Talk:Suicide methods

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Urban Legend

I removed the following from the section about hanging:

In Poland, there is an urban legend which says, that in 1970's a man, who escaped from psychiatry clinic jumped from Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw, but with a noose made of piano string. It was a decapitation, not exactly hanging.

Disregarding for a moment the poor grammatical structure of the piece, I'm pretty sure that the propogation of urban legends about suicide, especially ones uncited and unsubstantiated, doesn't constitute encyclopedic content anyway. While it could (arguably) belong in the article on urban legends, it doesn't belong here.

--65.102.204.191 13:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

This is getting a bit heavy...

This article seems like a manual. I'm not debating whether the article should exist or not, it's just that there's a prevalence of 'tips' throughout the article - e.g: "...Note that a violent seizure might occur causing unexpected disturbance." Now, to me, that seems like a bit of advice. I'm not sure what to do. Do I edit these out? Do I leave them in as it contributes to the mass hub of knowledge that is Wikipedia? 'kinell. --Ood 18:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Meh, I'd just leave it, though some of the stuff may need rewording or some trimming.Voice-of-All 18:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I really don't get why this is needed information or why it wasn’t deleted on the two times deletion was proposed. What knowledge is gained by having a list of how to kill yourself and how is it in anyway useful? Redd Dragon ^{talk Contributions} 19:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No information on Wikipedia is needed. Wikipedia entire isn't needed (the world was doing fine before it had Wikipedia, though I assume most of us would like to believe it's at least slightly better off with Wikipedia here). That's probably not a useful question to ask.

If you're asking why anybody could be interested in what people do, exactly, to kill themselves: you'd have to ask sociologists and psychologists, I'd wager. Just because the subject is uncomfortable to most people doesn't mean the information itself has no use. You're probably looking at this article the wrong way as a list of suggested methods of suicide, rather than a list of documented ways people have committed suicide. We'd do our readers a disservice by handwaving the issue or consciously minimizing exposure.

I do agree that if the article veers off into offering "helpful" tidbits about how to make the method most likely to succeed, it should be edited. This is not (just) because we're talking suicide methods, but because Wikipedia isn't a how-to guide in the first place. "Touchy" articles like this just deserve extra attention. JRM · Talk 20:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

There is an inaccuracy of content here. "Upwas" by "Hindus" and "Jains" may have a lot of reasons that we may or may not agree with but suicide, or "causing death" is absolutely certainly not one of them. Upwas is a form of penance and a recommended way of purifying ones soul. Vaibhav Garg 05:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The person who was described as being articulate typing again (the one who writes essays)

It is great to think there are people out there who are sympathetic, and possibly even willing to help with folk who are suicidal. Unfortunately, there seems to be an overwhelming ignorant majority - i first contributed to this discussion to put another view, to try to give an idea of how life can feel to someone on the edge. It looks like the vast majority of people willing to contribute to this discussion are the lucky ones - the ones who don't live in constant fear/vulnerability/depression, which is pretty much as i stated in my first post.

Those people who hold really strong beliefs about what you should and shouldn't do also seem to be the ones with no experience of how bleak things can get - and i pray that you never do, i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

The one thing i will say, though, is that all these high and mighty (and inexperienced) rantings will, at best, be laughed at. I myself am saddened by the closed mindedness of these people's attitudes - at the very least it proves that my other postings weren't worth the time or effort, and just reinforces my dislike of being alive and part of the human race. Try using some sympathy instead of jumping up and down raving from your soapboxes - talk to us, join the samaritans, help us - if you dare.

Statistics?

Is there more than the fire arm statistics? How each method is often attempted and how sucsessful it would be. Being informative would be helpful to have sucsess rate of each method.--Jerluvsthecubs 09:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Too heavy

I think that this page should be deleted or edited in such a way as to not be so specific? Do we really need a "How-to" on suicide? I think not. Enough people have problems with such things and don't need to come across it here. Someone might be suicidal and also be surfing the web. They might look up suicide on Wikipedia and find this list of descriptions. I think that this article should be deleted. /\/octe 01:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Drinking?

I'm curious: is it possible to kill oneself reliably by drinking excessive alcohol? I hear a lot about alcohol-related deaths, and surely it is readily available in enormous quantities.

If it's methanol or ethylene glycol (antifreeze), easily.

For Ethanol(beverage/drinking alcohol), it is hard to say because of the chance of vomiting and the much higher lethal dose. -User: Nightvid