User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 9

Not too happy

Jimbo, what's the deal with "Wikipedia:Long term abuse/George Reeves Person" (courtesy delete as part of negotiation with individual admins, you know where to find this if you need it)"

What individual admins? I have been tracking this person since day one, and its been a headache. I'm not very happy to be out of the loop. I also don't have a place to post new articles attacked, which is important. My email is enabled if you want to tell me what the heck is going on.

He's made fools of admins in the past. I don't know if this guy is mesmerizing or what, but I would assume that nothing he says is necessarily true. Whatever kind of deal you've go going down, I am sure that it will only work if backed by meatspace force.

Remember, this guy has vowed to track me down and destroy me. This guy has posted on his web site a method of exploiting a flaw in Wikipedia's software to do serious damage to Wikipedia. This guy has made legal threats. This guy has caused a lot of headaches generally. How much "courtesy" does this guy deserve? There is no personal information on this person contained on the page you deleted. Herostratus 23:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jimbo: I wish you luck in negotiating with this difficult person. Ultimately it would help us if he would just stop the vandalism, malicious personal attacks, and threats. He reserves his most violent personal attacks for those who have tried to reason with him gently, which is ... interesting. Yet: do what is right for Wikipedia. I paraphrase Sun Tzu, "the highest form of victory is to accomplish your aim without fighting." Good luck to you, and let me know if I can help. Antandrus (talk) 00:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Per your reply - Ah, I see, OK then. Best of luck. Herostratus 01:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

In the news

My first authentic Jimbo message. Delightful :)

Anyway, thought I'd give you a heads up about this straw poll which concerns a possible name change for "In the news." There's been a bit of ongoing harrumping over what ITN is for, particularly with reference to the Encyclopedia/Newsticker divide (the most recent flare up concerned the World Cup), and while thankfully it hasn't become any kind of a major brushfire, it's been mooted a few times that a section rename might be a good proactive step to clear the air for the next time. A rename might more accurately encapsulate how the section has evolved to operate and better rationalize why exactly an encyclopedia has something that looks cursorily like a newsticker from Google or something.

Needless to say, if you cared to weight in your feedback would be greatly appreciated. The Tom 00:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Self-governing community based on consensus

.. doesn't work Jimbo. In my comment above, I noted that there are no effective measures that would prevent the admins from misusing their powers, no "internal investigation". Moreover, you cannot expect the community to stick toghether, if there is a sub-group that has more power. This sub-group will stick together, it would in any environment. This doesn't get to its extremes here, because it is a virtual community and most people don't see the sense of their lifes in wikipedia, and the effects of "fighting for power" are therefore mitigated. In a real community based on this model, disputes would lead to estabilishment of parties, which would fight for power and the leaders of the winning party would eventually become dictators of this previously consensus-driven community. My point is, consensus might be a good way to resolve content disputes of the articles, it is, however, not a good way to govern a community. 85.70.5.66 08:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'm thinking of Lord of the Flies. Or as Yeats said

Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

--Eggman64 09:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Or as Leonard Cohen said,

There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in...

— Jul. 8, '06 [14:05] <freak|talk>

Lord of the flies it ain't. More like Skull and Bones, Adolf Hitler's takeover of the German Nazi party or Joseph Stalin all rolled into one. Anarchy, real anarchy or at least a transparant government is what we need here. 66.218.22.4 07:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Please help me

This person: user:improv keeps on changing my atricle on Samrat Upadhyay. Is he an editor? Please tell me how can I improve and maintain the wiki standard. I want to be a proper contributor. Give me an idea about what to include and what not to.--Nepal avish 01:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Brians Peppers

Why did you delete all the pages on Brian Peppers? -— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheepdog tx (talk • contribs) 15:06, July 4, 2006

His family requested it. They were upset by the satyrical fame their son had achieved on the internet.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 15:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

No, that is not the reason. The reason is that the page was properly deleted by a proper AfD, and then brought back multiple times, resulting in what looked to me like a brewing war over it. I decided that it was really quite unimportant as a topic, and that the principle that AfD should be respected was more important. --Jimbo Wales 16:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy, that makes sence in itself, but the sentiment of respecting Brian Peppers family is a much more important one as far as humanitarianism is concerned. Old friend 06:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you make it into a links page to Brian Peppers articles on other wikis. DyslexicEditor 17:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you leave it the way it is: {{deletedpage}}. --Lord Deskana (talk) 17:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

There's images like this Image:Toby-peppers.png on wikipedia. This one looks 9 months old. DyslexicEditor 23:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Until quite recently, unfortunately, the Peppers thing was kept alive on the talk page. I deleted the talk page and this was then taken to Deletion review. The deletion was supported in the review. So we really do as a community agree with Jimbo's action. --Tony Sidaway 23:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I was unaware of the article's AfD, I only knew of its most recent deletion. Sorry about the incorrect response.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 00:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Administrators abusing with article Angel Rada

Many venezuelans and Southamerican knew the work of the ethnosonics and electronic musicians, vanguard musicians doesn`t work at the normal celebrity of music , they art is another sphere or atges , please do a revision of Angel Rada Bio , try to do with neutrality it you want some data write me to transmillenium@gmx.net or avrmusic@yahoo.com his record label --200.8.35.108 15:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Anittas

Thanks for taking the time to fully explain this situation on my usertalk page. All I said in my comment on User:Xed's page was that I thought something weird was going on... meaning something needing further explanation. Like I said above, thanks for taking the time to exlain it. Whatever problems I think Wikipedia might have, I deffinitely do agree with your overall goals, and obviously think thet you have wikipedia's best interest at heart. Easter rising 16:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia, WP:NOT, and Real time strategy games

Hello Jimbo. I feel funny barging in here like this, but I have a question about WP:NOT and its implications to some pages I wrote as they pertain to gaming. On Wikipedia it is not uncommon to find article dealing with games, and most games have extra pages covering characters and equipment and such. Overall, the pages do not seem to bump up against policy here, so I decided to be bold and overhauled a bunch of paes relating to the real-time strategy game Command & Conquer and one of its off shoots, Command & Conquer: Generals. Among other things I created a listing of all the units that appeared in the games, but I was careful to omit the cost, prerequists, and specific uses of the units so that anyone reading up on the material would have to go elsewhere to find that information (its usually presented in a game guide, which we are not allowed to have here). Since then however admins have listed the material on AFD, claiming that the info presented is a violation of WP:NOT by presenting a game manual and a how to guide. I take offense to that for two reasons: first, I have not told anybody how to do anything. There are no strategy guides, no walkthroughs, nothing of that nature on the pages. Secondly, the information is encyclopedic, as it cover the evolution of the units and strucutres throughout the series. In the case of the units other contributers have even added real to life inspirations for such vehicals.

Ordinarly I would not bother you about this, but I do feel that the pages have encyclopedic value here. I am also concerned about the presedent that this raises, as the admins have vowed to begin a mass deletion campaign against article in the Warcraft and StarCraft universe when these article are finished. I am not asking you to vote on the AFD (although if you want to that would be awesome), but I would like your two cents on the matter. Since you founded the site, I figure that you understand better than anyone what should and should not be allowed here. TomStar81 05:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The real standard in question here concerns the inclusion of minutia from fictional worlds. It seems to me that many people have a bias against the kinds of fictional worlds found in most games, where characters, places, and objects have a kind of auto-generated feel to them rather than a human touch (take World of Warcraft for an example). The fact is that lots of this stuff -- for very complex reasons contemplated only by bleeding-edge literary critics and their ilk -- develops meaning for thousands of not millions of people, whether or not they exhibit much authorial care in their origins. It is almost certainly material of concern to only a subculture, but it would be injudicious to hold that against games and not other subjects. --Apantomimehorse 03:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The Psychology Wiki

Hi Jim,

I started using Wikipedia about 18 months ago, mainly because I am a poor Psychology Student and couldn't afford all the textbooks for my course. I've since started editing wikipedia and am now an Admin on the Psychology Wiki. I don't know if you are aware of us or not, we are the 5th largest Wikia by size/content, but we really need more contributors. Was hoping you could check us out, see what you think, and maybe mention us.

I completely agree with your vision of free knowledge, as does the founder of the Psychology Wiki: Lifeartist. Spreading the knowledge of Psychology and making it an integrated science, for free, to improve society is our goal.

Here is the post I put on the featured wikia nominations page today:

I feel that the Psychology Wiki is in need of some promotion. We are a large wiki in terms of content but small in terms of contributors. We have various plans to promote ourselves through wikipedia, and through psychology on and off the internet, but some more promotion amongst people already familiar with Wiki editing would be very advantageous.

I think that we are perhaps a more serious and knowledge orientated Wiki in comparison with the many fan based Wikis here. Not that I'm knocking those wikis though; the Muppet Wiki rocks!

The Psychology Wiki differs from Wikipedia psychology articles in that:

1) It is intended to contain all of the discipline of psychology, like a giant meta-textbook, rather than an Encyclopedia.
2) It will therefore go into much greater technical detail than one would have in an encyclopedia. It will have full academic referencing.
3) It will have user experiences relating to psychology issues on seperate user pages, protected by admins, allowing POV to be expressed on these pages only. The rest of the wiki is NPOV, but expression of personal experience is nessesary and desireable on our wiki.
4) It will have course content pages from academic and clinical courses with links to internal wiki articles.
5) It will be a place for researchers to discuss latest papers etc...

We just need more contributors to make it work! Mostly Zen 21:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

PS All wiki editors should be aware of the psychological phenomena of Social Loafing. It effects new Wikis with few contributors especially.

Wikia.com should not be spammed on Wikipedia. Wikia is for profit. Wikipedia is not for profit. Please don't compromise the legal standing of Wikipedia as a nonprofit charity organization. WAS 4.250 03:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

As the a few of the posts here demonstrate...

The current 'entry points' for new readers/editors are in disarray. In particular, the necessary materials for learning mediawiki (beyond the basics, at least) is scattered across media.wikimedia.org, www.mediawiki.org, and the various wikis. I think some executive butt-kicking (or massaging, perhaps) is needed in this area. For starters, I would say there needs to be a clear seperation between learning:

policy, guildlines, practices, organization
mediawiki wikitext

In particular, these two sections need to be both distinctly split into material for new/casual editors and for dedicated editors. While lots of material already reflects this division, there's too many random entry and exit points to and from these materials. What's really needed is more narrative cohesion for (and delineation between) these use cases:

'I want to learn just enough to get started and make heads and tails of this thing.'
'I want to get involved in the community and make contact; how do Wikipedeans communicate?'
'I want to read and discuss the community guildlines, policies, and practices.'
'I want to learn everything about mediawiki so I understand everything I look at, and so I can use best-practices, markup-wise.'

(Perhaps you can think of another.) As it is, the help material is too ad hoc.

Currently, I'm working on a video which teaches complete mediwiki because I think video an easier to digest medium compared to text. Still, I'd also like to work on the Help pages myself, except the root Help materials are edit blocked. Whom should I talk to about these intro materials? Thanks. --Apantomimehorse 03:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Find a page that you think is relevant to your concerns and discuss your concerns on its talk page. WAS 4.250 04:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose Help Talk is more appropriate than here (and seems I was wrong about Help being protected), so I'll take this up there, but my general point is that the whole of the Help system is quite out of whack, and I think it needs special executive-level (or perhaps cabal-level) attention, for the learning curve of mediawiki and the wikipedia has steepened. Spiderweb graphs of information are a fine way to present the whole of everything (as an encylopedia does), but they're not fun to encounter for people trying to learn a whole subject matter. Such information needs to be quite rigoursly hierarchical with a strong avoidance of redundancies. --Apantomimehorse 05:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Disguating

After 2 month of deliberation anyone looking for Apartheid in Wikipedia is refred to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_%28disambiguation%29

This page still refer people to various accusations that are used by political propeganda distributors who took advantage of Wikipedia popularity to propegante their message of political terms such as "Islamic Apartheid" and "Israeli Apartheid".

Wikipedia is not a dictionary and the only apartheid known so far is the one in South Africa. Zeq 12:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The terms you mention are used by people in the world and therefore are legitimate (short) articles, e.g. "Israeli Apartheid is a term used by critics of Israel to refer to the situation of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict." Maybe the terms don't justify the length of even a short article, though. Still, if I entered 'Israeli Apartheid' into Wikipedia search, I'd want to find out what it means. --Apantomimehorse 03:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

There is a big difference between explaning "what it is" and "who use it for what" and the blant turning of wikipedia to what it is wp:not. The violation of wp:not is what disgusting. Zeq 09:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment that was originally placed '

There is a cabal, the blocks issued by admins are often punitive, not preventive, and are not issued for disruptions of the main article space, but merely for offensive behavior in talkpages, which is only subjectively perceived and could easily be ignored. The blocks are usually not reverted because the admins stick together. Either the ArbCom shloud work better, or the community should be given the rights to desysop the admin and the policy for desysopping should be more strict. This concept of community where all are equal doesn't work, because you have the cops here (admins), who are more equal, they have their own "admin" community, but you have no functioning "internal investigation department" i.e. cophunters, who would pursue the admins for misuse of their powers, and the editors are not able to deal with the admin cabal. 85.70.5.66 21:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC) P.S.: Please don't consider this vandalism. I have placed an argument here, I know it will be deleted, but the owner of the page already stated that we may edit his page.

Dear 85.70.5.66, Here Here! You are 100% right on, totally correct. Excellent observation. If only Wikipedia had a transparent government with no bullshit going on. If only this really was the encyclopedia that 'anyone can edit'. The internet might be a better place for it. Then it would be something that does make the internet not suck. But as it is, it only adds to the suckiness of the internet. It only adds to the tons of propagandistic, demeaning, mind controlling advertisement-oriented crap that the world wide web has become.

And if we don't fight against it..

It will only get worse. And worse. And worse. 66.218.22.10 06:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

ps This is also a constructive criticism made by a person who once loved Wikipedia and would like to be able to love it again. 66.218.22.10 06:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Silly anons! Everybody knows there's a cabal! You can find it here and here. --Banana04131 23:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Is 67.119.194.1 your IP Address?

I just saw in the history section of Jimmy Wales that 67.119.194.1 was appearing the most. Is that your IP when you're not logged in? --Pronoun 21:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

That's really funny. No, of course that is not me. That is the ip number of a banned user who has been harassing me.--Jimbo Wales 21:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Questionable username

Just came across an account by the name of Nropsevolselawobmij (i.e. 'Jimbo Wales loves porn', spelled backwards); this looks to me to be against the username policy, but seeing as it's your name I'll leave it to you to decide whether to act on that. --Calair 04:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

How Can I Find OUt If An Article I Started Got Deleted?

The heading says it all? Can anyone help me . . . if so could you post it on my user talk page . . ? Thanks! --Josh, user:POLLUX 15:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC) -reply on talk page --Banana04131 22:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

A compliment

I think I have just been paid a compliment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ste4k&diff=prev&oldid=63508109

Ste4k 00:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Xed

Since you've twice unblocked this user ("he asked nicely") I was wondering whether you had any objection to an indefinite block in light of his (recently removed) trolling on this very page. Thanks. — Jul. 7, '06 [14:09] <freak|talk>

I would prefer that if this were to be done, it be done through the ArbCom rather than unilaterally. I don't need protection from him. In my opinion, his rhetoric is transparently trolling and therefore it is best to let him speak as much as he likes... he proves a better point left free to harass me than if blocked. If he is abusing other people, then that is a different matter of course. But I am not concerned about Xed.

I am also a hopeless romantic. I imagine that someday he will realize that there is a better way to address some of his legitimate concerns (systemic bias, etc.) than to go around making preposterous and transparently silly arguments about my alleged corruption. --Jimbo Wales 19:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well it looked like this Xed chap just gets too carried away with what he describes as legitimate critisim and comments. It's a wiki and there's no tolerance for trollish behavior such as that. I recommend forebearance and, if the block log gets too cluttered with such offenses, just quietly block them indefinitely with an summary such as "Exhausted the communities patience through idiotic trolling and is obviously not here to build an encyclopedia." -Randall Brackett 19:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, he has already exhausted the patience of everyone except for me, I am afraid. This has been going on for years. I do not think it really makes sense to call his behavior "just getting too carried away". He posts things which are really outrageous and based on falsehood, things that he knows (or has had every opportunity to know) are falsehoods, with the express purpose, as far as I can tell, of getting himself banned so that he can cry about the injustive of it all. Of late, he has been repeating the same tired story over and over, a story which is not true. Here is my summary of the situation: [1]--Jimbo Wales 20:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, according to the blocking policy, "There have been situations where a user has exhausted the community's patience to the point where he or she finds themselves blocked. Administrators who block in these cases should be sure that there is community support for the block, and should note the block on WP:ANI as part of the review process." I'm sure you're aware of this. The growing support for this community block is located here. Just thought you should know, if you already didn't. --LV ^{(Dark Mark)} 21:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I support this block. This editor states blatent lies, defamation of character and consistently violates his arbcom ruling. We should not have to tolerate this nonsense. He's an obvious indefinite block canidate. This is a good block.-Randall Brackett 21:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I would just say that Xed is a annoying personality with delusions of grandeur. I do not think he will ever contribute positively to the encyclopedia, he is just a strange person that seems to get pleasure by attempting to push other people's button and then accuse them of being a part of a grand conspiracy against him. I understand that Jimbo unblocked him to underscore the silliness of Xed's accusations against him in particular, but I think it was the wrong thing to do on Jimbo's part since Xed's "campaign" against Mr. Wales was only one miniscule part of the years of negative behavior.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hasn't he already contributed positively? Everyking 08:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he has made a couple of okay contributions, but this is canceled out many fold by his other actions.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 12:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo Power

When you made the notice about the SMS.ac article. There was a frenzy to improve it. You must be a pretty well know Wikipedian :) Nookdog 03:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and I should be nicer to the people doing it. I am on a bit of a tear lately about improving the quality of such articles.--Jimbo Wales 03:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes you don't want a powerful company to get "Upset" ;) Nookdog 03:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC) (wow I got to talk with Jimbo:)

What powerful company?--Jimbo Wales 03:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, SMS.ac Inc. Nookdog 03:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh by the way, I just joined Campaigns Wikia. It seems to suite my interests very nicely, and I hope to be a part of it. Nookdog 03:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I am not worried about SMS.ac. What I care about is quality. I treat all complaints the same way.--Jimbo Wales 03:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Good point. Nookdog 13:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello Jimbo Wales! Kind of new here so i'm just dropping by.--ThanosMadTitan23 06:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Brandy Alexandre real name and edit

I understand your point, and won't contest it. I'll plead we had good intentions, but know what road is paved with those. :-) I apologize, and will try to be more careful in the future.

However, if you will take a look at the diff of your revert edit, I think you will see that you didn't do what you probably wanted. The edit did 4 things:

restored a now out-of-context comment
removed her date of birth from the box (while leaving it in the article text, and, as far as I understand, it is not controversial)
removed her Forest Lawn experience (which is reported in several of the cited reference sources)
restored a now out-of-context link to Amazon policy

All this did not affect her real name, which, presumably you wanted to remove. The name wasn't on the page when you edited; when it became an issue, it was not put back.

I'm asking to avoid getting in more trouble. Am I correct that you did not intend to do those things? AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 13:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Right, I just went back to her last version, which I assumed was fine with hers... I did not study it closely. Probably you can do a much better job that I did. :) --Jimbo Wales 18:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed. Will try to avoid further trouble for at least the next five minutes. :-) AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 18:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal approval process counter to Wikipedia's aims?

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Portal approval process counter to Wikipedia's aims?

You may want to be aware that some editors are now selecting portals for possible deletion on the grounds that a portal has not been given prior approval: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Thinking. Concern has been raised that this portal approval process does not have the wide consensus it appears to claim. The self-appointed group make users wait a week for their approval. SilkTork 15:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

was this comment on my talk page directed towards me?

Is this comment [2] directed towards me? If so, I'm confused. I've made maximum effort to source all new material added to the article SMS.ac. Themindset 07:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I will pay closer attention. Since this IP is commonly making white-wash edits (as well as blanking pages, adding bad-faith speedy tags, etc.) I have not always given its edits the fullest attention. I apologize for my sloppiness. Themindset 20:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

If I haven't been clear, I was reverting the IPs edits, I did not write the content you were asking me about (but I reaffirm my intention to pay closer attention when I perform such actions). Themindset 21:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Credentialism

Mr. Wales: I have read about your ideas about anti-credentialism, and how you feel that anyone should be able to contribute knowledge, etc. I agree that Wikipedia is a wonderful idea. It is commendable to want to allow everyone access to the sum of all human knowledge. However, until the words of certified experts are acknowledged and encouraged, I don't know if this great experiment will be truly successful. To often I see people with the correct knowledge have their edits reverted because of a clique didn't want the article to say it or it didn't follow "consensus." Sometimes the group is simply wrong. I really enjoy the site and participating, but until these issues are addressed, I refuse to use this site for anything besides keeping up whats happening on my favorite TV shows and Comic Books. If I am incorrect about any aspect of your philsophy regarding Wikipedia, please correct me. Thanks.--Wakefencer 23:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Stifle's unilateral indef block

Jimbo,

I need your opinion. The result of Arbcom's examination into Jason Gastrich's behavior was a 1 year ban. However, User:Stifle has taken it upon himself to extend that to an indef block. I find this very odd and even inappropriate.

Here is the link that he cited, in his defense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive39#Jason_Gastrich . Please examine the situation and give your input. An indef block is VERY serious and it seems that Stifle has taken it upon himself to perform one, after Arbcom made an alternate ruling.

Regards, Martian Man4 08:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Stifle put his indef block up for review on AN/I, where it was unanimously endorsed. Powers 15:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Admins love idefinite blocks. Not 10 years, not 100, not 10000000000000000, but for eternity!!! An indefinite block is like saying to a user, "Make a new account," and they do. DyslexicEditor 20:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Urgent - For Your Eyes, Sir

Dear Jimbo Wales. I think that “this” Proposed Guidelines for Editing Freemasonry Related Articles must come direct to you – as Admin seen unwilling to look objectively at it. If you want to “Block” me as a “Sock” as well, then go ahead, but I think the issue stands on its own. Thanks for your time, in good faith for the Wiki project, My 42 is in (Base 13) 22:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)