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August 6

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Icy moons

Category:Icy moons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

NOTE: This was previously part of a mass nomination for renames by user:Lady Aleena which failed.

I am renominating as an individual category to get a proper read on this particular category, as the last nomination was a delete suggestion embedded in a mass rename. 70.51.9.213 05:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Non-English plurals


Strong Oppose -- This is just plain silly. The preferred plural for cactus is cacti and the only plural for codex is codices according to Dictionary.com. The rest follow the same pattern. Pardon me, Mr Pepper, but you are flat-out wrong. Madman 05:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Female poker players

Category:Female poker players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Delete, "Whenever possible, categories should not be gendered." All poker players are currently categorized by nationality. There isn't a need for a parallel female's only category, and especially for subcategorizion of the females by nationality. 2005 01:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete per nom. Essexmutant 01:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose How is a category for female poker players any different than Category:Women composers for just one example? And who suggested subcategorizing by sex and nationality? Otto4711 01:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • What's the benefit though? There is minimal (if any) categorization value here, particularly as poker is a game that women can compete at on the same level as men. Essexmutant 02:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • The same exact benefit as any other categorization of poker players, quick and easy reference. Russians can compete at poker on the same level as Koreans or Costa Ricans or Americans but those categorizations, which, considering the number of players with changes in citizenship/residence, are more arbitary than categorizing by sex, are not being challenged. Otto4711 02:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Why are you ignoring the Wikipolicy "Whenever possible, categories should not be gendered"? Essexmutant 02:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'm not ignoring anything. If you'll note, it wasn't linked by the first person to mention it. I also note that the policy doesn't prohibit creating sex-specific categories and it remains my opinion after reading the policy that "female poker players," given their historic under-representation in poker, the fact that the WSOP and WPT maintain ladies'-only events etc. are of sufficient encyclopedic interest to justify the category. Otto4711 03:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • Such a reason would never be relevant to everyone in it, as there are numerous female poker players who refuse to play such events as they see it as setting the scales back against them. Would a "Pensioners who play poker" category be valid just because there's a Senior's event at the World Series be relevant? No. Essexmutant 03:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • National categorization criteria does not have Wikipolicy against it. Gender categorization does. Essexmutant 03:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • In addition to the ladies' only events, I also mentioned the historical under-representation of women in poker. And while I wouldn't bother making a "pensioners who play poker" category there are categories for people born in certain decades, entertainers who died in their 80s, and any number of other age-based categories. And you do understand that the wikipolicy is not a ban, right? If there's legitimate encyclopedic value in a sex-based category, it's fine. There's as much if not more encyclopedic value in a categorization of female players as there is in categorizing players based on being Japanese or Canadian. Otto4711 03:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Forget about nationalities. The CFD was raised because of the Wikipolicy. If you want to debate the nationalities used to split Category:Poker players then that's a separate discussion, although it is clearly stated at the following link that categorizing by nationality is permitted ("Subcategories by country are permitted.") Have a look at Special subcategories. Here it says that if you want to categorize by gender then you must be able to write a substantial and encyclopedic head article (not just a list) for the category — if this cannot be done, then the category is not valid. If you want to prove that the category is valid, I invite you to write a substantial and encyclopedic head article for Women in Poker prior to using this category. In addition, I suggest you cite numerous examples within that article of places that identify the relevance of women in poker. As for whether there's a ban on gender-related categories or not, it is an agreed policy to not use gender-related categories unless you can prove the value of the category by the above means. So if you choose to break the policy then you are, as I said above, ignoring it. Essexmutant 04:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • First off, I was unaware of the policy before I created the category. Secondly, I understand that categorization by nationality is permitted. At no time did I suggest that it wasn't; it was offered as an example of another form of categorization within poker that rather negates your claim that being able to compete on equal footing is a reason not to have the category. Third, is there some reason you feel the need to try to paint this in the worst possible light? "Break the policy" and "ignoring the policy" are both extremely confrontational ways of putting it. Not to mention being pretty patently false. It is not against the rules of Wikipedia to categorize by sex. There are categories for, among undoubtedly many others, women in physics, women in chemistry, women aviators, women composers and so on, so the idea that creating a women in poker category is some egregious breach is just untrue. As for writing an article on women in poker, I have no doubt that given time to do some basic research I could. Note that the policy doesn't require that such an article be written, only that such an article is possible. Are you suggesting that an article on women in poker is not possible? Finally, since you've made the same comment twice, your allegation that women players refuse to play ladies-only events in any significant number (I've only heard one, Annie Duke, state it outright) is irrelevant. Otto4711 04:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The cited policy specifically mentions cases where there is encyclopedic benefit for the categorization (e.g. female heads of state). In poker publications, women are often discussed as a group. The World Series of Poker has a women's only event. I think this category is sufficiently encyclopedic. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 03:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:IND Fulton Line stations

Category:IND Fulton Line stations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)


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