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TPK 13:41, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

EMU isn't "eroneous"

for example

EMU doesn't stand for European Monetary Union. It stands for "Economic (and) Monetary Union". Check out the European Union's official page.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/economy_finance/euro/origins/origins_2_en.htm

That it's a common mistake that you can find throughout the Internet, doesn't make it less of a mistake.

Aris Katsaris 00:32, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Ari, exo mia isigisi- den einai kalitera na pi i simea tis Athinas kato apo to allo megalo symbolo tis polis- tin Akropoli?... G3

Pithanon na na exeis dikio -- distasa na to kano epeidi fobomoun oti tha poly sympiknomena (overcrowded) ta pragmata, alla ekana mia anakatataksi ton kommation, kai tora nomizo pos paei kalitera... Kai i simaia paei ousiastika kato ap'tin akropoli. Aris Katsaris 19:31, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please see my note to you at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Discorso e verita nella Grecia antica -- Jmabel 05:21, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Γεια σας,
Θα είσαστε ευπρόσδεκτος στην ελληνική Wikipedia (Βικιπαίδεια). Είμαι ενεργός στην Βικιπαίδεια εδώ και πολύ καιρό και είμαι επίσης και διαχειριστής. Θα σας παρακαλούσα εάν είσταστε κι εσείς ενεργός να αφήσετε ένα μήνυμα στην Αγορά και στη σελίδα συζήτησής μου.
Εαν επίσης, θα θελατε να συνεργαστείτε μαζί μου για οποιαδήποτε συγγραφή και ανάπτυξη άρθρων στη Βικιπαίδεια, για βοήθεια ή για οτιδήποτε άλλο δεν έχετε παρά να επισκεφθείτε και την Σελίδα μου και να αφήσετε μήνυμα στη σελίδα συζήτησής μου. -- Leonariso 15:20, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi,
I welcome you to greek Wikipedia (Βικιπαίδεια). I am active here for a long time and I am also an admninistrator. I would like to leave a message in greek Community portal and to my talkpage if you are active, too.
Feel free to co-operate with me or ask me anything about wikipedia by leving a message to my talkpage. -- Leonariso 15:20, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ari, I'm not going to argue with you about Dora Bakoyanni, but I'm sure you know that the usual convention among Greeks in English-speaking countries is not to change the endings of women's surnames when speaking English. Thus Kiria Galanopoulou becomes Mrs Galanopoulos. Google confirms that Bakoyannis is the more common form of her name used in English. (Actually the spelling Bakoyiannis or Bakoyianni seems to be more correct - what do you think about that?) Adam 04:43, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Judging from Google "Dora Bakoyianni" I believe seems to be more popular than any other variation of the name.... Change to that, perhaps?

To tell the truth calling her "Bakoyannis" struck me such an obvious mistake that I didn't consider the alternative as a possibility. I knew that in English-speaking parts of the world, women take their husbands' name as it is, without change, but I imagined that people that married outside of the US would have no reason to alter their name a *second* time, intentionally to follow english-speaking custom.Aris Katsaris 04:55, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't awear of this. To me, the words are perfectly legible. I'm also sorry that I was so vicious in my attacks. You calling what I was doing vanadalism really got to me. Obviously, this was some kind of misunderstanding and I hope that it will not occur again.

-Anonymous

I've reverted the colors again. Valid color values for red, green, and blue are specified by hexadecimal, and must be in the range of 00 through FF. So 000000 (black) is valid, as is FFFFFF (white). I would suggest that you read up a bit on basic HTML.
Sorry about the "vandalism" comment, but that's pretty much what it looked like at first. - Kenwarren 02:39, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you so much for fixing the United States template! jengod 00:57, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I had the whole Harry Potter info box thing worked out until you came along (I actually am the same person who created them, my number got changed from back then) and I invented some rules that you should probably know.

The color reflects the affliation of the character and an affiliation is not "Hogwarts teacher" or something like that but clearly defines to whom the character is loyal. For example, Arthur Weasley works in the Ministry, but he's listed as being an affliate of the Order, because, though he is a member, he is not loyal to the Ministry. Such is the case with Marietta Edgecombe as well (not that you have had any problems with that, but some people have.)

Also, the inputs on the factboxes aren't changed except under special cirumstances for certain character, such as house-elves for instance. Therefore we either need a separate category for Malfoy and friends or we need to change all the students to match.

Here are what the colors are meant to reflet:

  • Gold: the "good guys" basically. Either members of the Order or Dumbledore's Army or loyal to someone who is member of either.
  • Black(formerly green): a follower of Lord Voldemort or the Dark Arts.
  • Red: someone loyal to the Ministry in its propagandizing of Harry and Dumbledore or loyal to someone who is such as Filch for instance.
  • Pink: unknown affliation.
  • White: no affliation.
  • Green: well, I don't know exactly. Slytherins? If we define Slytherin as an affliation then all the houses will have to be affliation and we will have to start organizing the colors by house instead of affliation.

I don't mean to blame you for anything, on the contry it's nice to someone working on this half as hard as me, but I had this whole thing organized perfectly and I only had a few problems. I probably should have explained how my factboxes worked somewhere so problems like this wouldn't happen.

It seems to me the best solution would be for us to list an affliation other than the squad for Malfoy and friends.

Don't worry, I've fixed the problem now. Green is now someone is a friend of Draco Malfoy. Draco himself seems to be filled up to the ears with self-interest, so I changed his affliation to "none." The rest I listed as being loyal to Malfoy.
First of all, if there are specific rules about this, then they should be posted in the Harry Potter Talk page. So that others may discuss them to see whether they like them or not. Wikipedia is a common project for all. I figured out that you had made up a given set of rules -- but you have to remember that in a community project like this, rules are subject to public approval. And also -- such rules must be *shared*.
Secondly -- I think that if you meant "Loyalty" rather than "Affiliation", then "Loyalty" would be a better word to use. In fact I might have fewer problems with this, because "Affiliation" seemed very generic and bizarre to me -- I don't think it means what you believe it to mean. In which case a self-interested character like Draco Malfoy could also be Green, as he's loyal to himself, Draco Malfoy. Likewise, other characters that are only loyal to themselves like Voldemort, could properly have the color of the group that signifies them.
Thirdly -- my own preferred solution, (since especially on the student level there are many folk who don't have specifically declared "loyalties") would have been to group students by House and the adults by loyalty in either the Order of the Phoenix, the Ministry, or Voldemort's group. For example what exactly is Cho's "loyalty", or Zacharias Smith? I thought that on the student front, coloring by House actually gives us a more relevant bit of information.
Fourth why don't you register to get a name for yourself? It'd then become easy to remember you and not just that but also to have a talk and user pages of your own.
I'll be soon copying this conversation to the main Harry Potter talk page. And then I'll be probably changing most instances of the vague "Affiliation" to the much more specific "Loyalty". Cheers. Aris Katsaris 20:27, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I admit I should have posted the rules somewhere a long time ago. The format was based on that used for Star Wars characters by the official website and The Essential Guide to Characters, which use the word "Affliation." You're right that many students don't have real "loyalies," but the most importnat students, such Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Neville, etc. do. Even Cho had a clear pollitical beilfs, but there are also background teachers, like Sprout, Sinistra and Vector, who we know practically nothing about.
I put things on the table I thought, would be really interested to know. Obviously, one of the first things you would not to know about a character is whether they are good or bad. I think I should explain the rest of my format.

Color

I already explained this above. If someone is loyal to another person, then they have the same color is that person, like Dobby for instance. If a person is not loyal to anyone and someone is loyal to them, then for the affliate, a new color would be needed. I used this for Peeves.

Gender

I doubt many people will have trouble with this.

Eye and Hair Color

I don't care whether you spell it "color" or "colour," but I just want to point out that it has to be what the book says. Even though Ron has blue eyes in the film, it doesn't say what color his eyes are in the book, so it doesn't matter.

House

I added house after people started adding the character's house to the affliation and I realized I needed to list their house. Obviously, we don't know that Lucius Malfoy, but it very likely so we say, "Slytherin(?)."

Blood Purity

There has been so debat about whether we should keep this. While it is true that Rowling and the good characters are aganist this classifcation, it is a very important issue in the books, which has a lot to do with Rowling hating it. There is almost no way to know someone's blood purity without being told. Both Luna's parents are magical, but we need to know about their parents as well. However, it is still possible to some logical deduction.

Affiliation/Loyalty

Explained. However, you can't really say someone is loyal to themselves, as it has been done with Draco Malfoy.

  • If they have no more important loyalty than themselves, then yes, you can. And it's utterly crucial that they have the same color as their followers -- how can you claim color indicates loyalty when leader and follower have different colors? And please, this conversation and all the things you tell me and all your arguments belong to Talk:Harry Potter where I've moved part of what we've said. Aris Katsaris 22:54, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Fictional

Apologies and thanks for your efforts to clean up after my misguided attempt on Fictional categorization. I still hold that aspect-based, instead of hierarchical, categorization would have been a good idea for Fictional, but doing it without discussion was childish. -- Pjacobi 09:28, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

U.S. template

Hey, is there any way you can shrink the size of the font in the bottom section back to 10px or whatever that was? I think having it that size makes the overall template much smaller. Please? Thanks! jengod 20:18, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

It's just IE on Windows 2000...Here are two examples:

  • [[Image:Template-us-smallsize.jpg]]
  • [[Image:Template-us-largesize.jpg]]

Maybe I'm just being crazy... jengod 20:50, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

When you click help/about on your IE what edition does it show? Either way hold on a couple of minutes, and I'll be changing part of what I did back. Tell me if it looks correct then. Aris Katsaris 20:58, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'm using IE 6.0.2800; and it looks great now. Thank you so much! xoxo. jengod 21:48, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Athens captions

Hi, Aris, I'm sorry about the 1955 typo earlier in the Athens captions. I just took a second try at updating the captions with minimal changes - I think you'll find them more palatable, though you may still want to change the first one a bit. As with most wiki text, I'm pretty sure there's still room for improvement. I think the guidelines at Wikipedia:Captions can help with these. For example, I'd like to tie the Landsat picture to the article better - perhaps by mentioning zoning or something like that - but I couldn't figure how to keep the caption accurate at the same time. Thanks for your help! -- ke4roh 12:31, Aug 15, 2004 (UTC)

Why had you reverted the EU map at Image:EU_map_names_isles.png??

I clicked on a link I thought would take me to an earlier version, but instead it was reverted without prompting me. Apologies - I knew something had happened, but I thought I would break more things if I tried to fix it .. Wizzy 07:31, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nomination for article un-deletion

Hello. I noted your recent support for the Empire of Atlantium article on VfD, based on the multiple VfD listings the article survived since February. The most recent VfD resulted in 19 people (40%) voting to retain vs 29 (60%) voting to delete. Despite the fact that the count was fully 9 votes short of achieving a 2/3 consensus, the article has been deleted by a sysop. Because this appears to contravene VfD policy I have listed the article for un-deletion, which you might care to review and support, if you feel it is a valid listing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion --Gene_poole 04:50, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nice idea in Ender's templates

I like the better wording you've introduced throughout the templates for Ender's Game. When I made them I knew "things" was clumsy, but didn't have a better word, thanks. Also we might want to move "List of things in the Ender's Game series" to "List of miscellaneous elements in the Ender's Game series"? —siroχo 20:43, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

Done. Aris Katsaris 20:49, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Article about Yeshu

Hi Aris

Are you still interested in the article on Yeshu? Jayjg 14:53, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If you are, please see current Talk:Yeshu Jayjg 19:28, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Monaco euro

Hi...sorry about the mix-up. When I found the article, there wasn't any content on it. Just a blank page. - Lucky 6.9 17:51, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Okay, no prob. The blanking may have been accidental. Just check the history next time to see if a page had meaningful content in the past. :-) Aris Katsaris 18:35, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

2004 Summer Olympics Opening Ceremony

I just wanted to say thanks for catching my rather silly typo at 2004 Summer Olympics opening ceremony. I promise that I don't think Greeks are Freeks. :p Beginning 18:37, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

History of Ancient Greece

Hi,

Maybe we can find middle ground? I agree that

>Homosexuality in ancient Greece is a topic worth an article by itself, but this one is about the *history* of Ancient Greece in general. You can't include links about too limited subtopics.

but having *no* mention of "it" in the article is like doing an article on Harry Potter and not mentioning magic. It is both historical and central to the culture. What if we insert it into the "The rise of Hellas" section, since it seems to fit in there best. I would suggest

". . . Greek colonies were also founded in Egypt and Libya. Modern cities such as Syracuse, Naples, Marseilles and Istanbul began as Greek colonies.

Colonization eventually exhausted the supply of available territory. To cope with the resulting population pressure, the Greek city-states (starting with Crete) adopted the practice of pederasty, which influenced pedagogy, warfare and social life, and became a central feature of Hellenic culture for the next thousand years.

By the 6th century, Hellas . . ."

And yes, it can all be elaborated ad infinitum in its own article, but so can any of the other topics in the piece.--Haiduc 00:29, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I do not know enough about the particular era to determine the exact historical accuracy of the paragraph you are suggesting, but I would have no objection to it in principle. So if you add it, I wouldn't delete it. Though I find your comparison with Harry Potter and magic rather extreme. Pederasty seems to me to have been in Greece a very prominent *sidenote* of its culture -- sure, important enough to mention but hardly all-encompassing and all-important. But as I said I won't remove the paragraph you suggest. Aris Katsaris 00:44, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Aristotle says as much (about pederasty and population control) and Percy (1996) makes a very cogent argument for the link to colonization. As for all-importance, I have read that Pausanias considered three institutions to be fundamental to Greek civilization: the Olympics, the Eleusinian Mysteries, and pederasty. But I am still trying to find the exact quote. Thanks for your co-operation. [PS I came across your comment about my trying to publicize androphile.org, and I beg to differ. I simply find the material there (yes, I contribute there too) to be of value, and do not want to merely copy and paste.] Best regards, --Haiduc 02:31, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

new Rulers of Númenor category

Nice job! I was just thinking that we really need to break up the "Middle-earth Dúnedain" category a bit. (Coming soon: Rulers of Gondor? I feel inspired.) --[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 14:04, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thank you! By the way, in regards to Arnor, check out [[:Category_talk:Middle-earth_D%FAnedain]] for me proposing a name for another category about that. Aris Katsaris 11:26, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Map

I actually took Kpalion's map and changed it a bit. Space Cadet 16:48, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The maps from Royal and Ducal Prussia, on the other hand, are my work entirely. Space Cadet 16:50, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

When changing categories...

Would you mind checking the "This is a minor edit" box? With the amount of mass-categorizing we've been doing of Middle-earth articles lately (hurray!), it's helpful to be able to sort the minor edits (and these really are minor for the articles) out of the list of recent changes. --[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 17:17, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry that I've often neglected to do so. Aris Katsaris 17:18, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sindar vs Grey Elves

I don't see a need to change Sindar to Grey Elves in categorizing. [[User:Anárion|Ана́рыён]] 21:36, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

No particular *need*, but I thought we were going to use "High Elves" vs "Grey Elves" in order to have them look better together? If I misunderstood I apologize, but I thought that's what we said in the talk thread. Aris Katsaris 21:39, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

% in vote on Kazakhstan "Europeness"

Thanks, my calculator is broken :-)
Ejrrjs 02:03, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"bullet"-style contributions & signatures

Hi Aris,

I didn't decide on style yet: according to web-usability "bullet"-style is supposed to enhance readibility. In wikipedia this leads to many different layouts when adding a signature to a contribution of more than one bullet. I tried out several of these styles (including some of my own), but I didn't see a "wikipedia standard solution" yet.

Please clarify your position:

  • Do you see CfD as an "exchange of ideas" page?
  • Do you see CfD as a "voting only" page?

In the first case, I think more than one bullet for clarifying ideas very useful (but would indent these bullets, like I did).

In the second case, more "exchange of ideas" outside CfD might be useful.

Didn't hear your comment on the first attempt of integrated version of wikipedia:categorization of people yet? Would be very happy to read that reaction! And, of course, still more happy if you'd volunteer for some items of the ToDo list on the Categorization of people Talk page!

--Francis Schonken 19:04, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

According to "Web usability" bullets enhance readability when used in order to separate items. "Items" in discussions tend to be whole posts, not subitems of posts. Your indented bullets don't help either, because indents are again what is commonly used to distinguish responses. So, someone looking at a contribution of yours into a discussion can't tell at a glance when people are responding to you, and when it is your own post still. Aris Katsaris 20:24, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

As a second note I tend to find your posts unhelpfully large, repetitive and non-sequitur -- with a little effort on your part I think that both brevity and clarity would be helped. After reading your posts, I often end up thinking "What the hell is the guy talking about?". For example right now you asked my opinions on the function of the Cfd: But that's irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what I asked you, which applies to all discussions *regardless* of what the function of the Cfd is.

"Don't use multiple bullets in your posts, it tends to make for unreadable discussions" -- that's short and to the point, see? Aris Katsaris 20:34, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well, actually, no, up till now I can't see your point re. multiple bullets in discussions (sorry).
Regardless of whether or not I see your point re. Bullet Style, I'd still like your answer on how you see the functioning of CfD page? This question is indeed only indirectly related to "bullet style", but nonetheless I would be interested in your answer.
Thanks for your work on "categorization of people" page!
--Francis Schonken 06:19, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I feel that the CfD page exists in order to deal with specific categorization pages that are felt to be needless -- not a very appropriate place for either vote session or for long discussions: just a way of seeing if there's any significant or wide objection to deleting said schemes. Categorization schemes should be primarily discussed in the talk pages of the categories in question, or other relevant "Wikipedia:" pages, if the categories have large memberships. Categories that face other problems -- horrible incompleteness for example, having three or four members only, inaccuracy and vagueness -- those could be sent over to Cfd immediately, if someone thinks they shouldn't be there at all. Aris Katsaris 19:07, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Arda vs Middle Earth.

Thanks for the heads-up. I wasn't really happy putting Arda, I just felt that it was less clumsey than what went before. "Middle Earth universe" is much better. Rich Farmbrough 00:00, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

More people can recognize "Middle-earth" than "Arda". If it was just us Tolkien junkies that read Wikipedia, I'd possibly agree with you and also hold a preference for "Arda universe" instead of "Middle-earth universe". Cheers. Aris Katsaris 00:01, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

answer

answered you on my talk -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 23:40, 2004 Sep 20 (UTC)

Balrog

Good catch, I completely forgot to type the template. {Ανάριον} 13:26, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Good call...

...on the IPU page regarding the San Juan picture. I didn't even think of that. –Andre (talk) 20:01, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

request

I'd like to invite you to remove the negative personal comment you posted here. If you don't like the edit, then complain about that, but don't negatively comment on me directly. -- Netoholic @ 21:35, 2004 Oct 1 (UTC)

List of Greek wikipedians

Καλησπέρα φίλε, would you want to add yourself to the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Greece list? Etz Haim 18:21, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Καλισπέρα Πατρίδα

Hey, Aris. My name is George and i'm from Patras. Just wanted to say hi :) -- Project2501a 16:44, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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