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Note: Images can be unlisted immediately if they are undisputably in the public domain or licensed under an indisputably free license (GFDL, CC-BY-SA, etc.—see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for more on these). Images which claim fair use must have two people agree to this.

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New images should be listed in this section, under today's date. Please be sure to tag the image with an appropriate PUI tag, and notify the uploader.

8 July

These images are listed as public domain, however the license at [6] says that permission requests need to be made for publication. Chaos syndrome 14:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
These images are listed as being in the public domain, however investigation of the source site provides no indication of this. Uploader is a known copyright violator. Chaos syndrome 14:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 9

  • Image:Adel panorama.jpg Terms of the image's source site say as follows: "The SATC has provided a selection of copyright-free images for use, at no charge. These images are to be used solely for the positive general promotion of South Australia as a destination. They cannot be used for commercial, business or corporate purposes or for paid advertising without the written authority of the SATC." This image is pretty much non-commercial then, unless the uploader, Beneaththelandslide says otherwise. Kevin_b_er 09:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:666.jpg has been copied from [14] and is tagged as GFDL, but according to [15], ‘Images are supplied for teaching and research purposes; beyond that, they should not be used or reproduced without explicit prior consent.’ and while the document in the photograph is not protected by copyright, the entire composition, photographed, may be non-trivial enough to be protected. A prior request for clarification has not been answered by the uploader. —xyzzyn 14:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TomTheHand 17:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 10

Of course it is copyrighted image from FHM. If it weren't a possible copyright infringement, we wouldn't need to claim "fair use". I'm confused by this listing. Jkelly 21:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 11

July 12

*Image:Black Hole (2006).jpg listed as web-screenshot, but is not a screen capture of a website and appears to be a copyrighted image. Ytny 11:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed it. GangstaEB (sliding logs~dive logs) 03:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They still need fair use rationale and I'm not sure if all or some of them qualify as fair use. Ytny 14:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Refixed it. GangstaEB (sliding logs~dive logs) 14:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A Reuters photo, actually. :) Ytny 16:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was there, and they aren't the photographer. I've reverted them, but will leave the image tagged for a reasonable period of time.
— User:Adrian/zap2.js 03:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

July 13

Uploader owns the website - see User talk:ScottMainwaring near the bottom. --Liface 04:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Rosales2003.jpg - Uploader claims that this 2003 photo is public domain according to the copyright law of the Philippines. This law protect photos for 50 years after first publication, eg. photos from 1955 or earlier are public domain. No source was given that the photographer released the photo to the public domain. Thuresson 20:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Lain.jpg - uploader claims to be the person who took the photo, yet this claim seems suspicious, and the uploader has not yet come back with further details to back claim up. A quick Google Image Search reveals a possible source for this image: here. Yet the source website does not list there how it got the image in the first place, nor can I see any copyright info. Further searching with Google does not reveal any additional info. Tabercil 21:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Granville Street Map.jpg - uploader lists the image as a web screenshot, but is clearly an image cropped out of a Google Maps page, not of the website itself. And as with the case with all Google Maps images, all rights reserved. Ytny 22:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 14

it is screenshot, not downloaded image. site generate them using jscript. Elk Salmon 09:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I can confirm this. Of course, that still leaves the issue of the watermark and the fact that it could only be used in articles about the website, rather than the buildings. And there's no articles about the website, nor are there likely to be. I've tagged it for speedy deletion as orphaned fair use, and removed the PUI tag.--Daduzi talk 10:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Made a couple of minor errors in the above. Where I wrote "there's no articles about the website, nor are there likely to be", I should have said "there is an article about the website". And where I said "I've tagged it for speedy deletion as orphaned fair use, and removed the PUI tag" I should have said "I've removed the PUI tag but haven't tagged it for speedy deletion as orphaned fair use, as doing so would be the act of a foolish individual who fails to carefully check search results and/or user contributions." Apologies for any confusion. --Daduzi talk 10:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So it's a (or from a) screenshot, but I've visited skyscraperPage.com and it doesn't appear to be a screenshot of a web page, but instead an image taken from a screenshot, which the web-screenshot license covers, and it still needs a fair use rationale. Ytny 00:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Other images uploaded by user without fairuse rationale are: Image:J Finch.jpg, Image:Gulbis.JPG, Image:Francoeur.jpg (misused promo tag), Image:ScottField.jpg, Image:TMKParkNight.jpg and Image:TMKPark.jpg.

July 15

  • Image:S'mores.jpg Page is copyrighted and in Japanese so no way to confirm (and it is doubtful) that the image is copyright free use -Nv8200p talk 02:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Twoflue 2.GIF - Image does not qualify for fair use (see my talk page for dispute details). Also, no fair use rationale provided. --Hetar 03:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe it does. The source is clearly provided, links and copyrights are provided. I checked everything out and it is easily fair use. The image is clearly used on the harpoon article, since it is a harpoon and that is all. From reading User_talk:Hetar#Image:Twoflue_2.GIF, I do think it has to be used on the museum page, since the only way that this image is connected to the musuem is just that the image came from that museums's website. I do not think the musuem even has an article. Besides that, this image, IMHO, meets all of the requirements of fair use and has a lot better fair use rationale than many of the photos we have. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm still a bit boggled by this. We've agreed that the image is well sourced, and yet there is a template on the image and article page saying that it's not sourced, and soon to be deleted. We've agreed that (like many other images from museums on Wikipedia), it's used with a carefully written justification of fair use rationale with respect to a specific article. Hetar has gone from topic to topic to topic, each time changing the suggestion of what it is that he's concerned about. First it was that the image had no copyright information. Then it was that the image violated counter-example 2 in WP:FAIR. Then it was that the image had a copyright notice that was not a template. Now, it's a claim that there are other images to use. My head is spinning, and I'm left wondering: if the original reason for concern is refuted, then how long do I have to spend on this one minor image? If we're looking to combat unfree images, then I think we're done, and we can go back to working on improving Wikipedia. -Harmil 16:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Longewala.jpg - Two conflicting licenses, I don't believe the uploader knows what license (if any) it is released under. --Hetar 15:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think the user has changed the licensing. Source certainly is verfiable —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.159.185.5 (talk • contribs) .
CommentSource certainly is verfiable —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.159.185.5 (talk • contribs) .
It’s not about the source. By which fair use criteria does the image qualify? (Strikeout removed and tag restored, by the way, until this is really cleared up.) — xyzzyn 00:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Fair Use rationale provided certainly qualifies. I would say that is fair-use image ranam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.207.112.194 (talk • contribs) .
The fair use rationale provided certainly qualifies as a very strong indication that whoever wrote the rationale had not previously read and understood WP:FU. That the image is useful, unique or otherwise desirable does not, per se, enable its use under United States copyright law (or, for that matter, equivalent laws in many other places) and no other reason why fair use would apply is given. —xyzzy n 19:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment According preceding comment by user xyzzy, Heading titled General of WP:FU article states the following: Briefly, these indicate that 1. The use must not attempt to "supersede the objects" of the original but rather be educational or critical. 2. The less of the original that is used in relation to the whole the more likely that use is fair, though the importance of the specific portion is also considered (as the quoting the most important part may attempt to "supersede" the original). 3. The use must not infringe on the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work for instance by acting as a direct market substitute for the original work though not through criticism or parody.
The image Image:Longewala.jpg seems to me to attempt to be descriptive and educational with regards to the object of the original (i.e, attempt to desribe a.The impact of the Indian Air Force's operations on the Pakistani Armoured thrust in the Longewala Sector during the Indo-Pak War of 1971, b. That these actions were instrumental in preventing the same column in achieveing it's objectives, and c. That the force under consideration was soundly and resolutely defeated by the Indian Air Force as a paricipant in the Battle of Longewala. The image does not attempt to supercede the object of the image. It certainly does not infringe on the copyright owner's (Indian Air Force's) ability to exploit his original work by acting either as a direct market substitute for the original work or through criticism or parody.
I believe that qualifies as Fair Use, other opinions welcome.- ranam.
See counterexamples 4, 5. —xyzzyn 15:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment uploader is now asserting "with permission" on the individual description pages. Jkelly 03:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC). Tag removed[reply]

July 16

This is a digital image of an album cover. Jkelly 04:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This image is fine. Source is only needed to determine the copyright holder. It doesn't matter who scanned the album cover, since the copyright holder is the record company, and the {{albumcover}} tag is sufficient. —Bkell (talk) 08:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Iraqi News Agency photo. was a government controlled news agency under saddam. since his government was overthrown, i assumed copyright claims became null.Anthonymendoza 20:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If possible, show that the overthrow of the Iraqi government had any effect on copyright law. Thank you. Thuresson 01:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Another user, Jkelly, updated the licensing section of the photo. this user believes the photo is in the public domain based on some research. Anthonymendoza 13:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

July 18

July 19

And also Image:Jordan-scottie.jpg by the same user, marked as promo. Ytny 08:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 20

  • Image:Hwangbig.jpg It says: "Photo of Hwang from a 1970s movie. PD due to age.". PD due to being over 30 years old?! This is a bad justification of public domain. The image also lacks a source. Kevin_b_er 01:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Images uploaded by user Manzil are all marked as GFDL-self but all appear to be copyrighted images:
Image:Guti.jpg, Image:Xaura.image.jpg, Image:Aamna.jpg and , Image:Carlos.jpg Ytny 04:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Found a copy of Image:Xaura.image.jpg here. Image:Paresh Rawal2.jpg can be found here. Image:Aamna.jpg mentions where it's from, but the source page doesn't readily mention copyright status. Tabercil 04:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nomination Withdrawn. Uploader provided supporting documentation for free use of image. -Nv8200p talk 16:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Someone removed the notice, alleging the copyright from Iran is invalid. This is not true as per Jimbo himself: Wikipedia:Copyright_issues#Material_copyrighted_in_Iran
Someone again insisted the image it is in the public domain, when it is actually copyrighted by a news agency.--Cerejota 07:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See also Wikipedia:Copyrights#Iran and here. This ought to be justified by writing a fair use rationale. KWH 07:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, if we where to do that, then we would be able to write fair use rationales for AP, Reuters etc.ISNA is a news agency.--Cerejota 23:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe you disagree with me. I was stating that, at the least it should be tagged as {{fairusein}} and a rationale must be written to meet Wikipedia policy, not that it would automatically be acceptable. KWH 17:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • AP, Reuters, AFP, et cetera can bring an infringement lawsuit. Additionally, these world news agencies are neither run nor censored by any government. Comparing these reputable and independent news agencies to those in Iran is factually inaccurate. Aside from this, the Islamic Republic has shown so much respect to the international laws that the U.S. doesn't even dare to have an American representative there.--Patchouli 13:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is the original uploader. I had claimed fair use on the image and now I understand that it was probably not fair use. Someone else has claimed public domain, and it's definitely not public domain. roozbeh 08:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Roozbeh, in reality fair use is not even required in the U.S. for this picture and I urge you to thoroughly peruse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Ahmadinejad-and-Nasrallah.jpg. Jimbo has made a blanket statement advocating courtesy. He hasn't reviewed this specific case.--Patchouli 13:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the viewpoint that Iran's censorship and/or lack of respect for international laws means that Wikipedia should feel righteous about infringing on the intellectual property rights of Iranian people.
Please re-read the email from Jimbo, especially at "Simply saying '"Well, this is legal under US law, so let's do it' is not a very compelling argument." and "we should generally respect Iranian copyright law … the same (emph. added) as we do for other countries around the world."
This isn't a game where, if we find a really good loophole, we win a free image. It's about respecting rights. KWH 17:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I who was born in Iran firmly believe that you are disrespecting the rights of the Iranian people. To me — and many other who are against the mullah oligarchy — "Iran" and the "Islamic Republic of Iran" are very different.
The fact that the Islamic Republic violates copyrights of other nations and Shirin Ebadi's question of "Why were foreign media not allowed to attend at the hearing?" is extremely relevant. Please read about "Zahra Kazemi, a Montreal-based photojournalist, died in July 2003 after her skull was split after being arrested for taking photographs outside Tehran's Evin prison where many political dissidents are held." Go to Iran Focus's Reuters story]. Because foreign journalists do not have the opportunity to freely go to different Iranian locations and report, then the only way to record other important historical events is to use that government's. In this case, the Iranian mullahs think it is okay to channel money to Hezbollah rather than spend it on the Iranian people as Khomeini had promised. Here is another article: "In Iran’s streets, aid for an ally stirs resentment and anxieties".
Another example is execution for homosexuality which seems fine and dandy to Islamic officials.  ::

Okay, let us say that you delete pictures of historical value. Next, the Islamic Republic is overthrown tommorrow. Then in a few generations from now young Iranians might feel nostalgia about the Islamic regime because of a potential lack of incontrovertible evidence about the evils of this regime.

At the end of the day, you are doing a great disservice to the Iranian people if you delete noteworthy historical images. This is not a porn image or one intended to lampoon a particular person for no good reason.--Patchouli 20:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is neither a platform for counterrevolutionary propaganda nor a library. It is an encyclopedia and bound by copyright law, specifically the American version. While that does not currently necessarily entail protection of works created in Iran, we do have a quite clear guideline and rationale to respect Iranian copyright anyway and a third party’s political convenience is certainly no reason to review that (regardless of how much one wants to see some major changes in Tehran), and no amount of political rhetoric is going to constitute such a reason. —xyzzyn 21:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Preserving historical evidence isn't unencyclopedic. You're have a bias against facts and do not deem a picture as a necessary source of information. Your standards and interpretion of history is dubious. Dost thou dub record keeping "propanganda"?--Patchouli 22:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You are definitely entitled to record-keeping. Exhibition of such records for the purpose of supporting a political agendum, however, is propaganda. Semantics aside, material that is subject to copyright and for which no permission has been granted by the copyright holder to use said material freely does not belong on Wikipedia, except in cases of justified fair use. (By the way, please direct future comments regarding my standards and interpretation of history and related matters to /dev/null.) —xyzzyn 22:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia is a place whereby factual information is developed which explains the innumerable media files on it irrespective of whether it happens to bolster any regime or detract from its power. It resembles a library very much with a reference desk.

You are deftly espousing censorship in the name of removing propaganda.--Patchouli 22:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC) I went ahead and deleted it, along with a few other photos from IRNA. My reasoning is that we should not be using watermakred images at all on Wikipedia. Not only they are distracting for Wikipedia users and editors and readers, they are clear signs that they are copyright violations. Usually, when most of the watermarks are moved, that usually makes the image more a copyvio, since the source of the image is removed and the picture is damaged. Don't upload it again, or let alone any photos from IRNA. Jimbo has said to respect Iranian copyright, let's do it, regardless of whose politics is right. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have uploaded the image again and shall continue until Jimbo Wales comments on deleting Iranian photographs with clear historical value or some sort of arbitration committee of at least 8 administrators reviews the arguments from both sides and issues an injunction.--Patchouli
    • And I've restored the {{pui}} template. Whatever your opinions as to the validity of the Iranian regime there is simply no possible legal justification for licensing the image under GFDL if you didn't create it and don't have permission. --Daduzi talk 14:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Inasmuch as the image is in public domain in the US, the talk about legality is redundant. It is about respecting mullahs like Ali Khamenei.--Patchouli 16:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 21

  • Image:Watershed.gif Uploader claims fair use for this, but doesn't give a rationale. This is a work of the New York City government and thus copyrighted.[25] We have deleted this particular image, useful as it is (I should really find a way to do one for us), at least twice before. Daniel Case 00:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Raven-bill_reid.jpg Creator of the sculpture, Bill Reid died in 1998 and there is no evidence his sculpture is out of copyright, so the image of it would be a derivative work. Kevin_b_er 00:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep, it's not a two dimensional work so their is original artistry involved... so, it's not like a copyrighted painting. It's like an photograph of any modern building. gren グレン 02:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep As above. I took the photo, and its not a painting. And don't blame me for the tagging. August 2002 predates the concept of tagging. -- GWO
    • Relicense with {{statue}}. This came up last month and apparently images of other people's statues and sculptures do not have the same blanket fair use protection as images of buildings and clothing do. Daniel Case 00:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've already done this. As I said above, this images existence on wikipedia predates image tagging by about two years. Frankly, it'd be a lot more useful if the people who have appointed themselves deleters-in-chief of non-free images would do this obvious stuff themselves. Does it rely require a comment from the photographer to point out that this is self-evidently a photo of a statue... -- GWO
  • Series of noncommercial images on Sartorial hijab are listed here because they were uploaded way before the May 19, 2005 date for speediablity. Their source is here with "The materials on this page are written by Al-Muhajabah. You may copy, display, or distribute these materials for non-commercial purposes as long as you give me proper attribution as the author." as the license. I dispute any in this list as being anything but noncommercial due to the source licensing.

The above listed by me. Uploader is Grenavitar and has been notified. Kevin_b_er 02:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, all of those copyright tags are wrong. Some user changed to GFDL, free use and whatnot. That is a copyright violation. I didn't tag them properly apparently but they all belong under Template:Noncommercial and since they were uploaded before May 19, 2005. So, you are right that they are non-commercial... but, they were uploaded before non-commercial wasn't allowed. In any case, my solution would be to find free images and replace the ones that we can and slowly phase these bad images out. These were before the days of CC-BY-2.0 on Flickr where I can find plenty of good pictures. gren グレン 02:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Replacements:
gren グレン 02:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Stiked-out until I figure out proper procedure for old noncommercial only images. Kevin_b_er 03:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Have both been fixed now. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 11:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Tagged for speedy deletion as an exact duplicate of Image:Willselfauthor.jpg. —Bkell (talk) 05:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 22

It was taken in 1909, though, so unless we know that it remained unpublished until 1923 or later (which seems unlikely) it is safe to assume it qualifies for {{PD-US}} at least. The image is almost certainly in the public domain. —Bkell (talk) 08:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Those I striked were actually created by uploader. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 11:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 23
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