Talk:Carol Yager

As Far as I know, the Guinness Books do not officially recognize Yager as the world's fattest woman ever. I certainly would like to see some strong support of her weight of over 1400 lbs. ( which doctors measured and weighed her etc.) Otherwise she is not the fattest verifiable person, thus Minnoch deserves the title still.

The entry specifically cites Hurley Medical Center for this weight. That's authoritative unless you have some reason to question their ability to make such a measurement. Uucp 03:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Geo Metro?

The article currently states that her alleged max weight was as much as a '72 Geo Metro... I find this both unneccesary and degrading, and I don't think a note like that should stay in the article.

Your sense of compassion may be misplaced -- she weighed 1600 pounds, and you think the comparison to an automobile is degrading? Her girth is degrading; the comparison to the automobile, on the other hand, seems to me a useful reference point for those of us who have never met anybody so obese. Uucp 15:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Uucp on that one. This lady has a wikipedia article because of her weight, so I think it's quite acceptable to give the reader a point of comparison. If this article was about somebody not known for primarily for their weight/size, then of course a comparison to a passenger vehicle would not be appropriate (like comparing Star Jones to a Buick). Taco325i

Note purportedly from Yager's sister

The following was posted into the main article on July 17, 2006:

There is so much dis-information in the following article, I don't even know where to begin. If anyone is interested in the *truth* about my sister, feel free to email me via Wikipedia. Thank you.

--Terry Yager

Uucp 18:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Terry Yager, you have no idea how to edit --articles --you --are --not --supposed --to --actually --say --"edit" --in the article.

recycleyourpets 66:7, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

With a little help and guidance from another Wiki member, I now understand better the correct editing procedure, and I invite you all to view the latest, hopefuly better, and certainly more accurate article. Sorry I didn't fully familliarize myself with the editing guidelines before my previous knee-jerk posts.

--T

"first hand" material

As Wikipedia is expressly not for original publication, I think all of Terry Yager's material will have to be removed unless she can provide outside citations. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Original_research. I would like to see some discussion of this before taking action, though. Please ring in below. Uucp 22:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to completely clean up the article very shortly. Let me know what you think of it when I'm finished. K-UNIT 22:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The cleanup is finished. I think that's a big improvement. K-UNIT 22:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I think it's worse -- the phrasing may be better, but it is still dominated by original research, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. At least Terry Yager's revision made clear what the source was; the current revision hides it, which seems clearly worse to me. Uucp 23:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin,

I like the formatting, and I do appreciate your assistance, but I have gone back and re-edited some of your edits which contained factual errors, such as the thing about 17 firemen, clearly an exaggeration, or the "special" ambulance. It actually took 6 - 8 firemen to load her into a standard ambulance, although she did have to ride on the floor because she couldn't fit on a gurney. I also completely deleted the part about "boyfriend Max", because the whole paragraph had too many errors to be corrected. He didn't deliver an "emotional blow", I had that priveledge myself, and when I told her that he had married her friend the day before, she laughed out loud. (She was finally beginning to beleive that her "memory" of thier 20-year love afair was false, and she was happy to be rid of him). And, BTW, while she is one of the White girls, her name isn't Joana, and she was never Carol's "best friend". (Her closest friends were Robin S. and the 'two Barbs', who were her constant companions throughout most of her adult life). Carol also didn't die that same night, she just went to sleep peacefully, and lapsed into a coma in her sleep. She was moved from the nursing home back to the hospital that night, and died about 48 hours later. As for the 'original research' issue, I'd hoped to have that cleared up, but apparently it is still an issue with some readers. Oh, and one more point, I am a brother, not a sister.

--T

The original version didn't cite any sources either. And it's very clear that this is a much more accurate revision than how it stood before. Unless anyone can find any credible, third-party documentation, this is definately the most accurate this article has been so far. Terry Yager I consider to be more an "expert" on Carol Yager (because this is about a person, after all, not a topic) and not a source of "original reserch" in the sense of what that Wikipedia policy on that was meant for. K-UNIT 00:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Carol would have loved this line:

"While a great many of her friends were hard-core outlaw bikers, Carol herself never actually rode one." (Rode what?)...

Save a Hawg...Ride a Biker!

--T

Wrong. The original article had two citations and one outside link to corroborating information. Uucp 01:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While there are many "sources" of mis-information, dis-information, exagerations, confabulations, lies, damned lies, and statistics, which can be cited, just because a 'fact' has been published doesn't make it true. I'd rather share my first-hand knowledge than to cite this webpage, that magazine, or the other TV show, which have published incorrect information.

--T

This discussion makes me even more convinced that all the "Terry Yager" material should be removed. We have no proof of who this person is and, if "Terry Yager" could prove the personal connection, the material *still* shouldn't be here. If any editor wants to publicize his or her personal knowledge of the subject, he or she should create a personal webpage, not edit articles here. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Original_research ; this page is now significantly in violation of the intent and policies of Wikipedia. Uucp 01:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry...how exactly would you like me to "prove" my identity, and even if I were to do so to your satisfaction, that still doesn't change the fact that my knowledge is still 'first-hand', and only verifiable through myself or Carol's daughter. When Carol died, our mother was still considered the 'next of kin', and therefore, the only person allowed to request her medical records (since Heather was still a minor). By the time my mother died, the records had already been destroyed by the hospital, who have a policy to only maintain records of deceased paitents for seven years, therefore, there is no other source of factual information other than the memories of her nearest relatives.

--T

I suggest that we revert this page to a state before you began adding material, and that you create your own website, outside of wikipedia. On that page, you can post your memories of your sister, discussion of errors in the popular press, and anything else you choose to include. I would suggest that, in order to convince readers that you are actually related to Ms. Yager, you include things like photographs that have not already been printed in magazine articles about her. Mention the web address to your personal page on this discussion page, and editors who are more removed from the situation will edit her page accordingly. The edits will probably take the form of "she was reported in the press to have peaked at something near 1600 pounds, though her brother says she never got much higher than 1400," etc. The page will not probably not reflect every change you would make yourself, but that is the nature of wikipedia.

Please understand that none of us have any personal feelings on this subject; we don't dislike you or have any agenda with regard to your sister's story. We are just trying to make an encyclopedia article of high quality.

Which reminds me, if you took and still own copyright to any photos of your sister, would you upload them to wikipedia so we can include one in her article? Uucp 02:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming I could dig up any previously unpublished photos, how would that prove anything? If your idea of 'popular press' includes such 'authoritative sources' as supermarket tabloids, freakshow webpages, and the allmighty and infallable Jerry Springer Show, then how can I expect to compete against such overwhelming evidence, armed only with mere truth? If you choose to believe that a woman equal in size & weight to an automobile can have sex on a moving motorcycle, even though it requires 17 fire fighters to load her into a specially built ambulance, presumably because a 'normal' one-ton cube van ambulance cannot accomdomate her bulk, then I might as well just have Elvis land his UFO in your back yard and drop off a Sasquatch or two, in the hope that they might convince you. Meanwhile, I have to agree with Mr. Unit, that the article should be allowed to remain as written until someone else can come up with conclusive proof otherwise.

--T

Terry, your edits violate wikipedia policy and must be removed. If we need to get administrators in here to arbitrate to convince you, I will do so; the case is black and white. I've made a suggestion about how you may share your story with the world, and thus indirectly influence what is written here. You are free to take that suggestion or leave it. I will make the reversion now. Uucp 10:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]