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RE: Constituency CfD stuff

Sorry it took me a while to get back, ive not really been very active on wikipedia for the last few months ( only really started properly editing again today). Ive had a read through the discussion and cant honestly come to a strong opinion on what should be done. I can understand the arguments put forward by the two sides and think both have their merits but i really dont feel either is overwhelmingly a greater option than the other so i cant honsetly vote in favour of either. regards, siarach 10:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bioproject

I see what you're doing in the bio project. Should we use the Medieval Scotland project page to list and organize characters related to medieval Scotland in order of importance? BTW, you might like to know of the existence of Template:Scotland-hist-stub Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 12:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, started it off: Wikipedia:WikiProject Medieval Scotland/BioProject. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 12:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on CFD

Hi Mais, thanks for the reminder. I saw the nomination had beeen withdrawn last week so didn't do anything. I've now commented and think this is a good example where dual categorisation makes sense, and is also a good compromise. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 16:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I'll take the reference to a "heavyweight" Wikipedian as a compliment, not a reference to my sadly expanding waistline :-), although I have never really regarded myself in such lofty terms around here. We all go about our business doing what we do for the best of the project, but thanks anyway. As for numpties and daft brushes, well from what I've seen that's way off the mark. "Stubborn bugger" might be closer, but the dual cat agreement you struck with BrownHairedGirl was an excellent compromise IMO, and may properly blow that particular description out of the water now. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 17:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I tried to read the discussion but, to be honest, I think any vote of mine would be based on a rushed analysis of the situation and I'd rather not vote on something so important without clearly having an understanding of the issue , and an orientation towards one of the "sides." Sorry. Nach0king 18:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Long term abuse#Banned User:Irate

I feel your comments here were disingenuous to the historic counties cause. Far from promoting our "agenda", all we seek is for Wikipedia to reflect a NPOV that aknowledges the reality of the historic counties as separate entities from local government, as stated by Her Majesty's Government and "County Councils" themselves on several occasions. As a Scot, why do you have any interest in county boundaries south of the border anyway? In Scotland I believe you have the fortunate situation, as in Northern Ireland, whereby Counties and local government divisions are widely regarded as separate entities. How would you feel if people tried to tell you that "Scottish Borders" was a county? Yorkshire Phoenix (talk • contribs) 08:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

I'm trying to stay out of the issue at the moment. I note this is the section of policy that is relevant in this case : "views that are held by a tiny minority should not be represented except in articles devoted to those views" - for example, we wouldn't mention the fact that some people believe dinosaur bones were created by god in 4000 BC on every article about a dinosaur fossil. Articles about geography should be about geography: geographic revisionism movements can be perfectly well covered in articles about geographic revisionism movements.

Have you seen Template:Yorkshire and Template:Lancashire? Morwen - Talk 09:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that'd be original research ;) It is a form of historical revisionism though, as they have come along after the fact and retroactively invented new entities : everyone back in 1889 was perfectly clear that the County of London was a proper, first-class county : contemporary sources show this quite well.
The term administrative county appears to have only invented as a way of saying for example "administrative county of Lancaster": "Lancashire excluding all the county boroughs", contrasting with the term "county of Lancaster" which meant "Lancashire including all the county boroughs, including the southern part of Warrington and suchforth". In Scotland, where this wasn't needed, the terminology wasn't adopted.
Later, in the 1960s or 1970s, groups were set up by people resenting the Local Government Act 1972 etc, reacting against reform in their area, and therefore promoting the idea of "traditional counties", which they soon found had been tampered with over the preceding years. So they then did research and synthesised, then, a unified set of "traditional" counties with an arbritrary cut-off point differing on whom you speak to. I'd be very surprised if the idea of a still-existing set of N traditional counties, ignoring any boundary changes since the 19th century, predates 1965 (can we find any statements that "Caversham is really in Oxfordshire" before then, for example?) And of course governments were giving statements on the issue, once it had arisen: it's a quick way to shut people up: how can legislation affect the existence of a supposed set of "traditional counties" when the idea of "traditional counties" was invented in the 1960s/1970s by some activists? The statements, when closely examined, are all very carefully worded, but almost non-sequiturs once you realise this.
Of course none of this is documented (for entirely sensible reasons: the youth of the movement would rather undermine their argument of continuity) Morwen - Talk 10:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RSPCA reversion 25th June - response please

Hello again - I find it perturbing that you have not replied to my messages. I have posted another message on Talk:Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. I would appreciate a response, either on that page or on my own talk page User talk:Ballista. Thanks - Ballista 09:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for rapid response. See [[1]] and look at your 25th June edit. I am asking why such a total reversion occurred, without discussion. Previous messages can be found in your User talk:Mais oui!/Archive8, headed 'reversion' (item No 28). - Ballista 10:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK thanks - please go to the RSPCA discussion page again, to see some references, although I didn't consider them necessary at the time, as the potential for conflict of interest, in each case, was painfully clear without. - Ballista 10:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC) PS sorry, obviously omitted to hit 'save page' button & I lost them, in my haste to respond to new message. I'll go back and rework it. Please allow 5 mins - Ballista 10:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wekepedians

Just FYI:

You'd be best to stay well clear, just leave Mallimak to continue digging their own hole. /wangi 08:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Ouch

This should probably be redacted. Even if you're 100% correct, the tone is just wrong, and doesn't make you look too good. As you don't know me from a bar of soap, I will take it not amiss if you ignore this unasked for advice. - brenneman {L} 08:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

redact = "frame: formulate in a particular style or language; "I wouldn't put it that way"; "She cast her request in very polite language".
On a scale of 1 to 10, my diplomacy skills are about 2. I am very, very pissed off, and quite frankly I have not got the skills to say what I want to say in flowery language. Given this, I have just deleted the whole damn thing. If she is ever going to apologise, then she will do it anyway, without any flowery request for one from me. --Mais oui! 08:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there is something to be said for knowing when to just erase something you've said. I've only very recently progressed from that skill to knowing when not to say it in the first place. - brenneman {L} 08:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You are clearly higher up The Ten Bhumi than my good self. I may, one day, reach that state of blissful being where I can just keep my mouth shut. Don't hold your breath. --Mais oui! 08:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Chomp !!

This might keep you from saying the wrong thing at the wrong time :-) BTW, I removed you from Category:British female MPs and commented on the whole shebang. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 09:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chomp, chomp, thanks for the cookie, although it will destroy my lovely figure. Wow, for a few hours there I had managed to both switch gender and get elected to the Westminster parliament. How thrilling. --Mais oui! 08:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Irate

There is no way in the world that User:Irate should be unblocked. He was banned permanently by Jimbo Wales himself, for his bad attitude and his refusal to follow the rules. This was nothing to do with his edits to county articles: it happened before he ever went near them. Read this for to be enlightened (this was one of his sockpuppets). --RFBailey 08:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmm... OK. I did not know the back-story. It was just a suggestion, but clearly not a very good one. --Mais oui! 08:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Wallace

Oh, sorry for disrupting this. I just edited the way I felt was right. I won't remove it then, although I don't see why Henry II should go, as I already cut the list. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 12:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, sorry again. I don't Cromwell should be there either. Look how many English rulers are already there. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 12:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When it comes to political leaders, obviously English leaders will top because England has always been stronger and more able to project power and influence on a wider stage. I'm trying to think of a candidate, but it's tough; maybe James I of England? Sorry, that's the best I can do ATM; I'll give it a thought. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 13:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What about Columba? Founder of Iona (light of western Europe), converter of the northern Picts, true apostle of Scotland, etc? If we got the Scottish and Irish users behind him, then Columba could be possible. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 09:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather see less euroamerocentrism, i.e. more variety on the list. Where are Chandragupta Maurya, the First Emperor, the Hongwu Emperor and Suleiman the Magnificent I ask myself ? The usual pathetic effort I'm sorry to say. I'm off to be bold ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stupid categorisation ! Well, Hongwu I need to add. Bastards ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In 20 years time the boot will be on the other foot, so we may as well get used to a greater emphasis on Asian figures. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Scotland

I'd be up for that. --Guinnog 20:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Colorado Springs Cricket Club

Thanks for creating this stub.

I'm an active member of this club and would be happy to fill in the details.

Abhay Natu

Scotland

Eh, I woke up half an hour ago to a glowing article about How Wonderful, The Fringe Is Back!, so I'm just being cranky and reactionary ;-) Feel free to revert my changes, I won't fight over them; just a gut feeling stylistically that it didn't improve anything. Shimgray | talk | 13:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for Allan Wilson (MSP)

I put the reference you ask for on my talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Allan_Wilson_MSP.

All the gory details are there, (I tend to be a bit "wordy" at times, sorry about that)

After having a look at that which should verify the "football" issue, can we say, simply;

He is married, has two sons, and lives in Kilbirnie. In his free time he is a keen footballer and was appointed chairman of the Kilbirnie Community Football Club committee by the Scottish Football Association.

We would be quite happy with that and could move on to adding "meat" to the article (should we dare).

On that note, see you have added some links, that is great. There is one more that can be added to complete the linking process. (sorry, can't do it myself, rules you know, rules rules rules, ba humbug)

On the line In October 2004 he was appointed Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning. There is a link to an article for "Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Minister_for_Enterprise_and_Lifelong_Learning

By the way, on a scale of 1 to 10, my diplomacy skill is about 1, welcome to the club. I get pissed off as well though not at you. It is comforting to know I am not alone. I like your style. (fancy a job in the Parliament?)

Allan Wilson MSP 14:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

University of Edinburgh

Why have you restored the massive duplication of the history section?– Smyth\talk 16:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And what in the manual of style mandates that awkward first sentence for the alumni article? – Smyth\talk 16:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Sorry

I wouldn't consider myself a newbie as such (4000+ edits), I've just never nominated anything for deletion before (least of all a category). No hard feelings though. -- Steel 17:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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