wha? 05:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been gong thru Category:Comics stubs and while this stub ain't yet at 60, by the time I'm finished it will be. I've got it up to 38 stubs and I'm only up to C. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{MLS-Stub}} and Category:Major League Soccer stubs

Populated with 5 articles currently, with just season and championship summaries as well as one stadium. Neier 08:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A bit odd, since we've been splitting football by country, and haven't got enough stubs for a separate US-footy-stub yet, let alone just one of its leagues. I think it's extremely unlikely we'll get 60 stubs for this. A rescope to a general US-footy-stub would be a reasonable compromise, though. Grutness...wha? 09:14, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Macedonia-stub}} and Category:Macedonia stubs

Pretty much empty. The obvious step is to delete it, but, WikiProject:Former Yugoslavia is in forming ([2], [3]), and few days ago I formed a list of 2500 stub articles that mention some of former Yugoslav republics (via SQL query, I didn't do it by hand ;-) ). I suppose that our WikiProject will be launched in a week or two and then we'll start digging through that list to pick out stubs that are relevant for any of the republics, so this template would be of use to us, since all of former Yu republics have their own stub section... Dunno, you decide what to do, and when you do, please inform me on my talk page. Thanks. --Dijxtra 13:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't surprise me if we saw a geo-stub for it, too, then, though there isn't one yet, and - at 31 current stubs - it's still a way off automatic proposal. As for Macedonia-stub, it may be a case of monitoring it for a few weeks, and deciding what to do with it based on growth or otherwise. Grutness...wha? 22:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A -bio-stub already exists (listed here on 17 January and currently used on 20 articles): {{Macedonian-bio-stub}}. Still no sight of a -geo-stub. BTW, the -bio stub should still be renamed. --Valentinian 22:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll move it, but the former name will still be there a redirect. It's going to have to be reworded carefully, though, because of the Macedonia-Greece issues. Grutness...wha? 23:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: Macedonian-bio-stub is a direct copy of Macedonia-bio-stub, so should be sfd'd anyway.

{{Music-history-stub}}/Category:Music history stubs

Created 29 December 2005. I can find no record of this being previously listed here or proposed. Looks well formed but currently has only 8 articles. --Bruce1ee 13:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

should be music-hist-stub, no? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 21:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid so. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is currently used on 8 articles. It should be deleted. --Valentinian ^(talk) 00:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Mexico-band-stub}}/Category:Mexican musical group stubs

Created 21 February 2006 without a proposal. I've adjusted the template and category. It currently has 15 articles. Worth keeping as there are quite a number of Mexican bands in {{band-stub}}. --Bruce1ee 05:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Has grown to 37 articles. --Bruce1ee 10:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Currently at 45 articles. --Bruce1ee 05:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Tycoon-cvg-stub}}/Category:Tycoon Computer Games stubs

Discovered when its creator (User:Primate) added it to the stub type list (I've removed it while it's discussed). The template is now well-formed (as I have removed the noinclude from the category name), but the category has no parents and is incorrectly capitalised. More importantly, though, the main Category:Tycoon computer games has only 23 articles, so the chances of it containing the necessary 60 stubs are approximately nil. In any case, these stubs are already well-served with {{strategy-cvg-stub}}. Unless there are significant reasons not to, this should be sfd'd. Grutness...wha? 05:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I left a note with the creator of this and he agrees that it's overly narrow a categorisation. He's moved the articles to simulation-cvg-stub and asked for this to be deleted so I've speedied it (request of only editor). It would be very nice if more editors were like that :) Grutness...wha? 23:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, March 2006

{{Tanzania-stub}} / Category:Tanzania stubs

Seems like we've had this for a little over a month. looks well formed and has nearly 80 stubs. A keeper, most likely. Grutness...wha? 23:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Already been discovered, see above. Kappa 16:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is currently used on more than 70 stubs. A definite keeper. Valentinian ^(talk) 23:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Lithuania-bio-stub}} / Category:Lithuanian people stubs

This one was created around a week ago. It is used on 59 articles, and both stub and category is well-formed. The parent category is still above threshold, and it is listed on WP:WSS/ST. A definite keep to me. --Valentinian ^(talk) 20:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Make that 73 articles. --Valentinian ^(talk) 23:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Filipino writer stubs / {{Philippines-writer-stub}}

User:A2Kafir (who should know better) just added this to the stub type list, yet it was (to my knowledge) never proposed. Has 35 stubs though, and is likely to grow. Grutness...wha? 06:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It did get listed on SFD for renaming recently, though, so it has at least the whiff of consensus about it.

Redirect to {{mathematician-stub}} -- along with {{mathbio-stub}} and {{math-bio-stub}}. Can we perhaps sic a bot on these to eliminate some of these redirects, and then get rid of at least the first one, as badly named? Doubtless if we put it straight onto SFD with the current (huge) number of transclusions, there will be much yelping. Alai 22:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, {{math-bio-stub}} may be the most well-formed of the 3 redirects, but it also had <50 articles using it, so I just retagged them manually. The other two each have hundreds. -GTBacchus^(talk) 22:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ISTR that mathbiostub was the original name, before we started making all the template names uniform. It could probably go with being removed, though, as could mathbio-stub. The others look fine. Grutness...wha? 23:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No matter which one is used {{math-bio-stub}} or {{mathematician-stub}} - the first is probably better for simplicity's sake, there's no use keeping the redirects. They only confuse more than they help (IMO). Valentinian ^(talk) 23:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unused template, about two months old. Category is a redlink. Kusma (討論) 10:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like prime SFD material... I think I'll take it there straight away! Grutness...wha? 22:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Kurd-politician-stub}} / Category:Kurdish politician stubs

Created on 3 March. Used on 14 articles. ~~Misformed~~Incorrectly named and will not reach 60 in any forseable future (given the number of stubs for Iran, Iraq, and Turkey.) I'm taking it to SFD --Valentinian ^(talk) 18:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via WP:SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 14:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Saudi-bio-stub}} / Category:Saudi people stubs AND {{Aramco-stub}} / Category:Saudi Aramco stubs

Created today. (Should've discussed but forgot.) - Eagle^talk 08:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

saudi-bios probably viable. theres no way in a million years that saudi-aramco-stub would be though and it should definately be sfdd. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there is. Only few of the giant oilfields (only Ghawar I think), and only 5 of many compounds and projects, and 3 of many notable people currently have articles. All of these stubs will include both {{petroleum-company-stub}} and {{SaudiArabia-stub}}, so I think it's useful to use just one category. - Eagle^talk 05:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

viable = having 60 or more stubs. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Saudi-bio-stub}} might be a good idea but {{Aramco-stub}} should be deleted ASAP. It will never reach any reasonable number of stubs. Valentinian ^(talk) 01:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Azerbaijan-stub}} / no category

This one seems to have risen from the grave. Well, the Caucasus categories are somewhat messy, so this might be as good a time as any to sort them out.

The status is as follows:

Generic categories {{Caucasus-stub}} and {{Caucasus-bio-stub}} (no -geo-stub).
Geo-stubs: All three nations have a -geo-stub above threshold, all are listed on WP:WSS/ST. The Georgian has a category named Category:Georgia (country) geography stubs which should be renamed to Category:Georgia geography stubs. No other problems here.
Bio-stubs: Armenia has a bio stub above threshold, listed on WP:WSS/ST. Georgia probably has enough material for a bio-stub but that would empty the {{Georgia-stub}} so I'm not proposing that one yet.
National stubs: {{Georgia-stub}} and {{Armenia-stub}} are old news. Today an impatient user recreated a (malformed) {{Azerbaijan-stub}}. I've cleaned up the code but not created a category (yet). I've been emptying the two Caucasus categories over into the Georgian and Armenian categories to populate them, so the generic Caucasus categories will very soon only contain material from Azerbaijan. The same user must have seen this since he changed one of the Caucasus stubs to an Azerbaijani stub (I've reverted that one). Given the circumstances, I suggest that we keep the {{Azerbaijan-stub}} and I'll continue finding material to populate it properly. Creation of additional -bio-stubs for Georgia and Azerbaijan can always be done later if/when enough material exists. We also need to decide if the generic Caucasus-categories should be deleted since all three countries now have a stub. If we delete the generic Caucasus ones, we need to decide if these stubs should belong to Europe or Asia. The Georgian one seems to be swayed towards Europe, but I'm open to suggestions. Valentinian ^(talk) 01:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

comment: Category:Georgia (country) geography stubs was deliberately named that way because of the obvious problemsof confusion with Category:Georgia (U.S. state) geography stubs. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update I've sorted the last part of the generic categories. The Azerbaijan-stub is now up to 67 articles, so in my book, it is clearly needed. Valentinian ^(talk) 11:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok regarding the Georgian one, but in that case, the two Georgian stub categories should be named more consistently. The Azerbaijani one should also be given a "proper" stub category. It is now up to 70 articles btw, so it clearly fills a hole in the system. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I don't hear any protests, I'll create the proper category and add the stub to WP:WSS/ST one week from now. Valentinian ^(talk) 10:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No opposition having emerged, I'm creating a proper category and adding it to WP:WSS/ST Valentinian ^(talk) 18:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Marine life-stub}} & Category:Marine life stubs

Created to go with Wikipedia:WikiProject Marine life, but largely superfluous, since all such organisms can already be stubbed by classification {{plant-stub}}, {{fish-stub}}, {{invertebrate-stub}}, etc. This would therefore only lead to double-stubbing. The whole caboodle (project, portal, stub, categories, etc.) seems to be the work of a single editor. --Stemonitis 05:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - this slams sideways into the hierarchy which is split by phylum and class - this covers several kingdoms. Don't see any reason this one should be kept. And even if it was kept the template would need a rename. Grutness...wha? 07:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{ND-stub}} / Category:North Dakota stubs

Created today, and only used on one article. Badly named, and not proposed on WP:WSS. Author has added it to WP:WSS/ST. Hmm, a WikiProject apparently exists, and so does a {{NorthDakota-politician-stub}} which is ~~in active use~~ undersized. Not sure if it has any potential. In any case, it should be renamed to {{NorthDakota-stub}}. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update Author had hidden the category away for the -politician-stub, I should have double checked it before. The -politician-category is only used on 32 articles (sigh!) Valentinian ^(talk) 22:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

rename it and check it in a month or so. if it hasnt grown then sfd it. even with a wp one stub isnt enough. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed to {{NorthDakota-stub}} via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Australia-settler-stub}} / Category:Australia settler stubs

We created this a week or so ago. I made a category for settlers of Australia and another person, User:Thebainer, who read my discussion on the Australian noticeboard made the Australia-settler-stub and stub category. We didn't know it was that necessary to undergo a global review process and didn't see the notice. I updated the stub sorting project's notice on stub categories so this is actually noticeable! I hope we can keep this stub regardless, even though it has only 2 articles in it at present. Because Australian has only been settled 200 years there is a lot of recent information about settlers and in Australia they are practically all notable. What do you think? Donama 04:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ISTR discussion about stubs for early settlers a few months back, and they were generally thought to be OK as long as they were on an individual country basis. So the main stumbling block here might be the number of articles. We would have asked for a guaranteed 50-60 stubs before okaying the stub type, but if this category's likely to grow to that sort of size fairly soon (i.e. the next couple of months) there shouldn't be too many problems. Be warned though - if it still has only a handful of stubs after that time it is likely to be nominated for deletion! Grutness...wha? 08:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Ps - I fixed the template so that it conforms to the usual way stub templates are written (NEVER "noinclude" the stub category!). It may be worth changing the template to the more usual Category:Australian settler stubs, too, but we'll see if there are other opinions on that one before making any change. Grutness...wha? 08:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{StarTrek-ep-stub}} / Star Trek episode stubs

These were both created a few days ago and currently contain 1 stub. These are recreations (albeit with different wording) of {{ST-ep-stub}} and its associated category, which were both upmerged to {{StarTrek-stub}} as per the SFD decision here. --TheParanoidOne 10:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...which makes it speediable, no? Grutness...wha? 10:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per Grutness Valentinian ^(talk) 11:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taken out back and shot. Doesn't even appear to have been any "delegated" or "local" discussion of this on the WPJ (where I'll leave a note about this). Alai 23:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{UTexas-stub}} / Category:University of Texas at Austin stubs

I created this stub today because I wasn unaware there is a process for stub creation. I'm sorry about that. I will not make that mistake again. There are currently 42 articles in this category, and I am stilll looking for others that should be included. These articles are being found and improved through Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Texas at Austin. Johntex\^talk 20:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty sensible to me. Template name is a tad terse, but not unduly cryptic. (Still trying to work out why I thought there was a problem with the category name, and sleep deprivation seems to be the leading differential diagnosis.) Alai 20:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- oop - didn't notice this - I've just put it on sfd. Most of the articles on it are better suited to other stub categories, and the idea of different stubs for different universities is a bit daunting - we don't want a couple of thousand new stub types. But there is a Wikiproject, so that does change things a bit. hmm - this requires a biot of thought. Grutness...wha? 00:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The only problem with this is that there are definitely other University of Texas branches and the current stub name doesn't make it clear that it's just for Austin. If there are a significant number of stubs related to University of Texas (as I'd imagine there might be), it might better justify the category if it included all of the branches rather than just one. Aelfthrytha 00:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, April 2006

Cat:Brandenburg geography stubs / {{Brandenburg-geo-stub}}

Created yesterday as a child of {{Germany-geo-stub}}. Since the parent category was only split a month ago, and there weren't 60 then (I can't remember the exact count), I don't think this will reach threshold now. I suggest we leave it for the moment, but have it feed into Category:Germany geography stubs. --Stemonitis 10:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Slovenian people stubs / {{Slovenia-bio-stub}}

Created yesterday without consulting WP:WSS/P. Originally used on 10 articles. I've populated it and it is now up to 125 articles (so it is seems to have been a good idea.) The parent stub is now down to 36 stubs, but it serves as a holder of the -bio-stub. Valentinian ^(talk) 18:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, it was proposed. Conscious 13:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Shoot me :) You are right of course. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Mexico-singer-stub}}/Category:Mexican singer stubs

Created 10 December 2005 without a proposal (that I can see). It seems well formed and currently has 45 articles. Probably worth keeping to help thin out {{singer-stub}}. --Bruce1ee 09:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Thailand-bio-stub}} / Category:Thai people stubs

Created on March 23, used on 92 articles. A good idea, I've listed it. Conscious 13:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Digitaldivide-stub}} / Category:Digital Divide stubs

Created on 29th March, used in 2 articles. I think this is too narrow.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And one of them is a full article, so it is effectively used on one stub. Strong delete. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

this one looks like sfd-stuff to me. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cat:Pakistani film stubs / {{Pakistan-film-stub}}

Created on March 30th without a locatable proposal. Might be useful, but has some formatting issues. Filed for now under Cat:Pakistan stubs Aelfthrytha 20:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{US-rail-bio-stub}} / Category:United States rail biography stubs

Found this one today, created April 1, but it helps reduce {{US-rail-stub}} by about a hundred articles. Slambo (Speak) 21:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Nuremberg U-Bahn stub}} / Category:Nuremberg U-Bahn stubs

Also found today, created March 31. Currently used on 45 articles. Slambo (Speak) 21:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

desparately needs renaming tho. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{African-music-stub}} / no category

Created today without a proposal. It doesn't have its own category and uses Category:Music stubs instead, which is not correct. Currently used in only 2 articles and appears to be part of WP:AFR. --Bruce1ee 09:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Tintin-stub}} / Category:Tintin stubs

Created 31 January; 21 stubs; a child of the overlarge Comics stubs. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taken to SFD for either rescoping upwards or deleting. Caerwine Caerwhine 02:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Comic artist-stub}} / Category:Comics artist stubs

Template created last 11 November, category not created until 17 March. Used by only 2 stubs, but with Category:Comics creator stubs being a verylarge category, I can see the desire to split out those who have been only writers or only artists, tho I am uncertain that would be an optimum split. If kept the template needs renaming, but the category is approprate, so before taking the template to SfD, I'd like some feedback as to whether the category should go as well. Caerwine Caerwhine 23:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

would probably be better to split by nationality same as we do with all other occupations. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Hindu-myth-stub}} / Category:Hindu mythology stubs

"helpfully" made by user:Dangerous-Boy but already covered by {{hinduism-stub}} which only has about 600 stubs. not really needed. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no template / Category:Computer vision stubs

Created March 22 by user:KYN. Articles within use {{compu-stub}} rather than their own template, and the stub category is added manually. Suggested creation of stub template and proposal procedure on user's talk page on March 28; received no reply in the intervening time, though user is still active. –Unint 07:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the whole computer vision section is ~~fucked~~ badly categorised anyway - ive just put a load of very badly named cats on cfd from there. there are less than 60 articles in total in Category:Computer vision btw, so this ones not needed. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 02:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit late, but I've started the SfD. –Unint 02:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Poland-band-stub}} / Category:Polish musical group stubs

Created 8 April 2006 without a proposal. It currently has 44 articles. Worth keeping as this could grow. --Bruce1ee 07:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This has grown to 59, so I've listed it. --Bruce1ee 14:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Iceland-band-stub}} / Category:Icelandic musical group stubs

Created 8 April 2006 without a proposal. It currently has 10 articles. I'm not sure about this one – I can't see it growing to 60. --Bruce1ee 07:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Cyprus-geo-stub}} / Category:Cyprus geography stubs

Created without proposal 7 April 2006. Used on 40 articles. Valentinian ^(talk) 17:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No surprise - I've been expecting this one for ages. Currenly below threshold, but with a group of fervent editors. Weak keep on this one, since it looks well formed and it's likely to grow to 65 fairly rapidly. There were 43 Cypriot geo-stubs in my last tally - eight of them haven't been moved into here, so this category will have 48 stubs in a couple of minutes. Grutness...wha? 01:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have created this stub because in the category cyprus stubs there was a template which was saying: "This category is maintained by WikiProject: Stub sorting. Please propose new stub categories here before creating fresh categories and templates." I just followed this instruction. Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals Personally I have purposed this stub (i was 81.4.163.134) but unfortunatelly my purpose was deleted by the rever of User:Bruce1ee.

I also provide you the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting and then see how big is cyprus stub, which is a mess. (User:KRBN Talk?) 12:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the reversion of your edit to WP:WSS/P was wrong (probably an accident), but it still wouldn't have told us anything - all it said was "See cyprus-stub". Cyprus-stub leads to a small stub category - they're generally only split when they have about 600 stubs or more in them. We've still got some waiting to be split with over 2000 stubs. A category with only 200 or so stubs is not really an urgent split at all. And it certainly isn't a mess - it's actually a very reasonable category and quite nicely maintained, by the looks of it. If you want to see the sort of category that does qualifty as a mess needing urgent splitting, you should have a look at some of the categories on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/To do. Grutness...wha? 11:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did revert 81.4.163.134's edits on 7 April because a huge chunk of the page had been blanked [4]. I didn't however notice that a valid proposal had also been made and I apologise that it was deleted. --Bruce1ee 11:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Pirate-stub}} & {{Privateer-stub}} / No categories

Included in 19 and 14 articles respectively, without much hope of rapid expansion. Both were created today (14 April), have no associated WikiProject, and the templates just feed the articles into the main category spaces Category:Pirates and Category:Privateers rather than stub categories. If they stay, I'd suggest merging them with each other in some way, maybe a {{Navy-bio-stub}} to bring in other articles from Category:Military biographical stubs and its subsidiaries for some bulk. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 19:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Navy-bio-stub seems a little antithetical - although many pirates were naval characters, they're often thought of as being specifically non-navy. A merge of some sort would be better - possibly into pirate-bio-stub. I'd suggest buccaneer-stub, but both buccaneer and privateer seem to refer primarily to specific types of pirate, so pirate-bio-stub has the broadest catchment. Grutness...wha? 00:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there'll have to be something to make explicit whether or not the template is for traditional Long John Silver-style pirates, or will include people guilty of Software piracy or Pirate radio broadcasts. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 01:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

mm. Good point. Any other possible name suggestions? Grutness...wha? 07:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Form a {{Sailor-stub}} and dual it with {{crime-bio-stub}}, I guess. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 03:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bumping this. I found it again today. Cat for Privateer-stub is Category:Privateers Amalas =^_^= 18:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

created by a newbie along with Category:Building Stubs. I've deleted the category and turned the template into a redirect to our long-used {{struct-stub}}

{{SchleswigHolstein-geo-stub}} / Category:Schleswig-Holstein geography stubs

Created by Markussep, a prodigious German geography contributor, and already filled with over 50 articles. There's no doubt that this will be needed. --Stemonitis 07:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks well-formed. No doubt you're right about it usefulness, too. Seems to be a keeper. Grutness...wha? 07:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now up to 87 articles. Never underestimate a Danish historian :) Valentinian ^(talk) 10:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Markus is populating it as well, and now up to 100. I've taken the liberty of listing it on WP:WSS/ST. Valentinian ^(talk) 11:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was guessing as to what the stub would be for Roman Catholic stub, so I tried this. When I found out that it existed, but didn't look like a regular stub, so I checked it out. It looks like it's only linked on one page, here. So, it was supposed to be deleted, but wasn't. At least there are no articles that use it... Amalas 13:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redirected to {{RC-stub}}. Conscious 14:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- A follow-up on that: it wasn't actually listed for deletion before - it was mentioned at SFD as a potential new name for RC-stub, but was turned down since not all Catholics are Roman Catholic. {{Catholic-stub}} is a new one that's only been around about a week. Grutness...wha? 04:27, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I speedy-deleted the empty category before I realsied there was a template...which didn't link to the category. Seems to have quite a few stubs, but if kept it needs a category. One that it connects to. Grutness...wha? 06:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Luxembourg-bio-stub}} / Category:Luxembourgish people stubs

Created one month ago. No parent category but looks well formed. I've populated the stub and it's now up to 63 articles. A keep to me. 23:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Make that 73 now :) Valentinian ^(talk) 23:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Blogging stubs

Moved from Wikipedia talk:stub

I was doing a bit of a tidy up on a random vlogger, BowieChick and was looking for some stub to throw on it. I found Template:Vlog-stub and the Category as shown above. However, vlog-stub has like 5 things in, and is probably too narrow a stub type. Whereas there doesn't seem to be a generic stub for bloggers is there? I could look further, but I really don't care much for blogs or blogging anyway, but would like to point this out to those stub fetishists who keep the WP running. - Hahnch e n 14:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This query was moved over from Wikipedia talk:Stub - Hahnch e n 20:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think we've had a proposal for a blogstub in the past which was rejected, since virtually no articles on blogs would survive afd. The correct stub to use would be WWW-stub, I'd think. Certainly five articles isn't enough for a stub type. Unless it grows soon this should go to WP:SFD. Grutness...wha? 03:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I actually abhor most blogs, and thought the now ended War on Blogs was a pretty good concept. Most of them are self promoting vanity pages, or put up by a rabid fan. But there has to be quite a lot of bloggers/blogs on Wikipedia now, no? I definitely think the vlog-stub is too narrow, and I doubt it's going to grow. But I think a blogging stub would be quite useful, I mean, we have stubs for webcomics, and they're just as poor. - Hahnch e n 12:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there are 60 blog stubs, fine; if no,t upmerge to {{website-stub}}. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This one seems to be an unproposed chip off an old category. Unfortunately, it is only used on a mere three articles. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Free software-stub}} / Free software stubs

Both created on 27th March 2006. Template not used on any articles. Category only contains one subcategory (Category:Linux stubs). The category might be worthwhile as a container for all the free software stub categories (Linux stubs, KDE stubs, GNOME stubss) but I'm not sure how useful the template would be. --TheParanoidOne 21:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having thought about it a bit more, sorting by license type is completely unhelpful for stub sorting. --TheParanoidOne 05:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

not much id think - and none at all with a gap in the name. wouldnt it make more sense to split software by what it does than by whether its free? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. --TheParanoidOne 05:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This one should have growth potential, but it is still only used on a mere three article. SFD? Valentinian ^(talk) 12:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This could easily be populated from the corresponding permie, as I noted at /P, the question is whether it should be. I don't personally think it's an ideal axis, but given the size of the parent, I wouldn't rule it out entirely, either. Alai 19:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lets see here, it starts a new axis for splitting the software stubs, and despite being populatable, no one cares enough to do so? Send it to SFD. At worst, we'll find someone who cares enough about the type to populate it. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The no-one-cares argument is, as I say, misplaced, since it's an "unofficial" type (hence it being here), and proposing it produces objections (though not unusually, little in the way of concrete counter-proposals). If we're going to send such signals not to populate a type, we shouldn't then complain that it's not being populated. But in theory SFD could produce some clarity and/or activity, yes. Alai 20:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Postal-stub}} / Category:Postal stubs

Quite sensible-sounding, but only used on seven. Any idea if this will be size-viable? Alai 23:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

any chance of a merger with philately-stub, which IIRC is also undersized? Grutness...wha? 05:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that one has exactly 60 articles, but I like the idea. Merge to this category, I assume? (Or an explicitly "and stamps" one?) Alai 06:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

mm. not sure. Maybe worth arguing out which one gets to stay or whether a renamed umbrella is needed over at sfd. Grutness...wha? 07:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hesitate to slap SFD notices on both, thereby causing two sets of enraged locals (with pikes, pitchforks, burning torches, etc) to descend upon us. Maybe I could try to be really sneaky, and merely "innocently" suggest "renaming" them both to Category:Post stubs? :) Alai 07:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Wales-footybio-stub}}}} / Category:Welsh football biography stubs

New, unproposed, small. Alai 04:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is now up to 52 articles. Let's give it a bit more time. Valentinian ^(talk) 10:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{dallas stub}} / Category:Dallas stubs

Created 20 April, used on 13 articles, doesn't follow naming conventions. Should probably be upmerged. --CComMack 00:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there's a Dallas WikiProject then just renaming may be better - other than that I'd agree about an upmerge. I bet they're mainly geo-stubs, too. Grutness...wha? 02:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

US writer subcats

The following have recently appeared on the stub type list:

These may be useful - I don't know, I haven't done any counts - but at least one (preferably two) of them need their categories renamed. Grutness...wha? 10:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe these were created by Alai. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#US_writer_sub-stubs. Her Pegship 20:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{microsoft-stub}} / Category:Microsoft stubs

Both created in March 2006. Used on <20 stubs, most of which are software stubs. I'm not sure whether splits by company (software or otherwise) is a good idea. --TheParanoidOne 14:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, May 2006

{{arena-stub}} / Category:Arena stubs

In parallel to the discussions on /P about the merits of some such stub, one's been created. Current scope is apparently ice hockey arenas, which is misleadingly narrow. Should be either renamed, or rescoped, I'd think. Alai 23:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i thought the discussion decided that it wasnt a good idea to have a seperate arena-stub. id redirect to stadium-stub. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC) (unsigned nomination)[reply]

I was as well. Delete this redundant stub. Grutness...wha? 06:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given the creator and the apparent intent, I doubt there's any relationship between the two, hence "in parallel". Alai 06:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whichever it is, I still don't think it's particularly useful. Perhaps redirecting to stadium-stub until that discussion's reached some form of concluson would make sense? Grutness...wha? 07:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this, please. If it's arenas in general, it's parallel and pretty pointless. If it's just ice hockey arenas, the category gets really difficult to use in the case of multi-use arenas. --fuzzy510 02:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{running-stub}} / Category:Running stubs

Found this stub with only 4 articles. There are many more from the sports-stub catagory that would better fit unber a running stub. I think the catagory should be created.Mike 20:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dont! this sounds like a duplicate of {{athletics-stub}} which i think it should redirect to. the majority of track and field athletics stubs will almost certainly be about running and all (or virtually all) running stubs will relate to track and field. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 04:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Didnt see the athletics stub before, good find! agree its a duplicate then. Mike 04:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've listed it and another similar stub at SFD, though redirecting is probably a better option. Grutness...wha? 05:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Several paranormal stub type

There's a small menagerie of embryonic stub types at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Paranormal. I've suggested they might simply use one stub type, scoped for their whole project. Alai 03:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there are eight listed there but two of them have been used for a long time - para-stub and myth-stub. theres also occult-stub which they havent listed. between the three of them they should cover just about everything. The monster-stub and cryptozoology-stub look identical to me and cross discussions about an animal-myth-stub at WP:WSS/P. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd missed para-stub: rather defeats my suggestion of a new type, if there's already that one. I suggest we give them a little while to mull it over, and then start bashing stuff together. Alai 06:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Greek mythology stubs

Talking of matters mythic, what's going on with this category? It's tiny, but has been around for months. (I assume it was never actually proposed, but it sounds sensible enough in theory.) Anyone fancy populating it, or should I drag it off to SFD for upmerging, since it's certainly not growing "organically". Alai 17:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's quite astonishing... I'll see what other stubs I can scrounge up for it, but at the moment it's useless. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two minutes work and it's up to 197 stubs! (The two minutes work was fixing the "noinclude" someone had added to the template!) Grutness...wha? 01:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! Now that I didn't think to check... It's amazing the bespoke code that people get it into their heads to add to templates, without evident signs of knowing what they're doing. (Not that I know what I'm doing in wikicode either, but then again I try to avoid doing such "novel" stuff.) So why were there any articles in the category, were they being included by direct cat-coding, or another template...? Alai 17:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Orthadox-stub}} / Category:Orthadox stubs

Came across this one stub sorting in Category:Stubs. Horrible misspelling and repeat of {{Orthodoxy-stub}}. Speedy delete please... Amalas =^_^= 14:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And it's linked to Category:Religeon stubs (the last part of this sentence has been removed by the censors). Taking them all to SFD. Valentinian ^(talk) 15:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Zoroastrianism-stub}} Category:Zoroastrianism stubs

I can't recall seeing a proposal for this one. A bit oddly formed and only used on 12 articles. Viable? Valentinian ^(talk) 21:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May be worth sorting through {{Asia-myth-stub}}, since that's where I dumped the Persian myths later used in Zoroastrianism during the {{myth-stub}} split. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 11:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stadium offshoots

Found these two today when going through stadium stubs:

Africa stadiums I'd say is worth keeping - there's a proposal going for a division of stadiums, and continent is a great way to do it. Mexico, however, I'd say should go. Only 14 articles, and I don't see much room for expansion. --fuzzy510 03:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Africa- was in fact proposed. Alai 03:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{NI-footyclub-stub}}/Category:Northern Irish football club stubs

AFAIK it wasn't proposed, undersized with 35 articles. Alai suggested upmerging to a new UK category, seems like a good idea to me. New cat would also be good home for Welsh clubs, and a new parent for the Scots and English stub cats. --E ivind ^t ^@^c 05:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Andorra-stub}} / Category:Andorra stubs

Created today without proposal. Very nicely formed and listed at /ST by its creator. I've populated it more, so it is now up to 67 articles. Keep. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Turkey-band-stub}} / Category:Turkish musical group stubs

Created 13 May 2006 without a proposal. Looks well formed, but currently only has 7 articles. --Bruce1ee 08:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Up to 25 articles now – could be useful. --Bruce1ee 07:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Ukraine-hist-stub}} + cat (+ new redirect)

I've not sure this quite counts as a "discovery", but as we don't have a "pointless recreations" sub-page; this was recreated 10 days after being deleted at SFD, and is still unneeded, unproposed, and most to the point, undersized. Some of the tagged articles, such as Polish Autonomous District, are exercises in quadruple-stubbing futility. I've gotten nowhere asking the (re)creator what he's up to, and would be highly tempted just to speedy this, but as original nominator, original deleter, and person-getting-annoyed-about-the-whole-thing, it might be wise for me to step away for a while. Alai 04:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've done the next best thing. I've speedy-deleted both the redirect and category, and turned the template into a redirect to Ukraine-stub. If it happens again, Irpen will need to be had a word with. Grutness...wha? 06:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Seems to have happened again, mind you! Alai 06:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found this template today because it sorts things into Category:Stubs because there is no Category:Mascot stubs. It had previously been listed on this page (also quoted below), but nothing came of it. Amalas =^_^= 16:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I speedy-deleted the empty category before I realsied there was a template...which didn't link to the category. Seems to have quite a few stubs, but if kept it needs a category. One that it connects to. Grutness...wha? 06:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Category restored. --TheParanoidOne 21:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Travel-stub}} / Cat: Travel stubs

Previously deleted in Feb 2006 and then re-created on 7 May 2006. Used on exactly one stub. Please speedy delete this. Amalas =^_^= 17:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Mast-stub}} / Cat: Mast stubs

stubs TV,radio,communications masts. Created on 07:43, 6 July 2005 by User:Grutness. Contains approx. 4 pages of articles. - The DJ 11:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually on the stub types list already. --TheParanoidOne 19:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And was proposed and debated at the time, as you can see here. In fact, it's getting close to the point of splitting it by continent. Grutness...wha? 00:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{93stub}} / Category:Thelema stubs

Oddly named and undersized (26), also feeds into Category:Occult stubs. --E ivind ^t ^@^c 23:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a wikiproject, so it's just about OK, size-wise. Now, ask me why the wikiproject is linked to from article space templates, but not the stub page, or why the template's named as it is, and I'd only be able to say "that'd be why they call it 'occult'". Rename, and fix categories. Alai 20:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of categories

Category:Himachal Pradesh geography stubs and Category:Polish football biography stubs have been populated, so I've added them to WP:WSS/ST. Conscious 10:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{China-mil-stub}} / Category:Chinese military stubs

Created around half a year ago. I don't remember it being proposed and it is used on a massive 8 articles. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{EasternOntario-geo-stub}}; {{SaintPetersburg-geo-stub}}

For some bizarre reason, the first was proposed, then the proposal immediately removed, and then created anyway, and populated almost up to threshold, all by the same person. Strange, but fair enough, though in no way necessary, much less urgent. Then they've created the second, which is considerably undersized at present, and I have my doubt about its ultimate viability, as its parent, which covers a vast area, is barely more than a single listings page. Alai 16:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Chhattisgarh-geo-stub}} / Category:Chhattisgarh geography stubs

Created two days ago, currently empty; no idea about viability. Alai 18:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Brandenburg-geo-stub}} / Category:Brandenburg geography stubs

Created months ago, but never populated. Alai 18:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, yes and no, it fed into the generic German category. It is used on 41 articles. Valentinian ^(talk) 17:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Make that 53 articles. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. One of these days I'll remember to check that stuff... Alai 01:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Gvrd-stub}}|Category:Greater Vancouver Regional District stubs

Created March 1st, used on >200 articles, and part of wikiproject. Needs to be renamed. --E ivind ^t ^@^c 09:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

was dealt with by sfd in march but we forgot to rename the template. should be redirected to {{vancouver-stub}} or renamed {{vancouver-geo-stub}}. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I closed that one, and no consensus to rename the template was evident; or indeed, even explicitly proposed. The category was renamed: if you think the current name is bad... We can take another tilt at it on SFD if you like, but unless there's a consensus to delete gvrd-stub even as a redirect and mass-template-replace to some mouthful like GreaterVancouver-stub -- which I imagine the wikiproject will complain loudly against -- the net effect seems likely to be minimal (i.e. none, or moving the template and continuing to use the redirect). Alai 00:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Related, and also not listed at WP:WSS/ST, are {{BritishColumbia-stub}}/Category:British Columbia stubs, {{Vancouver-stub}}/Category:Vancouver stubs, and {{Vancouver-bio-stub}}, the last of which sorts articles into Category:Vancouver stubs rather than having its own. That'll make a future split easier, I guess. Anyway, I couldn't find any of them listed anywhere on this project except for right here, and they do have a project of their own, with whom I guess we should be in touch. They all seem well-formed and populated (90-ish articles per cat?), at a cursory glance. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The bio-stub redirects to Vancouver stubs because we've made it if not policy then certainly a fairly strong guideline not to split bio-stubs by subnational regions where possible. people move around far too much and it's far easier to divide them by occupation. I'd agree that the template needs renaming though - I don't see much of a logical reason why Vancouver-x-stub can't refer to Greater Vancouver in the same way that London-geo-stub refers to Greater London rather than the city itself. Grutness...wha? 02:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- For one thing, there is really no definition of "London" other than "Greater London"; it certainly never refers to either of the component cities (stricto sensu). When those hit 800 (500 already, btw), we'll doubtless indeed split off whichever of the City, boroughs, or official-ish clumps thereof are viable. In this case, the latter option wouldn't just be a rename, it'd be a merge, and if the locals make a meaningful distinction between the two, unnecessary "unsorting". Alai 03:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - mmm, yes and no. There isn't a vancouver-geo-stub - perhaps having a sepatare vancouver-stub and vancouver-geo-stub might solve quite a few of these problems. Grutness...wha? 05:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Which'd be unsorting, and then re-sorting on a different axis... for what pressing purpose? Technically this wouldn't be a renom since it wasn't actually tagged and listed last time, just chucked into an on-going discussion, but in practice I strongly suspect this'd turn into the same discussion all over again. Mind you, technically it's hardly a discovery, either... Perhaps we should moot alternatives to the wikiproject directly rather than re-SFDing immediately. Alai 07:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{24 Stubs}}/Category:24 Stubs

It's not technically named right, but the biggest problem is that it's waaaay too narrow of a scope - only 17 articles in Category:24 (TV series) are marked as stubs, says StubSense. --fuzzy510 04:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

quick! find another seven so its accurate! :) lousy incorrect name which will need changing even if its kept so this one should go to sfd where with any luck it may end up... er... Lost. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Belarus-politics-stub}} / Category:Belarusian politics stubs

Reporting this one really bugs me and most of you probably know my opinion regarding Belarus, but here goes; created today and used on 19 articles (mostly on political parties, which normally have been stubbed with {{Belarus-stub}} and {{euro-party-stub}}. Three problems with this one:

It is way below the size threshold.
The template uses "politics-" rather than "poli-"
The use of the pre-Lukashenko flag is associated with the opposition. Valentinian ^(talk) 09:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding issue no. 3, I've swapped the image to a neutral map. Anyway, I'm not convinced this template will be viable. Valentinian ^(talk) 15:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Template:Nbl-stub}} and {{Template:Nblbio-stub}}

Created 4/23/06. Associated category does not exist. As far as I could tell, not included on anything. Kudos to Wikipedia:WikiProject_NBL. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One of them is not used at all, the other on 1 article, and the image is copyrighted logo. This is not good. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shall we SfD these then? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, June 2006

Created 5/30/06. No cat associated. Included on two articles. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 02:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this one can safely be taken straight to sfd. Grutness...wha? 05:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SFD? TFD? Redirect to {{Belgium-geo-stub}}? Conscious 17:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

either or both. its almost speediable as nonsense at the moment. lobster? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lobster??? Never mind! Delete. If the Belgian material becomes too big, we can start by splitting Flanders and Walonia. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created 2006-06-01. Noticed when the template creator decided to tag a number of American politicians with no obvious affiliation with Unitarian Universalism. Many of the tagged articles are also well beyond the simple stub level. --Allen3 ^talk 04:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

nneds a rename at least. has aboput 50 stubs tho. lets see how big it is when the "non-stubs" are taken out. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{US-poet-stub}} / Category:American poet stubs

Was this one ever proposed? It seems like the poets have been split from {{US-writer-stub}} (at least according to the text on the latter one) but there must be more than 12 US poets. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed here, summary of creation here. It had said there were 176 articles, but I don't know where they went. Amalas =^_^= 21:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Dukestub}} / Category:Duke University-related Stubs

I've had a look around and I don't think this has been proposed and accepted. It was created May 4, 2006 and editted May 30, 2006. Contains 14 articles in the category. - Erebus555 19:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty small, and it's not named right. I'd say to take it to SfD, but even if it does stay, it needs a name change and to have the logo removed (using logos for vanity purposes violates fair use) --fuzzy510 20:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i agree. both the template and cat are badly names so good work by whoever made it! BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Central Asian geography stubs

I was about to start on the latest geo-stub tally when I discovered that User: Ketiltrout had taken it upon him/herself to create several new stub types:

They're all well formed, just a bit small - in two cases quite considerably so (Turkmenistan 28, Uzbekistan 32). The rest can probably survive OK, but these two may need to be upmerged if they don't get close to threshold soon. In the case of Kyrgyzstan, we had only recently voted to upmerge it back into the Central Asia category at SFD, so technically it could be speedied. On the bright side, if these are all kept, then there's no reason to keep the CAsia-geo-stub or category. Grutness...wha? 01:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just keep 'em. It'll grow in eventually. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created today, redirects to {{stub}}. Should probably just be deleted. Amalas =^_^= 21:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only used on 2 articles but sorely needed. Will populate quickly. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 05:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{STP-stub}} / Category:São Tomé and Príncipe stubs

Has 55 articles, but the name is quentionable, since it is an abbreviation. In my opinion naming it that way would easier though.--Carabinieri ^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 16:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the templates been on SFD since yesterday! BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 22:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Angola-stub}} / Category:Angola stubs

Now has 62 articles, keep.--Carabinieri ^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 16:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been expecting this one for a long time. I've been bold and added it to WP:WSS/ST Valentinian ^(talk) 19:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Zambia-stub}} (no cat.) and {{Zimbabwe-stub}} / Category:Zimbabwe stubs

I was about to propose these two but they've already been created! Both seem viable.

{{Zambia-stub}}: c. 80 excl. geos. [5] (Apparently created yesterday!)
{{Zimbabwe-stub}}: c. 100. Two child categories already exist. [6] (Created 1 month ago but I don't remember a proposal).

Valentinian ^(talk) 21:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there is a zambia-geo cat. these look useful enuf. keep them and make the cat. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 22:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've created it. It is clearly viable and the template is in active use. Valentinian ^(talk) 17:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{NHS-stub}} / Category:NHS stubs

Please keep. Very important for Wikipedia:WikiProject National Health Service. Very many entries (130+). The project needs to keep track of them so we can arrange a tidy-up and expansion. It is a sub-category of Category:United Kingdom medical organisation stubs but of course not identical to the latter!.--Smerus 07:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see this was the subject of an earlier discussion - what a pity it was not publicised at the time that it was under consideration. The NHS is the 3rd (or maybe 5th) largest organisation in the world. The WikiProject is trying to make some sense of it on Wikipedia. This means that a lot of stubs have been thrown up in a short time as we work out how to fill in the gaps. We are intending to start intensive work on the stubs soon; so the stubs have a functional purpose. The Category:United Kingdom medical organisation stubs may be appropriate for UK organisations which are not part of the NHS (e.g. BUPA, BMA, etc.) It cannot replace or substitute for Category:NHS stubs, which is organisation specific; and which, moreover, includes issues like reports, legislation and strategies which are not covered by Category:United Kingdom medical organisation stubs. I apologise that appropriate procedures were not undertaken, and regret that it was not possible for myself or other members of the WikiProject on the NHS to participate in the earlier discussion; but please retain this very helpful tool.--Smerus 08:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fits the criteria for a stub category. Please retain. 62.6.139.11 16:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it would have been better to debate this when it was up for deletion at WP:SFD rather than coming here after the debate had unanamously decided to rename and rescope it to UK-med-org-stub to cover all british medical organisations! if you want it remade id suggest proposing it at WP:WSS/P - which is what you should have done in the first place! BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 06:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I entirely agree - but I was not aware, nor was the WikiProject, that it was up for deletion or renaming. I am trying to deal with the situation as it is, recognising that it is not as we would like it to be....I hope you may accept the argument that the UK-med-org-stub does not cover by its nature the range of issues that the NHS-stub does --Smerus 12:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now formally reproposed here--Smerus 13:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{American-bio-stub}} (redirect)

I discovered this redirect to {{US-bio-stub}} whilst sorting through that category. Was used on 9 stubs, about half being Czech-Americans which makes some sense since {{Czech-bio-stub}} is an exception to our usual stub template naming rules of using country name rather than country adjective. Have either sent them all to a subtype or {{US-bio-stub}}. No strong opinion on whether to keep as a redirect. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Mauritania-stub}} / Category:Mauritania stubs and {{Comoros-stub}} / Category:Comoros stubs and {{Seychelles-stub}} / no cat

All are well formed, but IMO unlikely to reach threshhold.--Carabinieri ^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 13:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you included geo-stubs then a couple of them might be - both Mauritania and the seychelles are getting close to geo-stub splits. But once that happens the general categories will be back close to zero again. Grutness...wha? 14:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like he beat you to it, Grutness; {{Mauritania-geo-stub}} / Category:Mauritania geography stubs were also created today. I'm fixing the code on the {{Seychelles-stub}} but I'm not creating any category, unless its future has been decided. Valentinian ^(talk) 15:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If anybody's interested, it's apparently the same user creating all the recent Africa material. This seems to be the complete list: {{Angola-stub}}, {{Comoros-stub}}, {{DRCongo-stub}}, {{Mauritania-stub}}, {{Mauritania-geo-stub}}, {{Seychelles-stub}}, {{STP-stub}} and {{Zambia-stub}} I hope he'll propose new templates in the future. Valentinian ^(talk) 15:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I'll just let CrzRussian and a couple of others know all the stubs that need to go into Mauritania-geo-stub. There's about 50, so it's not too bad, but... grrrrr... Grutness...wha? 15:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we might as well make the best of the situation. If Mauritania-stub turns out to go through the floor after splitting off the geos, we can always upmerge it later. Btw, I don't normally edit other people's user pages, but in this case I've taken the liberty to subst:'d all the stub templates the creator had added to his user page. ... Valentinian ^(talk) 15:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why not wait a two weeks or so and then delete everything, that doesn't reach threshhold. I've been going through all the Africa-related stub cats anyway to try to find enough stubs country-splits (see User:Carabinieri/Africa).--Carabinieri ^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 16:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. In any case, I'm keeping a list of the countries without a national template (User:Valentinian/Country stub templates). Valentinian ^(talk) 16:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Comoros is up to 44 articles, Seychelles is up to 70 (incl. -geos I'm afraid), Mauritania is up to 50, Mauritania-geo is up to 52, Angola is up to 91 (excl. -geos), DR Congo is up to 74, São Tomé and Príncipe is up to 80, Zambia is up to 30, and Zimbabwe is up to 47 (with two viable children). Why not give the lot the chance to grow a little more? Who knows, more material could be lurking somewhere. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The naming is a little rough, and the category is under-populated, though it could probably receive a few articles from Category:Quebec geography stubs, which is edging towards a split anyway. In my opinion, this one should be replaced by something cleaner. Mindmatrix 18:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aside: this could be populated using entries found at: List of Quebec City boroughs. Mindmatrix 18:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i suggest QuebecCity-stub. at the moment it looks like its for cities in quebec province. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Mexico-stadium-stub}} / Category:Mexico stadium stubs

Properly named, and well-formed. Only has 45 articles (right now - I'm sorting Category:Stadium stubs and might populate it a little more in the process), but considering the size of its parent, I don't think it's unreasonable to bend the rules a little bit here. --fuzzy510 04:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Belarus-history-stub}} / Category:Belarusian history stubs

We already knew we had {{Belarus-politics-stub}} / Category:Belarusian politics stubs but it seems that we have *two* oddly-named and underused templates relating to this county. The "history" one is used on a mere 15 articles and the "politics" one is used on 19. I hate to say it, but I doubt any of them will reach threshold. Both were created on 27 May. Valentinian ^(talk) 12:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{AP-stub}} / (no associated stub category)

Associated non-stub categories are Category:Academic transfer and Category:Educational programs. Stub template created 1 June 2006 by User:^o^. Less than 50 articles are tagged with this template as of 11 June 2006. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What the @#$%^& have they got to do with AP? If kept (which I'm very doubtful or the worth of) it'll need a drastic rename. Grutness...wha? 06:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Watch your blood pressure, we can't afford to lose you). Ok, if we give this one the benefit of the doubt, perhaps only 95% of the World's population will think of the Associated Press first. Still, this means a drastic rename is in order iff the template is kept at all. I have to admit this material confuses me: some of the "articles" using it contain no text at all save a template. My first hunch would be to use {{edu-stub}} and just axe this one. On a more general note: I can see that this College Board (whatever it is) describes itself as not-for-profit (not non-profit), but this entire material looks a wee bit too much like an advertisement for my taste. Valentinian ^(talk) 10:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:) I'm fine (and thanks for the compliment!). SFD would be fine with me, too, since this doesn't make much sense and, as we both pointed out one way or the other, it's not what people are most likely to think of when they think AP. (FWIW, I actually work for one of the other APs on the list at AP (disambiguation) - Allied Press, but to me, A.P. means my gf - they're her initials :). Grutness...wha? 11:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can hear somebody sharpening an axe. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: College Board is both the company which administers the tests and the company which publishes test guide books for them. APs are a big deal for educators and the whole college-entrance industry. If kept, imho it should go under {{edu-stub}} per Grutness. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 22:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{IOM-stub}} / (no category)

Wow, this one has existed for more than four months. Oddly formed and no cat, but it is actually used. The articles on the local politicians looks pretty short, so it might have a relevance after all. If you hadn't guessed it already, yes, it has to do with the Isle of Man. In any case, it needs a rename. Valentinian ^(talk) 15:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've cleaned up the code, and it is actually used on 60+ articles. I'm taking it to SFD for renaming. Valentinian ^(talk) 17:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 19:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{sf-book-stub}} / {{sf-novel-stub}}

Not sure if this is where I should note this...I found that {{sf-novel-stub}} redirected to {{sf-book-stub}}, although the two parent categories seem distinctly different by their cat page descriptions. I have un-redirected the novel stub template and begun to sort out which stub articles belong where. Hope this works for all concerned... ♥ Her Pegship♥ 22:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm completely confused: what cat page descriptions? Category:Science fiction novels stubs didn't exist (and thus didn't have a description) until you created it a couple of hours ago, so on what prior basis did it "seem distinctly different"? In effect you're proposing (or rather, performing) a split of the "science fiction anthologies, short works, or books about science fiction", for which we have no indication of viability of, or consensus for. You should have taken this to /Proposals, surely. Alai 23:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! I omitted the word parent - The two parent categories seem distinctly different by their cat page descriptions. To elaborate:

I saw that there was a Category:Science fiction books, Category:Science fiction books stubs, and Category:Science fiction novels, but no Category:Science fiction novels stubs.
The explanatory text for Category:Science fiction books read: "This category is for articles about books which are not novels - for example, anthologies, reference works, etc. See also Category:Science fiction novels."
The text for Category:Science fiction novels read: "This category is for articles about science fiction novels, i.e. full-length, narrative-style works. For books which are not novels - for example, anthologies, reference works, etc. - see Category:Science fiction books."
It seemed that someone(s) had created the two separate categories but only one stub type, with {{sf-novel-stub}} and {{sf-book-stub}} both feeding into Category:Science fiction books. I read the discussion page for Category:Science fiction books, which explained the rationale for that category's existence but not for the redirect.

Since there was a Category:Science fiction books, Category:Science fiction books stubs, and Category:Science fiction novels, I assumed that the redirect of {{sf-novel-stub}} was a mistake. Anyway, I wasn't sure how to propose a stub type that already existed and only lacked a category. Please advise. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 02:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A template-redirect does not a stub type make; it could (and IMO should) have been proposed in the same way as any other proposal for a new type. Alai 17:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to propose it for deletion so I can go through the process. :( ♥ Her Pegship♥ 18:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To change topic from the extended discussion of change-of-venue: are there around 60 non-novels that would make a sensible separate "book" type, distinct from the "-novel-stubs"? Not that I think this split is at all necessary, but let's at least establish if it's feasible. Alai 18:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of folks have been working on the sf-book-stubs, and it looks like the majority are either (a) science fiction novels, (b) science fiction short stories, (c) science fiction anthologies, or (d) characters, locations, or phenomena from science fiction. A few non-fiction books are scattered in there, which could certainly go under nonfiction-book-stub. There are no stub types for items (a), (b), or (c). Otherwise, the definition of "science fiction book" as opposed to "science fiction novel" is unclear to me, and since the stub articles could be sorted elsewhere, perhaps there should be stub types created for the items I mentioned. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. The stub type for a), b), and c) would surely be "sf-book-stub"; my question is, is there sufficient numbers for a stub type for b), for c), or for combinations thereof. If there's not, then splitting, and moving 99% of the contents of sf-book-stub to sf-novel-stub seems like an epic waste of time. Alai 01:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

90% of sf-book-stub is going to end up in sf-novel-stub anyway. I can leave the rest of it in sf-book-stub, but I would like to revise the category description for Category:Science fiction books & sf-book-stub to read: "This category is for articles about [science fiction] books which are not novels - for example, anthologies, [short stories, novellas], etc." and leave "reference works" out of it. Maybe refer users to Category:Literary criticism. Eh? ♥ Her Pegship♥ 04:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If your 90% is correct, then essentially this is just a laborious way of doing an essentially unnecessary rename, and a slight rescope to make it less inclusive, while leaving the excluded stubs in an unviably small type. Why bother? Wasn't this gone over when the whole "novels" shebang was up on /P last? Alai 22:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whole bunch of U.S. state stubs & Category:Stubs by U.S. state

User:CoolKatt number 99999 had fun yesterday adding a stub type for every U.S. state that didn't have one. He also made sure that all the state stubs fed into a new category, Category:Stubs by U.S. state which feeds into Category:United States stubs. What he didn't do was propose any of this, add any appropropiate subtypes to the new stubs he created, or list them on the stub types list. I'm inclined to keep and fix these despite all this. We can use these as a logical starting point for further division of the rather unwieldy US-stub hierarchy. At the very least, we need to keep the cats and turn the templates into redirects of {{US-stub}} for those that don't have 60 stubs of their own. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ****. Even if we deleted them, they'd probably turn up again. It'd be great if you'd fix the mess. Valentinian ^(talk) 19:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

some of these would be speediable as recreations but is it worth the effort. the "stubs by state" nonsense should go tho. also send the boys around to have a word with CoolKatt number 99999. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given the number of subtypes of Category:United States stubs, a holding category for the state cats makes perfect sense as an aid to decluttering, tho I do think it could use a rename, so I'm going to take Category:Stubs by U.S. state to SFD. It would even serve as a useful holding bin for where to repoint the templates if we decide to sebd some of the cats to SFD for being undersized. Caerwine Caerwhine 01:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Stubs by U.S. state" renamed to "United States subdivision stubs" via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Corporation stubs

What have we here? Something created on 7 June and not used (and no template either). Looks like the work of a newbie. The correct category is Category:Company stubs. Valentinian ^(talk)

unused for over a week is speediable isnt it? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe so. Speedy. Valentinian ^(talk) 08:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And it's also a recreation of a deleted cat (probably inadvertently). Alai 17:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{NLP-stub}} / no associated cat

Used on exactly 3 articles. Delete please! Amalas =^_^= 18:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'd take this straight to SFD. --fuzzy510 23:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wales geo-stub nightmare

someone has decided to split the 600 welsh geostubs into 23 county subcategories. do the math - how many do you think have reached 60? only three have reached fifty and some of them havent even reached ten. i only found out becuase one of them had been named wrong and was up for renaming at WP:CFD. someone else had better have words with whoever did this becuase im likely to be very rude to them. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 03:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{india-sports-stub}} / Category:India sports stubs

I'm this close to taking this straight to SFD. Overlaps many categories that have already been established, and the majority of the stubs in the category would go into these categories. No reason to realign everything just for one category. --fuzzy510 07:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Dvd-stub}} / no cat.

Just now I ran into Template:Dvd-stub, which associated articles with Category:DVD stubs. Since the template is not widely used (I tagged maybe 11 articles with it before noticing the category isn't even created!), I wondered if there is a category involving DVDs (so that this template can be modified), or if such category should not exist, so that the template can be sent to TFD. Thanks. And sorry if this is not the right place to ask this. -- ReyBrujo 17:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(moved from Talk:WP:WSS/P)

It is badly named, there's no cat. and movies are sorted according to genre. We don't need this one. Valentinian ^(talk) 18:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for having listed it at the wrong page. I have TFD'ed the template. Thanks for the information! -- ReyBrujo 19:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stub templates are debated on WP:SFD. I'm moving your request there. Best. Valentinian ^(talk) 19:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 11:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{NZ-radio-station-stub}} / Category:New Zealand radio station stubs

Used on *one* article, and cat. is not connected to the parent template. Delete if it can't reach threshold (isn't 60 radio station stubs for NZ a bit steep?) Valentinian ^(talk) 09:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even as a kiwi I'll admit that's stretching things a bit. I could probably find 10-20 stubs, but 60? Grutness...wha? 03:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Horribly named, used on many articles, half of which were blank and have been redirected, half of the rest are blatant and obvious copyviolations. So much cleanup needed - I can't even begin... - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure this one's discussed further up the page. It's pretty horrible. And you didn't even mention the part about the template being transcluded onto those pages... Grutness...wha? 03:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Small and badly formed. The work of a WP. Valentinian ^(talk) 14:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Florida-sports-stub}}, {{Florida-media-stub}}

Small. I've cleaned up the code. Must be the work of WikiProject Florida. Valentinian ^(talk) 14:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mess with the U.S. stubs by state

A new cat's in town with a fondness for making and editing templates. However, he's changed the code of - apparently - all templates of the U.S. states, so they now diverge from the standard layout. Furthermore, he's created any templates he felt was missing (like e.g. {{Alabama-stub}} and {{Connecticut-stub}}). For pity's sake: Alabama is used on 1 article. On the positive side: the categories generally look fine. I've changed A-F to the standard layout, but this one's gonna take a while to fix and recheck, so all help is welcome. Valentinian ^(talk) 14:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As noted earlier, save for the non-standard template code. I've been going ahead and using these where appropriate while doing re-sorts, but I haven't made a concerted effort to populate any of them. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the code. All of them look ok now. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{OU-stub}} / Category:University of Oklahoma-related Stubs

Too small and badly named. The work of WikiProject Oklahoma. Anyway, the template should be renamed. OU also means - e.g. Odense University and there's probably also an Oregon Uni etc. somewhere. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that I am of the minority opinion that USC is the University of South Carolina, university stubs that go by just the initials should be verbotten. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nur ein 'T', bitte. Aber Sie haben ganz recht. (one T is enough, and I agree completely.) :) Valentinian ^(talk) 22:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As a graduate of OU (that is, Otago University), I should perhaps point out that the world's most famous OU is almost certainly Oxford University. And I agree with Caerwine... what USC stub??? And let's not even mention the "-reated"... SFD, anyone? Grutness...wha? 01:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To SFD. We should be aiming to re-split these by (entire) state, if necessary (or if people insist), not by individual institution. Alai 01:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second an SFD. Valentinian ^(talk) 08:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{southcarolina-history-stub}} + Category:South Carolina History Stubs

This category was created last week, was not proposed, is malformed, and contains two stubs. This is aside from the fact that a split of {{US-hist-stub}} has not yet been begun because it isn't needed. Could someone SFD it please? Aelfthrytha 23:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well you could yourself but OK. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Collegefootball-stub}} + College football stubs

I created these about five minutes before realizing there was a process I should have followed for proposing them. They are in connection with a new college football wikiproject. I hope you will forgive my ignorance and accept this stub/cat. BigDT 03:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Louisville-stub}} / Category:Louisville stubs

doiesnt look like theres a wikiproject but this one does have over 100 stubs. unfortunately most of them are geo-stubs but its probably keepable. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 07:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Zelda-stub}} / Category:The Legend of Zelda stubs

Created earlier this month and used on only one article. It appears to be associated with Wikipedia:WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series. As there are approximately 103 Legend of Zelda articles in total, I don't think there is a prospect of the stubs growing to a substantial number in the near future. Road Wizard 23:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also one of the most hideous-looking stub templates I've seen in my life. I'd recommend a mercy-SFDing. Alai 00:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This was created just a day or so ago as part of the new WikiProject Abortion. I've come up with a list of 75 stub articles in Category:Abortion and its subcategories, you can view that here, scrolling down just a screen or so. This template looks fine to me, but needs a category and to be double-checked that all is well-formed. There's also a question of parent stub types - perhaps {{Medicine-stub}} and {{Law-stub}}? -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget {{fem-stub}}. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks OK to me on all counts (aside from the mere matter of being proposed), if we apply your suggested categorisation, and even some even-if-he's-lying-he's-John-the-Baptist-like threshold of the list of 75 candidates, so I'd suggest filing under "forgiveness rather than permission" (said with tightly clenched sphincter, of course). Alai 01:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I promise to sort 200 {{UK-bio-stub}}s as pennance. A lot of people don't just know about WP:WSS/P, it turns out... -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
well, it is mentioned on the Wikiproject start-up template... im going to make it bigger there though. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject start-up template? What a great idea! -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)Hrm, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Confessional? Interesting concept, just don't tell the shades of my Presbyterian forebears. Not sure quite what we can reasonably do to publicise it more, and I confess I'm much more annoyed by people who're well aware of /P, but just can't be bothered, or regard it as "unwiki" or whatever. Alai 01:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unwiki? This project is the closest thing to a tight ship I've seen on this website. -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, its a tight ship and that makes it unwiki in the eyes of some. Also find some other pennance. I'm in the middle of sorting UK-bio-stub myself. I've managed to bring it down from 14 to 12 pages already and I'm only up to the F's. Normally I'd appreciate the help, but I'm also preparing the ground for some stub proposals. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Film-producer-stub}}, no cat

Just created by a newbie; no contents yet, and I'm not sure it was done correctly. Can some wiser head than mine please check? thanks - ♥ Her Pegship♥ 22:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify; 'twas not I who created it. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 21:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It was OK except for the fact that the contents belonged in a hypothetical Category:Film producer stubs not in {{film-producer-stub}}! I've corrected that problem. StubSense reports 306 stubs in Category:Film producers (list), so it certainly looks viable enough, and should even bring film-bio-stub down form overlarge status. Give it 7 days for anyone to issue an objection, and if we hear none, give it a cat and list it on the stub list. There are also enough to make adding a {{US-film-producer-stub}} at the same time viable. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Slight caveat as to the amount of <n>-stubbing this will produce, where n > 2, but on balance probably a good idea (and the US- subtype, as CW suggests). Alai 05:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 2006

{{Archbishop-of-Canterbury-stub}} / Category:Archbishops of Canterbury stubs

Aside from not being proposed, and some problems with the template and category names, with 90 stubs, it certainly meets the stub count minimum. Recommend taking this to SFD to fix the problems and also leaving a comment with the Anglicanism Wikiproject. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sent this off to SFD for a renaming just now. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cryptozoology_stubs and Template:Cryptozoology-stub

41 articles about weird mythological creatures. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

dont we have something like {{legendary-creature-stub}} for them? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 06:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Croatia-hist-stub}} and Category:Croatian history stubs

Created today, 8 articles so far. --Dijxtra 19:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{YCL-stub}} and Category:Communist youth movement stubs

Created 27 June. Used on 7 articles. Youth wings are normally stubbed the same way as their mother parties, so I don't see its use. Valentinian ^(talk) 00:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{1632-stub}} and Category:1632-verse stubs

The parent cat itself has less than 30 articles, so unless someone can think of a reason why not, I'll be quickly sending this one to SFD. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SFD it. The stub-splitting threshold is 60; the parent category has only 33 articles. How do you spell Q.E.D.? Grutness...wha? 05:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Korea-singer-stub}} / Category:Korean singer stubs

Used on a mere 7 articles. Not sure about its viability. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{clothingstub}} and Category:Clothing stubs

171 just through the letter E. Created 2 days ago. User is changing over articles tagged with {{clothing-stub}} which continues to be a redirect to {{fashion-stub}} by the hundreds using AWB - now at 170. This needs to be sorted out immediately. - CrazyRougeian talk/email 11:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

straight to SFD - same with the one below. This must be stopped asap. Grutness...wha? 11:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK... here's what I've done:

speedied fashionstub as a duplicate
repointed clothing-stub to the new Category:Clothing stubs
made clothingstub into a redirect to it.

At least that keeps things looking a bit more sensible. Clothingstub should still be deleted, but it's less urgent. I'll sfd it. Grutness...wha? 01:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

by the same user, is a clone of {{fashion-stub}} and redirects to the same cat as the original. - CrazyRougeian talk/email 11:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Scotland-royal-stub}} / Category:Scottish royalty stubs

Created on 31 May, nicely formed but only used on 35 articles. Valentinian ^(talk) 19:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Electromagnetism stubs / {{electromagnetism-stub}}

This seems to have been miraculously added to the stub-type list in the last few hours. No idea whether it would be useful... perhaps a "wait and see"? Grutness...wha? 06:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Beauty pageant contestant stubs / {{pageant-bio-stub}}

Added to the stub type list today. I've pulled it from there until it's discussed... is there really any need for this one? Grutness...wha? 23:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Croatia-hist-stub}} / Category:Croatian history stubs and {{Serbia-hist-stub}} / Category:Serbian history stubs

These two were created within the last week or so, but they are very undersized. I doubt they'll be able to reach 60 anytime soon (unless I've missed a lot of articles on the Bosnian war). Valentinian ^(talk) 14:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

{{Pennsylvania-stub}} / Category:Pennsylvania stubs

Discovered while stubbing some Pennsylvania road stubs. I assumed that it existed, but then I looked on WP:STUBS and it's not listed there. Supposedly deleted in October 2005 [7] Recreated in June 2006. Only 27 articles as of my timestamp. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 21:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{UU stub}} moved to {{UU-stub}} and Category:Unitarian Universalism stubs

Found this while sorting religion stubs. It seems viable, but the name needs to be fixed. (And for some reason, all the stubs here show up in {{reli-stub}} too and I'm not sure why... Crystallina 14:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Badly named. I don't see the double categorization. 70 pages in the cat. - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved it and fiddled with the stub code a bit. Somehow I got it to work; the downside is it involves taking every stub and resorting. Crystallina 15:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

UU fails the disambig test. I'm inclined to take this to SFR. Alai 16:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For a lot of people brought up in the UK, "UU" will instantly mean one of Northern Ireland's main political parties. I'd agree about sfr. Grutness...wha? 00:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought University of Utah :) - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Ohio-stub}} / Category:Ohio stubs

Similar to Pennsylvania-stub above (except it never went to SFD). Only 11 articles. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 16:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Motor vehicle stubs

Near as I can figure out, this got created as a byproduct of this CFD that renamed all the automobile manufacturer categories to motor vehicle maufacturer categories. {{auto-company-stub}} had its category moved by the person who closed out the CFD from Category:Automotive company stubs to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers to Category:Motor vehicle stubs which they then created. Now, with the change in the parent cats a case could be made for an SFR to Category:Motor vehicle company stubs, tho the stub type includes more than just manufacturers. Howver, since there is no Category:Motor vehicles, I'm going to take this directly to SFD for a deletion, possibly speedy once the template revert refills Category:Automotive company stubs. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, October 2005

{{Argentina-sport-stub}} / Category:Argentina sport stubs (on SFD)

Video game company stubs

Bunch of redirects

It's stub-berg season again...

Newly discovered, November 2005

{{Agri-stub}} redirects

Newly discovered, December 2005

{{Canada-artist-stub}} / Category:Canadian artist stubs

Television network stubs

{{Colorado-stub}} / Category:Colorado stubs

{{Disney-comics-stub}} / Category:Disney Comics stubs

{{RnB-album-stub}} / Category:R&B album stubs

{{BBC-radio-stub}} & {{BBC-TV-stub}}

{{Mexico-musician-stub}} / Category:Mexican musician stubs

{{India-writer-stub}} / Category:Indian writer stubs

{{Mumbai-stub}}

{{US-mil-hist-stub}} & Category:United States military history stubs with redirects {{US-military-hist-stub}} & {{US-Mil-hist-stub}}

{{SA-bio-stub}}

{{Palmsoftware-stub}} / Category:Palm OS Software stubs

{{Astrologer-stub}} / Category:Astrologer stubs

{{Tvseries-stub}} / Category:Television series stubs

{{Whedchar-stub}} / Category:Buffyverse Character stubs

{{Aquitaine-geo-stub}}

{{Ethical-stub}}

{{Film-genre-stub}} / Category:Film Genre stubs

{{Afl-bio-stub}} / Category:Australian rules football player stubs

{{Xenostub}}

{{Iowa-hwy-stub}} / Category:Iowa road stubs

US geo stubs

{{Florida-stub}} / Category:Florida stubs

{{Singapore-LRT-stub}} / Category:Singapore LRT stubs

{{India-website-stub}} / Category:India website stubs

US-school-stubs

{{Switzerland-footybio-stub}}, {{Romania-footybio-stub}}

{{Balears-stub}} / Category:Balearic Islands stubs

State geography stubs

{{Maratha-stub}} / Category:Maratha Empire stubs

{{Progressive-rock-album-stub}} / Category:Progressive rock album stubs

Newly discovered, January 2006

{{extinction-stub}} / Category:Extinction stubs

{{prison-stub}}

{{NorthAm-native-stub}} / Category:Indigenous peoples of North America stubs

{{Western Sahara stub}}/ Category:Western Sahara stubs

{{Anti-Pope-stub}} / Category:Anti-Pope stubs

{{Korea-film-stub}} / Category:Korean film stubs

{{Compu-prog-stub}} / Category:Computer programming stubs

{{Florida-media-stub}} / Category:Florida media stubs

{{Florida-sports-stub}} / Category:Florida sports stubs

{{Florida-bio-stub}} / Category:Florida people stubs

{{CNN-stub}} / Category:Cable News Network stubs

{{NovaScotia-stub}} / Category:Nova Scotia stubs

{{Christian-music-stub}} / Category:Christian music stubs

{{aerospace-museum-stub}} / Category:Aerospace museum stubs

{{NI-footybio-stub}} / Category:Northern Ireland football biography stubs

{{Alaska-stub}} / Category:Alaska stubs

{{Tanzania-stub}} / Category:Tanzania stubs

{{Corsica-geo-stub}} / Category:Corsica geography stubs

{{Aero-year-stub}} / Various categories

{{Exoplanet-stub}} / Category:Exoplanet stubs

{{UPN-stub}}

{{Univision-stub}} / Category:Univision stubs & {{Telemundo-stub}} / Category:Telemundo stubs

{{AFL-stub}}

{{Caribbean-bcast-stub}}

{{Limousin-geo-stub}} / Category:Limousin geography stubs

{{Christian-theology-stub}} / Category:Christian theology stubs

{{Christian-denomination-stub}} / Category:Christian denomination stubs

{{Christian-text-stub}} / Category:Christian text stubs

{{library-stub}} / Category:Library stubs

{{Analytical-chemistry-stub}} / Category:Analytical chemistry stubs

{{Metal-song-stub}} / Category:Metal song stubs

{{NZ-actor-stub}}

{{Gopher-stub}}

{{Korea-corp-stub}} / Category:Korean corporation stubs

{{Haute-Normandie-geo-stub}} / Category:Haute-Normandie geography stubs

{{Oregon-State-Highway-stub}} / Category:Oregon State Highway stubs

{{Thriller-film-stub}} / Category:Thriller film stubs

{{Macedonian-bio-stub}} / Category:Macedonian people stubs

{{Georgia-stub}}

{{England-stub}} / Category:England stubs