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reverts

Can we stop this senseless pattern of reverting others' edits? Reverting people who fix spelling errors, correct grammar and make other uncontroversial changes is no way to build good faith amongst editors. If you disagree with part of an edit, revert that part if you must, but don't revert the whole thing wholesale. –Joke 15:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When you revert, it is not considered good form to revert other users spelling corrections, link fixes, punctuation corrections and grammar and style corrections while pursuing your favorite hobby-horses. –Joke 03:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I wish we could but apparently people think they have the power to do anything they want to an article without consensus. It's quite simple:

A) If you don't think Tesla's cat has relevance in this aricle, you can

a) remove it b) change it or give it relevance

do not

c) change it along with other parts of the article that you don't agree with.

72.144.150.233 08:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please, stop changing edits. People who do that are

A) annoying.

If you don't like my part of my post, that's no reason to go and erase averything I've added. That's why I somtimes don't leave an edit summary.Dan

99% of the material in this article has already been reviewed by and accepted by the majority of editors on here. Now, we're getting massive changes and adding POV claims like "Tesla is also known for his ground breaking contribution to the radio, whose patented research in 1897 allowed Guglielmo Marconi to broadcast the first signal across the English Channel in 1899." While an editor is consistently removing sourced and relevant information in this article, such as a paragraph outlining the prototype of a loudspeaker invented by Tesla. 72.144.150.233 08:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is your responsibility when doing the reversions not to needlessly revert others' work. Frankly, I don't know anything about this Marconi sentence. Remove it if you find it offensive, and reinsert the loudspeaker. But as long as you keep doing these robotic reverts back to a version with spelling errors, poor grammar, mismatched parentheses, an overlong introduction and ambiguous links, I will continue to revert your changes. Why don't you try and compromise? –Joke 13:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marconi used Tesla's research without giving Tesla credit. This is widely known historical fact known to any biographer of the man. The only problems that appear in the anon user's edit is that they sound sycophantic. No one can believe that something is pov when lines like

"It is of some interest to note that Tesla was reportedly born at the very stroke of midnight during a lightning storm, according to various biographies" or "In the United States, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or in popular culture". and "he was widely respected as America's greatest electrical engineer." This sounds like something out of a fan club and does not constitute valid research. Finally, what is it with that pet cat? Guy Montag 06:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There, I have reinserted the stuff about the loudspeaker and removed the stuff about Marconi. I have almost surely annoyed someone else in doing so... –Joke 13:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Joke. Please make any edits you have to make on the original version, not on the one that was recently butchered and vandalized, including the removal of numerous sentences almost by random, plus the addition of weird sentences like "When Edison was a very old man and close to death, he said his biggest mistake was that he never respected Nikola Tesla or his work." and farfetched POVs like a change from "Tesla's theory is ignored by some researchers (and mainly disregarded by physicists)." to "disregarded by nearly all researchers" (which is untrue). For an example of random deletions:

the following was deleted by a user without posting any reason for why it was removed in talk:


Furtheremore, an entire paragraph was randomly removed from the intro, and several sentences were replaced by the nonsensical sentence "He was one of the pioneers of modern electrical engineering; however, due in large part to the unfavorable course of his competition and disputes with other inventors, such as Thomas Edison." 72.144.60.85 18:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You really ought to pay attention. I removed the weird Edison sentence already. I am finding it hard not to see your behavior as willful obstinance. It is certainly true that Tesla's theory of gravity plays no role in modern physics – who else other than physicists (and perhaps historians of science) would study a theory of gravity? Why don't you look at the diffs yourself and fix the part that was butchered and vandalized. –Joke 18:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Researchers and physicists are two different occupations last time I checked. Instead of reverting by random as you're doing, how about helping me improve the original? I can't fix the parts that were butchered and vandalized without reverting, because too much was randomly removed. I explain everything I do in here. No one else does. 72.144.60.85 18:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to improve the original. Here are some things that are wrong with the original. In the intro:

Actually you did nothing to the original. Last time I checked those changes were made before you came.
  • It is too long and hagiographic.
It's taken from several official biographies, and is no more hagiographic than some of the information of Newton, Einstein, and others. I did shorten it though, it was a bit long.
  • The "editor's note" is bad style.
That's true. That should be moved.
  • "mechanical and electrical engineer" can be shortened to engineer
Um no...there are computer, industrial, civil engineers too
  • He is recognized as one of the most accomplished inventors, not scientists.
No, he made fundamental contributions to physics theory (it states right in the intro) as well as numerous other fields.
Do some research.
  • He did not die forgotten. That is melodramatic and wrong.
The fact that nearly all official biographies state this is clear enough evidence he died pretty much forgotten.
  • The caption writes "Dr. Nikola Tesla." It is not conventional to use a title with the first name. Why not just "Nikola Tesla."
Fine change that.

Aside from those changes, some links in the table of electromechanical devices, paragraphs about Edison and Hinduism which could easily be removed, and some minor rephrasings and changes to links, there is essentially no difference between the two versions. Finally, as far as I can see, "physicists" are a superset of "researchers in theories of gravity".

It didn't state anything about "researchers in theories of gravity"...in fact, it said "researchers".

Also, you've violated the 3RR.

Ok.

–Joke 19:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've reported the 3RR. Hopefully those lazy 3RR admins will do something for once :-))). Joke - credit to you for trying to sort out this page. I hope you persist. While you do, I'll try to help William M. Connolley 22:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation

On par with a recent edit by Philosophus, I removed the line "It was possible that Tesla was told of the plans of the physics award committee and let it be known that he would not share the award with Edison." because it is seemingly an opinion placed in the middle of a biography. It could possibly be readded with a source stating "Some Biographers conclude......." Etc...

72.144.150.233 09:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is NOT an opinion placed in the middle of a biography. It is from various news stories of newspapers at the time. It is also recorded in most of the reliable biographies (Man out of time, Wizard, etc ...) which cite that he and Edison were told of this (and both were surprised when the prize was awarded to others). Removing the line is uncalled for and is another egregious act of removing information. 17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Compatibility with Nature line

I removed "Tesla considered his exploration of various questions raised by science as ultimately a means to improve the human condition with the principles of science and industrial progress, and one that was compatible with nature.[1]" because its a very unusual line. I put it here in talk so someone can fix it up and have it make more sense, and be more "compatible" (no pun intended) with the article. 72.144.150.233 09:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How is this "very unusual"? 204.56.7.1 (talk · contribs) 17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopædia Britannica

In thier article on Ferraris, Galileo ... "Meanwhile, other physicists came independently to the same principle — among them Nikola Tesla, who applied and patented it. In the assessment of Thomas Edison they state, "yet [Edison] employed as his aides, at various times, a number of eminent mathematical physicists, such as Nikola Tesla and A.E. Kennelly." They themselves (though not explicity stating him being a physicists in his own article) call him a "Serbian U.S. inventor and researcher". And note, at the end of his entry that "Due to lack of funds, many of his ideas remained only in his notebooks, which are still examined by engineers for inventive clues.".

This latest lil' series of "improvement" (and I use that term loosely) on the Wikipedia article of Tesla proves that Wikipedia suffers from opinions at the cost of facts.

(ps. Inparticular the actions of User:Joke, User:Hillman, and User:William M. Connolley)

134.193.168.250 (talk · contribs) 14:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Electrotherapy

Something should be added on Tesla currents (as defined in the 'IEEE dictionary') and Tesla's pioneering work in Electrotherapy. This article could be cited for a reference:

  • Rhees, David J., Electricity - `The greatest of all doctors': An introduction to `high frequency oscillators for electro-therapeutic and other purposes'. Proceedings of the IEEE. Vol. 87, no. 7, pp. 1277-1281. 1999 ISSN 0018-9219

(PS., This is his article on it: Tesla, Nikola, "High Frequency Oscillators for Electro-Therapeutic and Other Purposes". 1898-09-13. (ed., available from tesla.hu))

134.193.168.250 (talk · contribs) 14:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trolling?

I suspect the recent history of edits of this article may include some trolling, hence the new flag added to the headers at the top. I hope that all editors who feel genuine passion will employ restraint and discuss possibly controversial changes in this talk page before trying to unilaterally implement them. ---CH 23:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

None of it has been discussed. The majority of anon greivances on here have been generally ignored and as far as I've seen, the users who are editing this page are in cahoots with eachother. LaGrange 00:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Both 134.193.168.250 and User:177.140.153.233 have pointed out the unsound actions of WMC and Joke (I'm not as certain of your participation) in the editing of this page. LaGrange 00:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note that

  1. the IP 134.193.168.250 (talk · contribs) is an instance of the kc.umkc.edu anon, registered to the University of Missouri in Kansas City, MO. Compare the Linda Hall Library anon, also geolocated in Kansas City, MO.
  2. I can't find in the history page any edits from the IP 177.140.153.233 (talk · contribs). This IP is registered to ARIN itself. Did you perhaps write down the wrong IP while trying to check registration? I guess you might have meant 72.153.86.152 (talk · contribs) (the mia.bellsouth.net anon)

In any case, you should be on the lookout for possible shilling.---CH 03:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How ironical is your flag: ...Remember to always assume good faith. which you missed to assume yourself...Lakinekaki 05:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am trying to reduce arguing so let's not start arguing over my motivations, Lakinekaki. And LaGrange, I don't understand who you think is "in cahoots" with whom, but if you look at Talk:Chaos theory you will probably agree that it is unlikely that I am "in cahoots" with Lakinekaki.

All I am asking is that the edit war cease. Let's try this instead: if you don't like something in the article,

  1. describe your objection here in the talk page,
  2. present an argument why you think it should be changed,
  3. describe the change you want to see,
  4. react reasonably and fairly to comments on your proposals.

The talk page is here for this kind of discussion, and in my experience compromise is often possible. Fair enough? ---CH

Semi-protected

Note: this page is semi-protected at the moment, largely in response to anons breaking 3RR. I'm in favour of keeping it for a while; if anyone else has strong opinions that it should be lifted (or kept), please place them here where people can see. William M. Connolley 13:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's sad the that users Hillman, WMC, and Joke can destroy this page. WMC's, inparticular, ignorance and removal of the verifiable and cited facts (such as that Tesla's papers and writing are still being researched today; he's repeatedly questioned this [but has been cited by the standard EB professionals (see above)]). Hillman, WMC, and Joke have before tried to exclude cited and reliable information; this probably will not stop. WMC is in favour of keeping semi-protected for a while because then the opinionated editors (the ontes cited and others that can be contacted to do so on thier behave [such as IRC, etc.) can remove information that they deem "extraneous" or "bloat" and remove the more valid and cited information. As stated in other posts, Wikipedia suffers the ill informed opinion at the cost of verifable and reliable facts. The pathological skeptical actions of some of these editors is at Wikipedia's peril. User-multi error: "204.56.7.1" is not a valid project or language code (help). 16:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC) (registered to Linda Hall Library, Kansas City, MO)

Thanks for sharing. –Joke 16:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Our Linda Hall Library anon also edited History of perpetual motion machines very recently. ---CH 18:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Negotiations with British Government on Death Ray

I have doubts about the accuracy and timescales in this article refering to Tesla's negotiations with the British government. I also am doubtful about linking them only to Chamberlain. The article states negotiations began in the Twenties. Baldwin was prime minister 1923-24, 1924-29 and 1935-37 whilst Chamberlain was prime minister 1937-40 and he was replaced by Churchill, not Baldwin.

I suggest removing the line "The incoming Baldwin government..." and adding a line making it clear this is conjecture, not established fact.

There is established folklore in the UK about successive British governments interest in a "Death Ray", but I've been unable to find any hard facts. Arpley88 08:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is not conjecture! This is not folklore ... sessh ... it's a fact .... 204.56.7.1 (talk · contribs)
Nikola Tesla worked on an actual Death ray in the early 1900's and at the time of his death. He offered the US War Department the secrets of his "teleforce" weapon on January 5 1943 but was assumed to be crazy. Tesla then offered his device to several European countries. Records which recently turned up in Russia showed that his proposed death ray was based on a narrow stream of atomic clusters of liquid mercury or tungsten accelerated by high voltage, probably produced by a huge Tesla Coil. At the time of his death, a prototype compact version of the "death ray" called an "Anti-Tank gun" was located in a trunk in the basement of his hotel. Immediatly after his death a Russian spy had raided the room and the safe containing the schematics of the "death ray". The FBI never found any of the important parts of the schematics nor the trunk with the prototype, as far as we know. Schematics of the projector nozzel have surfaced, though. 204.56.7.1 19:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC) (taken out of the Death ray history, now a redirect)[reply]
PBS has a good page on this. "A Weapon to End War". :204.56.7.1 (talk · contribs)
Other time-period news articles that might help you.
204.56.7.1 (talk · contribs) 20:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bear in mind that large parts of this article may be dodgy, especially the wacky death-ray stuff. If you think you know better, please edit away. William M. Connolley 11:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bear in mind that you have an uninformed opinion. 204.56.7.1 (talk · contribs) 20:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please be polite, Linda Hall Library anon (see WP:CIV). Also, please see the header for instructions on how to wikisign your comments. TIA ---CH 03:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be polite when the editors stop being a prick (in the side) [this was suggested before, but removed by your friend, WMC]. WP:CIV states exactly what you (among others) are doing, personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater conflict and stress. A editor can wikisign thier comments with ~~~~ or ~~~ (the note @ top is a guideline). 204.56.7.1 14:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Superconductivity references

Pulled out of the archives (as posted by user:reddi), just so more ramblings and POV edits can be headed off.

  • The patent office classifies U.S. Patent 685012 as superconductivity technolgy via several classifications
  • Thomas Valone (ed.) book contains the information on the superconductivity in one of the essays. The essay "Effects of Tesla's Life and Electrical Inventions" specifically notes this.
  • Oliver Nichelson talks of Tesla's invention in this context.
  • In "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy - Through Use of the Sun's Energy," (The Century Illustrated Magazine), Tesla cites Carl von Linde (inventor of a method for liquefying air via "self-cooling"). As Tesla states, "This was the only experimental proof which I was still wanting that energy was obtainable from the medium in the manner contemplated by me ." In 1892, Tesla went to London and saw Professor Dewar's experiments with liquefied gases. Tesla noted that others had liquefied gases before, notably Ozlewski and Pictet. Later, Tesla was working on a project, together with other pojects, which would give a refrigerating machine of exceptional efficiency and simplicity. This is the time of the 1895 Houston Street lab fire which delayed his endeavors. Shortly afterward, "Linde announced the liquefaction of air by a self cooling process, demonstrating that it was practicable to proceed with the cooling until liquefaction of the air took place". Tesla sought to simplify Linde's accomplisment, also. Tesla's endeavors in his own projects (with this as one part) would lead to (according to him) a "self-acting machine deriving energy from the ambient medium".
  • In addition to the above reference, Seifer ("Wizard, the Life and Times of Nikola Tesla". ISBN 1-559723-29-7 (HC)) in the footnote states that (though doubtful) it is probable that Tesla contemplated superconductivity for his world wireless system (this a decade before Onnes experiment). 204.56.7.1 (talk · contribs) 15:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Linda Hall Library anon in Kansas City, MO; compare Reddi (talk · contribs)
I have some concerns regarding shilling; see WP:SOCK. ---CH 15:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no shilling, fraudulent or damaging. Have all the concerns you want, but there are WP:SOCK#Legitimate uses of multiple accounts (Keeping heated issues in one small area). User:reddi may or may not edit at the library here.204.56.7.1 17:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tesla's car

I've read some stuff about Tesla's car, which he apparantly demonstrated to his nephew Peter Savo in 1931. The car had an electric motor, but it seemed to get its power from some unknown but universally present source (dark energy, cosmic radiation, gravity). I'm no expert in the field so perhaps I'm talking complete nonsense here, but if it did indeed exist it would've been a fantastic yet forgotten invention. A "free energy" book you can order online claims to contain the instructions on how to build one yourself, but I doubt that as if that were the case we'd all be driving one now and free energy claims always tend to be overrated. Googling for Tesla's car brings up some information, but with little details and not always from the most reliable of websites. Does anyone know more about this and would it perhaps add to the article, or be worth an article of its own? BabyNuke 11:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seifer ("Wizard, the Life and Times of Nikola Tesla". ISBN 1-559723-29-7 (HC), ISBN 0-806519-60-6 (SC)) talks about this, IIRC. Not sure if Valone's "Harnessing the Wheelwork of Nature" has anything. I'll look around. 204.56.7.1 17:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

I have tried my utter best to portray this issue in NPOV. I have clearly stated that the topic of his natinality is disputed between Croatians and Serbs (which it is), and have taken absolutely no sides. Yes, I'm Croatian, and as much as I would like to post that Nikola Tesla was Croatian (and all Croatian children are thought this in school, even myself all those years ago), I conform to the NPOV rule just like everyone else should.

So please, don't revert this without just cause, which I doubt you could find.

xompanthy 15:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you put it as a references note? or fotenote? It just seems a bit jarring there in the intro. 204.56.7.1 17:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Well I added it right after the claim that he was a Serbian-American inventor. I actually changed it to "American inventor,..., of Serbian and Croatian origin" (which seems a lot more NPOV), but it seems that User:Krytan felt that needed to be reverted. In the hope that we can make this viewpoint a bit more NPOV and avoid a revert war, I left it at that.

I think it should stay in that position since it is a very controversial topic, still argued over even today amogst Croatains and Serbs. And since Wikipedia is NOT a place where one states his own beliefs but FACTS, it should remain there.

And if some pro-Serbian or pro-Croatian user decides that the article should reflect what they BELIEVE is correct, they can go somewhere else.

-- xompanthy 21:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What to do, what to do? This has got to be one of the silliest edit wars I have seen here to date. I suppose it would be very naive of me to suggest that we call Tesla an American of Balkan heritage and leave it at that?---CH 11:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it would. And what you find silly others might not. -- xompanthy 14:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, since someone removed that section yet again, I find myself not caring. Keep it POV if it means that much to some people. -- xompanthy 20:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I beleive Tesla's own words are the best guideline - he stated "I'm proud of my Serbian heritage and of my Croatian homeland..." . I could argue on both sides for many reason, but the truth is that he was of Serbian nationality, and of Cratian domicile (altough it was as many state a part of Austro-Hungarian Empire, Lika was integral part of Croatia, who shared the rights to Hungarian crown...and the ages of Tesla's youth are the ages in which the Croatian and pan-slavic (unity of all Slavic nations) ideas were the strongest... they resulted with State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs , and later on with Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes...-- Vladimirko 22:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why I removed reference! - Let's take aside that the article, from (othervise resputable source) was full of incorrections, disputable and biased... Article in question is not relevant reference for establishing anyone's nationality, not even Tesla's, which is mentioned in article. Relevant source and/or reference would be any (preferably legal) record, or paper issued (or recorded) for or by Tesla, stating his nationality. It might be birth record, family record (as kept in parishes at that time), census data, school record, (all of the above mentioned is most probably available in States's Archive of Croatia in Zagreb), then, it might be any imigration data in U.S. (check up the Ellis Island records), or it might be taken anywhere in Tesla's correspondency (available in Museums in Smiljan or Belgrade). Newspaper article, no matter how god or bad it is, cannot be reference source for establishing such fact! Just not to leave article in mention out, here it is:

-- Vladimirko 08:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

People! Some of you confounding the issue with bad terminology. What you call "nationality" is in fact called ethnicity in English. Tesla's ethnicity is, as far as I know, not disputed by anyone: Tesla was a Serb. Still, Tesla is put into e.g. Category:Serbian physicists, despite clear Wikipedia guidelines (Wikipedia:Categorization_of_people#By_nationality_and_occupation) that people be categorized by nationality, not ethnicity, except in explicity named categories such as e.g. Category:Serbian people by ethnic or national origin (which, interestingly enough, doesn't exist as of this writing). His nationality was not Serbian: his parents never lived in Serbia, nor did he. GregorB 19:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


"Eccentric Serbian-American engineer who made many contributions to the invention of electromagnetic devices. Tesla was Serb who was born in the Croatian village of Smiljan in the Lika region, which at the time was part of Austrian monarchy. His father was an orthodox church priest." Wolfsram Research --Lowg 01:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm suprised Croatia is claiming Tesla as his own, seeing as how as soon as Krajina was occupied by the Croatian army, Tesla's statue was destroyed. An interesting way to show respect. In any case, I find the dispute hilarious. His father was a Serb Orthodox priest, and he was christened in the Serbian Orthodox rite... All of his indirect descendants (for Tesla had no children) were Serbian, not Croatian. This is easy enough to find. I can't see a single argument that he is Croatian, other than the fact that the Austro-Hungarian region he was born in was later to become Croatia. I find this irrelevant, and it says nothing about his nationality.

What nation included his birthplace of Smiljan when he was born, and when he came to the US? What nation is his hometown part of now? These questions of fact have some bearing on what words should be used here. I found in Tesla's US "hometown paper," the New York Times, the following: The first mention of his nationality I found was 7/19/1891 , p4, where he was called "Austro-Hungarian." March 4, 1895, it said he came here from "Servia," which was the spelling the NY Times used for Serbia in that era. March 31, 1895, p13 “He is hardly the representative of any European nationality; perhaps he might be better spoken of as a flower of a mountaineering clan. Just as the Highlanders in Scotland have beaten back the tide of invasion, so his people in the highlands of the Adriatic, have fought, cursed, and slaughtered Turks ever since the turban invaded Europe. His people are a rural people, and willing to be peaceful, but ever ready to turn their sheperds’ crooks into spears amd their scythes into bloody blades. They have been planted from time immemorial in the Adriatic mountains, but it was, perhaps, a happy chance that took thither in the turbulent First Napolean days an officer of the victorious French legions, who intermarried and thus gave to the aboriginal stock the blood of which Tesla is the latest and best product.” July 16, 1895 p 10 said he was “a Montenegran.” Sept 29, 1895 p 22, he was described as a "Servian." July 10, 1934, p19 said he was born "in Smiljan, in Austrian Croatia (now part of Yugoslavia. He is the son of a Greek father, a clergyman, and a Serbian mother, Georgiana Mandic, an inventor, and the daughter of an inventor." {single parenthesis in original}. His obituary, Jan. 8, 1943, p 19 said " Nikola Tesla was born at Smiljan, Lika, a border country of Austria-Hungary, on July 10, 1856. His father was a Greek clergyman and orator, and his mother, Georgina Mandic, was an inventor." Jan, 9, 1943, p13 says " Yugoslavia, where Tesla was born of Serbian parents, will be officially represented by..." May 8, 1949, p27, says "..Nikola Tesla, American inventor who was born in Croatia of Serbian parentage.." June 26, 1956 p43 says ""A native of Croatia, Mr Tesla came to the United States in 1884." Jan 24, 1960, px19, calls him "..Croatian born.. " On Feb 9, 1967, p78, calls Tesla "Yugoslavian born" and note that he spoke Croatian with the hotel Maitre d. April 14, 1974, p 12 calls him "Serbian born." Sep 7, 1980, pE20 calls him him “the Serbian inventor.” July 6, 1982, pc3, refers to “ the grandiose claims made in his behalf, particularly by some Tesla admirers who share his Croatian origins.” Sep 18, 1983, pH33,says he was “born in a town in Croatia in what was then Austria-Hungary and is now Yugoslavia." Feb 23, 1997, pLI25 says he was "Born in 1856 to a well-placed Serbian family..” April 19, 1999, pE5, calls him "a Croatian born Serb.” So could we say "Tesla was born of Serbian parents in Smiljan, Lika, Croatia, then a part of the military frontier of the Austro-Hungarian empire, and now part of Croatia.” This mirrors the words used in the article on Smiljan. I don’t know how we explain the “Greek clergyman father” being Serbian unless he was perhaps a Serbian who was also an Orthodox priest.Edison 22:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, how many words... :-) So, here it is, when settling in US, people coming from this part of the world were more confused than anybody reading text above! I found immigration data on ellisisland.org for my greatgrandfather, his sister, her housband and several other family members that came on the same ship, same date from two neighbouring houses. Almost each and every one of them (according to immigration data) came from other country, territory and city, half of them even had their names missspled! According to data they were from Slovenia?, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Ottoman empire?! and some other territories for which I haven't the slightest idea how they came in this records! Reason(s): Ignorant American officials! and people that came from "region that was not more then century ago part of Illiryc provincies occupied by Napoleon, part of Kingdom of Croatia and Slavonia that acording to treaties from 11th century was in personal union with Hungary, and with Hungary together under Habsburgs (Austrian rouling family), so part of the Austrian empire as well, as they lived close to border of Bosnia, territories was under direct governing from Vienna, which was anachronism at that time, but as they had some tax privileges, they were obliged to serve army wherever "crown" needed them!... To CTC, Tesla lived not far from them. Few decades later, Austrian empire collapsed, and most of people declared themselves according to newly grown ideas, as Illyrs, or south Slavs, (Yougoslavian academy of sciencies was founded in Croatia before Yougoslavia named itself as such)or by ethnicity or regionally (and btw, according to international laws Croatia claims it's statehood from 10-th century)... So when Yougoslavia was founded, most of immigrants accepted it as their homeland, accepting their differences too! Not many years later, Serbian king and governmant on head of South Slav country, founded on bases of equality, started redirecting tax money to Serbia, and with time the hell broke loose! But that's another story! So, when (according to his nephew) a politician greeted Tesla on his 80-th birthday as "son of Serbian origin born in Croatia", TESLA replied "As I'm proud of my Serbian roots and Croatian homeland, as you Yougoslav politicians act I'll have no homeland to return to, your haterid is so great, that if it would be possible to turn it into electricity, it would light up the world" (It was just some time after one of the gretest politician of the time(from peasant's party) was assasinated in parliament in Belgrade)... I'm totally in favour of total removal of ANY ethnical, national or geographical(Serbian, Croatian, American) reference from introduction line! Tesla was GREAT MAN and he probably turns in his grave on such disputes! I worked for to many hours today so please fogive me on any typo's I made, you might correct them if they boughter you, and...You've got the point-- Vladimirko 00:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FTL claims

Can someone note that some "Tesla Coils" transmissions were "many" times the speed of light and that this is related to cherenkov radiation (and Bremsstrahlung which Tesla used in his X-ray experiments). Thank you. 204.56.7.1 17:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(PS., most modern text on this subject cites cherenkov radiation as what Tesla was referring to when he talks about FTL transmissions)

Are you saying that when Tesla mentioned FTL transmission he was referring to Cherenkov radiation? Can you give an example of a modern textbook (on physics?) which says this? ---CH 11:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When Tesla mentioned FTL transmission, was he was referring to Cherenkov radiation? Yes. Is there modern textbook on physics that state this? No (not that I know of), modern biographies on Tesla DO state this though.

Is there an example of a modern biography? Valone, Thomas, "Harnessing the Wheelwork of Nature". ISBN 1-931882-04-5 (pg. 122-123). Valone's books states, "Tesla had found that at electrical resonance with the earth, electromagnetic waves had become supraluminal [...]. In the supraluminal sense, they moved faster than the speed of light". Then Valone footnotes (bottom pg. 123), "[...]speed of EM phase velocity is v=1/sq rt (LC) which can be faster than light speed in a vacuum." Valone refers the reader to an article, Harold Willis Milnes, "Faster than light?", Radio-Electronics, Vol. 54,, Janurary 1983, for more information.

Are there other references indirectly to this? Yes. Seifer, ["Wizard, the Life and Times of Nikola Tesla". ISBN 1-559723-29-7 (HC), ISBN 0-806519-60-6 (SC)] has a whole chapter called "faster than the speed of light (1927 - 40)". Seifer states "Verification for Tesla that there existed particles that travelled faster than the speed of light were purportedly discovered in the late 1890s whn he invented a device to capture radiant energy. The machine [...] comprised, in essence an insulative plate [...] made out of the 'best quality of mica as a dielectric'" (pg., 423). IF you look at Cherenkov radiation, it is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle passes through an insulator at a speed greater than the speed of light in the medium. Matter can be accelerated beyond this speed. Cherenkov radiation results when a charged particle exceeds the speed of light in a dielectric (electrically insulating) medium through which it passes. The Bremsstrahlung phenomenon was discovered by Nikola Tesla during high frequency and X-ray research he conducted, several years earlier than the FTL claims.

USPatent 18:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC) (PS., this is in addition to the much older (and more outdated) claims of superluminal communication and, tachyons IIRC, of Cheney ("Tesla: Man Out of Time", ISBN 0-13-906859-7 ))[reply]

Do note that the c limit is a the speed of light in a vacuum only. In the dirac sea of reality, there is not a perfect vacuum. And, as was Tesla's belief, there is a medium throughout space (at the minimum, space itself).

You can also read:

  • A-Ahamid Aidinejad and James F. Corum, "The Transient Propagation of ELF Pulses in the Earth-Ionosphere Cavity"
  • James F. Corum and Kenneth L. Corum, "Disclosures Concerning the Operation of an ELF Oscillator"
  • James F. Corum and Kenneth L. Corum, "A Physical Interpretation of the Colorado Springs Data"
  • James F. Corum and Kenneth L. Corum, "Critical Speculations Concerning Tesla's Invention and Applications of Single Electrode X-Ray Directed Discharges for Power Processing, Terrestrial Resonances and Particle Beam Weapons"

USPatent 19:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nobel claims

I NPOVed the Nobel Prize claims a month or two ago, but now they are back in their highly fan-like form. I have tried to fix them, but there seems to be some resistance. Could others look into making this have a NPOV? --Philosophus T 00:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read:

  • Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", ISBN 0-13-906859-7
  • Seifer, Marc J., "Wizard, the Life and Times of Nikola Tesla". ISBN 1-559723-29-7 (HC), ISBN 0-806519-60-6 (SC)
  • O'Neill, John H., "Prodigal Genius". ISBN 0-914732-33-1

These should contain the references that you need. This page also give a tast of the news reports about it. Edison and Tesla Win Nobel Prize in Physics. Literary Digest, December 18, 1915.

There isn't anything "fan-like" about this. It's statements of fact. 204.56.7.1 19:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please read: Nobel Prize controversies. The text there was incorporated here. 204.56.7.1 19:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another site: Controversy about This Year's Nobel Prize in Medicine teslasociety.com 204.56.7.1 20:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another verifiable site for the initial incorrect report is the New York Times, Nov 6, 1915, p1: "Edison and Tesla to get Nobel Prizes" which based their statement on the Copenhagen correspondent of the Daily Telegraph. Also see Nov 7, 1915, p12, "Tesla's discovery Nobel prize winner". The article said "Nikola Tesla, who, with Thomas Edison is to share the Nobel Prize in physics, according to a dispatch from London, said last night he had not yet been officially notified of the honor. His only information on the matter was the dispatch in the New York Times." Tesla thought the honor was for the transmission of energy without wires. He said he thought Edison was worthy of a dozen Nobel Prizes. He had often expressed his friendship with and admiration for Edison, and gave no hint he would refuse the honor if Edison was also getting it. The reported antipathy toward Edison only showed up when he was elderly. Finally Dec 28, 1915, p83 the NY Times reported that the initial report was incorrect. It had also given an incorrect report for the person to receive the chemistry award, further disproving the claim that Tesal refused the prize because Edison was also getting one. Also disproof of any great antipathy between them causing them to refuse the 1915 Nobel Prize is that in 1916 Tesla accepted the Edison Medal'For meritorious achievement in his early original work in polyphase and high-frequency electrical currents.' This often repeated claim that Tesla refused a Nobel prize needs something like a rejection letter from the Nobel files, or a memoir by someone involved with the Nobel award, or papers from Tesla's files. In other words, something more than someone writing a book or creating a webpage and stating it is so without a good source. Edison 23:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dynamic theory of gravity

There needs serious help in outlining the Dynamic theory of gravity. Both CH and William M. Connolley seem to be pushing a anti-tesla POV (as seen from above and in that article).

CH (User:Hillman) edits of POV - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dynamic_theory_of_gravity&diff=40547941&oldid=39938292

CH actions:

WMC's actions, among other things:

  • Removed "which some feel anticipates Ernest Rutherford's nuclear model of the atom. Tesla further claimed that there exist carriers transmitting "tensions or electrostatic strains". Some claim to see these statements as an anticipation of later work on elementary particles."
  • Thinks he is Wolfgang Pauli by putting in "Today it could only be described as not even wrong"

References to improve that article:

134.193.168.227 23:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Born in Croatia

I don't see why it simply doesnt state he was born in Croatia, instead of Austrian Empire...it doesn't make sense. If we follow this pattern then half of famous Americans were born in British Empire, Czechs and Slovaks in Czechoslovakia and so on...

Tesla was not born in Croatia, because it didn't exist then. The part of the Austrian Empire that is now called Croatia was then called Vojna Krajina, so it would be more accurate to write that as well instead of just Austrian Empire. And you can't be born in a country that doesn't exist at the time of your birth, can you? I'm sure his birth certificate didn't show that he was born in Croatia, but rather Austria. --serbiana - talk 06:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't done your reading in full. Vojna Krajina, was the part of Croatia that had privileges and additional fundings from court as an defence zone from Ottoman Empire! ...and Croatia was constitutional part of Austro-Hungarian Empire!Vladimirko 17:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But the common standard is to use the present country for geographical reasons. Why do you think for George Washington it doesnt state he was born in Britain, as the United States didn't exist then. If we follow your logic, then all Serbs born in medieval time were born in Turkish empire, because Serbia didn't exist then.

Well they were born in the Ottoman Empire genius, because Serbia didn't exist. Of course Washington wasn't born in the US, it would be idiotic to agree with you and say that he had been. He was born in a British colony... --estavisti 22:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow!

I got to know a bit about this guy only because I happened to live for several years around the corner from the site of his old lab in Shoreham, NY. When I first saw the place in 1974, White's gorgeous architecture was still visible. Before long, it was hidden behind a hideous corrugated metal facade and a shiny barbed-wire and chain-link fence, and most of the beautiful old trees were replaced by a parking lot. A few local residents had become fascinated with Tesla, and as you probably know if you're reading this, that can quickly slide into all-consuming obsession. My own interest in Tesla was only intermittently obsessive. I think everyone involved in the creation and evolution of this article deserves congratulations - it's amazing you all have managed to make this much sense out of such a mind-boggling subject!

One bit of interesting trivia: The Shoreham-Wading River library contained a book called Wasn't The Future Wonderful? - a collection of articles, reproducing the original pages, from futuristic pop-science pulp magazines mainly from the 1930s. I came across it around 1979, when it was just beginning to look as if the Shoreham Nuclear Power Station project might never reach completion. One of the articles was an interview with Tesla, dating from the early 1940s, in which he expressed the view that nuclear energy would never be harnessed. In fact, he may have believed there was no such thing! Perhaps it was his ghost that jinxed the Shoreham plant, whose history seemed to prove his point.

possible plagarism

I'm not certain if this is being or already has been addressed, but I've noticed that several portions of the this article are word-for-word matches with the Tesla page at supernaturalminds.com/NikolaTesla.html . Just wanted to make people aware of this.

Based on the age of the site, it looks like the copy/pasting happened the other way around, that site took info from this one. That is OK, but he should really be displaying the GFDL licence info... Phidauex 18:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

invented the 20th century

Ok, I am not a Tesla expert but the quote "Many contemporary admirers of Tesla have deemed him the man who invented the twentieth century." seems a little over the top. It would sound better if it was a specific person for example "Lisa Simpson nobel laureate has said Tesla invented the twentieth century." There seems to be a bunch of strong feelings about this article so I didn't want to change anything out of hand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.231.43.78 (talk • contribs)

Lomas titled a Lecture to South Western Branch of Instititute of Physics, "The Man who Invented the Twentieth Century". 134.193.168.252

Any romantic relationships?

Noone ever mentioned any single relationship of Tesla with a woman, at least when he was young. All I know of this subject is an anegdote saying: "Once on a party a woman, a great admiror of Tesla's work, approached him and asked if she could meet him and he said: "I'm sorry, my wife electra would be very jelaous of that." Or it went something like that. Who knows what he and Mark Twain were doing in his lab during late night? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aljosa (talk • contribs)

Tesla was a sought out by the ladies of high society. He did have very close relations with some women (the wife of one of his friend may have been a non-physical love). He though turned many young girl away, following the life of invention and the research of electricity (which he believed that he could not do to the fullest in the married life). He was not homosexual though, as you imply. Cheney, a biographer of his, in the documentry on his life insuinated that he may have impaired his manhood though (after a hot french actress kept bugging him). That is speculation though. 134.193.168.252

I didn't mean to imply that he was homosexual, it was more a joke. Wikipedians are often pretty stiff :) I think that wikipedia article on Tesla is pretty good and is trying to cover all aspects of his life but it can't really be complete without covering romantic aspect of his life/personality. So that's why I started this section - to find out more about this rather important part of life and to put at least one sentence about that in the article. Tesla was obviously in control of all biological needs of his body (e.g. strictly calculated diet).

Protected

Please find a compromize solution on the talk page and then let me know when you are ready for the page to be unprotected abakharev 06:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AD 9289:

"Mommy, what are Croatians and Serbians?"
"GalNet says that they were a couple of primitive tribes of Terra homo sapiens on Old Earth. Like most others at that time, the people of those tribes were conditioned from birth to believe that their 'country' (whatever that was) was important. Remember, we're going for your GalNet implant tomorrow; you can think about all of this stuff youself, much faster than I can tell you about it."

There sure are a lot of people nitpicking about things that most would consider, well, unimportant.

You folks aren't, er, prejudiced, are you? I thought most people had gotten past that by now.

I don't see any mention of what his skin color is, why should anyone care about his nationality?

--Scott McNay 06:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scott, do you care if someone cals you an Afghan, rather than American? Imagine that in 50 years, you are remembered as an Afghan. I mean, I'll just start calling you Afghan right now, according to you, it wouldn't matter. --KOCOBO 20:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Compromises

How about Ethnically Serb, Croatian-born, American engineer, or In Serbia he is considered Serb, in Croatia Croat and in the USA - American, or just remove all the ethnic labels from the lead all together. Both place of birth and the religion are seen in the first paragraph of bio. abakharev 06:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On June 1st 1892, Tesla arrived in Belgrade due to a call for assistance from the Belgrade municipality. Several thousand people were there to greet him at the Belgrade train station. He addressed the gathered crowd, who saluted him:
"There is something within me that might be illusion as it is often case with young delighted people, but if I would be fortunate to achieve some of my ideals, it would be on the behalf of the whole of humanity. If those hopes would become fulfilled, the most exiting thought would be that it is a deed of a Serb. Long live Serbdom!..." Tesla further said to the students of Belgrade University: "As you can see and hear, I have remained a Serb overseas where I have done some researches. You should do so and by your knowledge and hard work you should glorify Serbdom over the world." [1]
I don't think it matters if Serbia considers him a Serb or what not, when Tesla himself clearly stated what he is and always will be. By the way, Croats don't consider him a Croat, simply because there is nothing that shows he was a Croat, considering his father was a Serbian Orthodox Priest, and his mother from a famous Serb family. But don't believe me, read what the Croats did to Tesla's house and statue during the war against Serbs.
Alex, from your suggestions, I am not sure how much you know about Tesla, or even the claims some people are making here. The only solution is to put Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-American inventor,... And I reluctantly agree to the "American" part, but he did achieve his life's work in the States. Hiding the truth is not NPOV, everyone have that in mind. I think you've seen now that Tesla was a Serb, regardless of what any government or people of any country think. So, MAYBE we should write what Tesla actually said about himself. --KOCOBO 20:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So far I have only heard the arguments to name him Serbian-American (in fact Brittanica did exactly this), any arguments for the Croatian part? Any reputable source naming him Croatian? abakharev 23:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since nobody argued for Tesla's Croatian heritage, I assume we have a consensus here. I will unprotect the article and revert to a "Serbian" version. Reversions back can be seen as violations of the WP:CON policy, so you better discuss them first of the talk page. abakharev 07:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tesla may have been an ethnic Serb but he had nothing to do with Serbia(I think he was once or twice in Serbia in total) thus cannot be Serbian scientist. The man was born in Croatia and consiered Croatia to be his homeland which he expressed on more than one occasion. The correct formation would be 'Croatian-American scientist of Serbian origin'. However the most liberal and fair would be to remove any mention of this at the begining of the article since the rest explains it. Also making his location of birth 'Austrian Empire(now Croatia)' is in direct collision with what the article says 'born in Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia, then part of Austrian Empire'. Afrika Paprika 11:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Afrika paprika, aside from your rude reverting when the majority has clearly decided how the article should be formulated, you provide no evidence or concrete references for your claims. Why should I believe you? Why should anyone believe you, when your contributions clearly show that you are pushing Croatian POV. You keep removing well-referenced sources from other Serb-related articles like Dado Pršo (look how he keeps reverting the "ethnic Serb" part of the text), and the list goes on. This is a place where serious people come to discuss serious issues, and there is no place for nationalism here. We have all provided well-referenced sources, so please stop bothering us with your "theories" which everyone is quite sick of. Your actions are considered trolling, and to some aspects, vandalism. Thank you, --KOCOBO 21:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The majority has not decided. Two people having the same opinion on the subject cannot be and is not a consensus. Thus I shall keep revereting it as long as it needs to get in your little fascist head. As for Dado Prso the man considers himself to be a Croat and has publicly stated it more than once. User:Afrika Paprika 01:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, oh, since when do you care what the actual person in the article declared about himself? No, evidence, no proof of your claims, this is the policy of Wikipedia. --KOCOBO 00:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I do care actually as all my changes can be confirmed. Unlike you who are pushing for a nationalistic propaganda. --User:Afrika Paprika 16:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tone it down please: POV tag added

This article needs some serious toning down, so I have added a POV tag. Compare the bombastic introduction with the relatively modest phrasing in the Albert Einstein article. Personally after reading such an introduction, I am reluctant to take the rest of the article seriously. However the parts I looked at seemed to be good, and that introduction is doing the subject a disservice. Chicheley 00:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, his ethnicity is quite clear to everyone, and I have cited my sources. Only one user claims that this is not true, even though he has not shown a single piece of evidence. This is not reason enough to put a POV tag, and I have removed it. Instead, I would advise Afrika Paprika from being the only one that claims that Tesla was not a Serb. --KOCOBO 00:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody disputes him being a Serb, but it seams to me that you insist on not allowing appearance of any mentioning of Croatia in his introduction. I'm prepared to add his ethicity myself every time I see it removed, IF ALL the data about his birth are present. If not, to cut down disputes it's better to remove such references completely! I'm glad that you don't insist anymore on that obviously nationalistic propaganda article as refference in introduction... I consider it as a great progress, and there still might be some hope for this article!-- Vladimirko 01:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, you people are just funny :) Croatians and serbians are together trying to get to a consensus on a topic like Tesla's nationality. That's soo not gonna happen. You don't see that you're not just subjective on the matter but prejudiced (pristrani). Therefore I recommend that all ex-Yugoslavians shouldn't be let to decide the "truth" on the matter. We need a body that would check ONLY the facts, with no prejudicies and hotheads included. Something like a Hague Tribunal on Wikipedia. I know it's somewhat against the Wikipedia rules, but Wikipedia doesn't know croatians and serbians :)

Tesla was Serbian, he is sometimes referred to as Serbian-American

And here are the references to prove that:

  • The Serbian-American inventor, electrical engineer, and scientist [2]
  • His father Milutin, and his mother Djuka, were both Serbian by origin [3]
  • On June 1st 1892, Tesla arrived in Belgrade due to a call for assistance from the Belgrade municipality. Several thousand people were there to greet him at the Belgrade train station. He addressed the gathered crowd, who saluted him: "There is something within me that might be illusion as it is often case with young delighted people, but if I would be fortunate to achieve some of my ideals, it would be on the behalf of the whole of humanity. If those hopes would become fulfilled, the most exiting thought would be that it is a deed of a Serb. Long live Serbdom!..." Tesla further said to the students of Belgrade University: "As you can see and hear, I have remained a Serb overseas where I have done some researches. You should do so and by your knowledge and hard work you should glorify Serbdom over the world." [4]
  • Serbian/American Inventor [5]
  • Serbian-born inventor Nikola Tesla [6]
  • Nikola Tesla, Serbian-American inventor [7]
  • US (Serbian-born) electrical inventor [8]
  • He was of Serb descent and worked mostly in the United States [9]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-American scientist [10]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-American inventor, electrical engineer, and scientist [11]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian inventor and scientist [12]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-American inventor and engineer and a master of electricity [13]
  • Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) was a Serbian-American inventor [14]
  • A Serbian-American physicist and electrical engineer [15]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian by birth [16]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian born inventor [17]
  • The Serbian-American inventor, electrical engineer, and scientist [18]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-born American scientist and his archive was brought to Belgrade after his death in New York in 1943. [19]
  • Nikola Tesla, was a Serbian electrical engineer [20]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian inventor [21]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-American inventor/electrical engineer [22]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-American scientist, electrical engineer, and inventor [23]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serbian-American inventor, electrical engineer, and scientist [24]
  • ...this great Serb American. [25]
  • Dr. Nikola Tesla, was a Serb [26]
  • Nikola Tesla was a Serb [27]

I'd like to add that every website mentions this at the very beginning. I'd also like to add that searching "Nikola Tesla was a Croat" returned 2 results (both of them blogs), while "Nikola Tesla was a Croatian" returned an amazing 4 results, and all of those websites confirm that Tesla was Serbian, but born in what is today considered Croatia. Almost all of the websites also cite that he was born in Austria-Hungary, while a mere some mention that the city he was born in is in todays Croatia, which definately doesn't make him Croatian. So, don't believe me, look at the tons of references I just gave you in the above list. Thank you :) --KOCOBO 01:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. there is no doubt that Tesla was born in Austria-Hungary, and his birth certificate proves it. Imagine that New Haven, Connecticut, USA (place where Bush was born) becomes Canada in 40 years. Was George W. Bush born in Canada? --KOCOBO 01:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Article aboutNikola Tesla is not propaganda article, and try to keep it so! As it may not seam at first glance, but Serbian propaganda machinery is pretty well developed in the world. I.e.

1. You may find claims that Dubrovnik was in Serbia, although it NEVER WAS, but you'll hardly find the fact that what's now suburbs of Belgrade WAS a part of Croatia few times in history... 2. Vojvodina less then 30 years ago had Hungarian and Croatian majority, and although ethnical clensing was never proclaimed it occured, as also in Republika Srpska territories in Bosnia and Herzegovina, where less then 10% of croats and muslims returned to thier homes! 3. And just BTW, Miloš Obilić, supposedly Serbian hero on Kosovo, came from catholic family, and Croat village of Kobilići (that existed long before the Serbs fled through from Turks) from central Bosnia, and is ancestor of som Croat Milošević families near Sarajevo and Kiseljak! I knew a person who was direct descendent of him, who claimed it in Belgrade's center in SANU ... those facts Great Serbian propagandist will never admit, and there is just too much of them! 4. Croatia after death of King Petar (Svačić) joined in personal union with Hungary, afterwards, Croat and Hungarian nobility offered joined crown to Habsburgs. Through all that time Croatia newer lost it's statehood, although their rights were diminished after killings os several members of Croatian nobility and Austro-Hungarian treaty afterwards... Through most of that time Serbia was a municipality within "Ottoman empire"... So, Croatia existed at that time as Kingdom of Croatia and Slavonia in union with Kingdom of Dalmatia under supreme governmant of Habsburgs. It was recognised even by Hungarians during Austro-Hungarian Empire (just look at their coat of arms from that time or lookup on their parliament building in Budapest)... So, If you're born i.e. in Novi Sad, and the state on birth certificate is Yougoslavia, does it mean that you were not born in Serbia, does that mean that you were not born in Vojvodina? Or, if you were born in Priština, is it Kosovo, Serbia, was it in Yougoslavia?-- Vladimirko 14:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Kelley, Thomas Lee, "The enigma of Nikola Tesla". Arizona State University. [Thesis] (PDF)
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