User talk:RHaworth/Archive to 2006 September

wikify!
I am sick and fed up with people who leave a message here about an article and fail to provide a wikilink to the article. How do you expect me to read the article if you don't link to it?
I reserve the right to ignore any message which does not provide links where appropriate or has not been signed with ~~~~. Even if the article has been deleted, you should still link to it.
And if that sounds like a grumpy old man, it's because I am ...

disamb Stanton Drew

Thanks for your help with the disambiguation pages for Stanton Drew, I hadn't tried splitting a page before & tried to follow the lead of Avebury & Avebury, Wiltshire but your solution is better - I will just have to go & change all the links to Stanton Drew now... — Rod ^talk 17:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh dear - now I will have to do the same to Avebury! Using ", Wiltshire" to distinguish the two subjects is totally arbitrary. -- RHaworth 17:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Hi, I dare say you have long forgotten it now but I insulted your (actually rather funny) user photo back in January on Talk:Tam o' Shanter (Burns poem). It was my first real article and I was offended by something you had said to me (I was trying my best and I was only new!), but obviously I now regret it and wanted to apologise, albeit so long after the event. --Guinnog 20:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I had certainly forgotten about it, but apology gladly accepted. -- RHaworth 07:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry I have mistaken my readings. I thought wikipedia deleted my Wiki-Project my mistake. And im curios how do you request for wikipedia administrator? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Kings Of Cleverness (talk • contribs)

Requests for adminship are made at requests for adminship but if you are thinking of applying, I suggest that: a) you learn to sign comments on talk pages with ~~~~ and b) you get a few hundred (Main) namespace edits under your belt. -- RHaworth 07:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your attention to the YaR GnitS situation re: Gay ICP etc. I have logged a full complaint against him at WP:ANI: [1] Feel free to add any details I've overlooked, and thanks again. Kasreyn 07:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Help with disambiguation (again)

After your help with disambiguation pages for Stanton Drew, could I ask for some more help as I can't get my head around correctly creating disam pages. I have done a stub for Draycott Sleights (an SSSI in Somerset) and was going to do an article on Draycott (village in Somserset) but found an article about Draycott railway station (in Derbyshire) with a red link to Draycott and a red link to Draycott in the Clay on the List of civil parishes in Staffordshire, and a red link (named Draycott) to Draycott, Gloucestershire on List of places in Gloucestershire. I am very confused about the best way to write the article about Draycott (Somerset) without the others around the country linking to it. Can you point me to a (simple) explanation or what to do or help me out here? — Rod ^talk 14:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

This message popped up while I was in the midst of sorting Avebury! Draycott is dead easy: create Draycott, Somerset ! I will check for anything that need tidying. -- RHaworth 14:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the redirect

Thanks for the redirect on Lincolnshire Score. I was cleaning up the numbers pages and had no idea what it was about. I inserted the proper link (Yan Tan Tethera) into 20 (number). Yoninah 16:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Essay Non-notability

Hi, not to be insulting, but you could have taken the time to look at the history and the discussion pages for WP:NNOT. I just moved the material yesterday, and theres consensus to move it to Essay:Non-Notability. Does it really have to be in either namespace you suggested? I'm going to move it back to the E:NNOT page, but you're very welcome to discuss the ridiculousness of a new namespace there. Fresheneesz 23:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, was the page ever put up for speedy deletion? Cause if it was that was damn fast. Fresheneesz 23:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, I noticed you changed my comment. Would you kindly not do that in the future? Fresheneesz 23:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply:

What comment did I change? Where is the consensus for the new title?
I am sure you would agree that the article does not belong in the (Main) namespace. The title Essay:Non-notability is in the (Main) namespace. Creation of a new namespace is a matter of changes to the setup parameters of the MediaWiki software, will only be done after careful discussion and must be done by a bureaucrat or developer. Similarly, there is no precedent for a redirect like E:NNOT. But I am perfectly willing to let you have User:Fresheneesz/Non-notability. -- RHaworth 00:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess it would be in the main namespace, but only in title. Obviously noone would think that its an actual topic. Whats wrong with having it in the main namespace as long as it looks like another namespace? Fresheneesz 02:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Special:search would think that it was an actual topic - that is sufficient reason. -- RHaworth 04:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Re R Haworth

Hi my name is the same as yours but i dont have a beard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by R Haworth (talk • contribs)

No. You are probably far too young. -- RHaworth 04:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked. --Pilotguy^{(roger that)} 01:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[The above edit was followed by page blanking by user:Arehoarworth.]

Thanks to all three of you who fixed recent vandalism. -- RHaworth 04:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the help cleaning up subpages on my userpage. I'll be following the examples now. Best, Sam 12:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Goslar History

Hi there:

I found that the Goslar history entry has been removed. Given that Edinburgh has a seperate history site, and Goslar as Edinburgh holds UNESCO world heritage status it would be wishful, if Goslar too had a seperate history site too.

There have been a lot of evil crimes committed by the Nazis in this town during the second world war and this was only one facette of the history. So do we wish to blank out any historical facts such as slave labour? The history page would have gone much further,but I do not appreciate it very much if someone removes my work.

Cheers mate, merleauponty@supereva.it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.75.50.230 (talk • contribs)

Recommendations:

Get yourself a user ID, log in before editing, sign talk page edits with ~~~~, don't publish your e-mail address
do not talk of removal - I have not removed anything - it is still there in the history
read my edit where I made two alternative suggestions, neither of which involved suppressing your contribution.

-- RHaworth 10:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Roger

You still here?

CSD

You removed a CSD tag without explanation as a minor edit, which I have reverted. Tyrenius 10:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Before I unspeedied surname maps, I had just removed speedy tags from World Network of Biosphere Reserves and Jewish fundamentalism. All three tags had been placed by user:Litclass. The tags seemed to be so misguided, not to say malicious, that when I saw the third, I did not even feel that an edit summary was needed. -- RHaworth 10:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

He gives reasons. It seems more like a case of inexperience. Anyway, his talk page has 3 messages about it now. But other editors also need to know what's going on from edit summaries. Tyrenius 10:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Guardian

Sorry for the inconvenience I did not know that. Geo. 19:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

SD

Nice job on all the speedy deletions (I looked at the deletion log, and you almost totally fill the first page!) By the way, could you have a look at this page and see if it is actually a CSD, like someone has suggested? Cheers, Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 10:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure - classic {{nn-band}}. -- RHaworth 11:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

deleted pages

Hi RHaworth. I'm wondering--are we supposed to subst: {{deletedpage}} now? --Fang Aili ^talk 13:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone has been putting a "long comment" after deletedpage tags (I can't find an example off hand) so that they do not appear in the short articles list. So I used subst to save them the bother. I have not seen it stated as policy. I don't think it important whether you subst or not. -- RHaworth 13:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. --Fang Aili ^talk 14:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

images

Moved to User talk:Wandalstouring

pilum is already under:

This image is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike License v. 2.5: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/

pilum is a Roman spear which became obsolete two millennia before the Creative Commons was invented. -- RHaworth 08:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It is a re-enactment pilum. I do absolutely not appreciate to have my email adress published. Wandalstouring 08:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

What thing is a re-enactment pilum. And where have I published your e-mail address? -- RHaworth 08:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Lonsdale

Howcome you keep deleting the Official_Lonsdale_College_Logo.jpg Earlier today I updated it to the latest reworking of it by the Lonsdale College and JCR so that people who invariably pinch it off there by right clicking and saving it have the latest and most up-to-date version of it. Surely Wikipedia too would like to have information kept relevant and up-to-date? I realise the first one might have been quite large, so fair enough. But the second one was fine by all accounts, and was suject to the same copyright licencing as the image it originally replaced. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you are doing this? As it's quite frustrating. Michaelliffen ~~02:15~~ 14:15 BST, 4 August 2006

I suggest you actually look at and read the image description - you will need to scroll the screen to see it all. If someone else has not already deleted the image, you will see the text from template:permission from license selector. Do you see the words "speedy deletion"? Now since you are presumably at a student at Lonsdale College and therefore reasonably intelligent, since you had left a message about "speedy deletion", I assumed that you meant it!

OK, cut the sarcasm Haworth. Michael, remove the existing licence and replace with an acceptable one from Wikipedia:Image copyright tags - how about {{Univ-logo}}? -- RHaworth 13:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. -- Michaelliffen 15:14, 4 August 2006

Roitr

You created two redirects (1 2), citing that 'redirect may prevent its recreation'. Unfortunately, this doesn't prevent the vandal from redirecting to his POV fork instead or even replacing the redirect with POV fork, and even if it's fully protected, he will just create another slightly reworded article - see Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/Roitr#Military_ranks for examples. --Dmitry _{(talk •contibs )} 20:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for pointing that out... that was the first time I ran across him. I do a bit of newpage patrolling, so I'll keep an eye out. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 01:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Dmitry, do what you think fit. I am really at a loss as to the best way to deal with this vandal. -- RHaworth 05:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Redperson

Re: User:Backtothewoods and Russell Redman.

I don't think the original article was an autobiography,User:Backtothewoods and Russell Redman since it was written in a rather unsophisticated way, which strongl suggests that User:Backtothewoods and Russell Redman are two different people. I located a page about Russell Redman at the official National Research Council of Canada web site and expanded the article using that as a basis (and I also looked him up in the Canadian federal government telephone directory, since the National Research Council of Canada is part of the Canadian federal government.

I think that having a Ph.D. in astronomy and pursuing interesting research makes Russell Redman notable, but you're probably right when you say that an article in the main namespace on him "is likely to be nominated for deletion".

I find myself frustrated, though -- and this is no criticism of you -- when I run across an interesting topic and realize that there's no point writing about it because the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion is likely to be to delete the article, even though it arguably meets notability criteria. *1*

I'm not asking you to do anything, really. I suppose I should never have bothered to do anything to the Russell Redman article in the first place. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 06:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I did actually notice that you had done more to the article than Backtothewoods so it no longer fails WP:AUTO (if it ever did).

*1* Having interesting things you want to write about sounds like a valid reason for starting a blog - unlike many people who use them just to chatter. Have you got a blog? -- RHaworth 06:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

photo

You look like a bear who just came out of the snow. Don't eat me! Jay Gatsby^(talk) 07:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Uploading images and Ulcerative colitis

Image:Chronic_Ulcerative_Colitis_1.jpg

It looks like Image:Floride Coltis ulcerosa.jpg was erased or moved. I can't tell which... 'cause the history on images doesn't work the same way as on regular WP pages.

The reason I made it as it is -- 'cause the Upload file page doesn't have a Public domain, from other Wikipedia. The closest thing they have to public domain is PD self made. I didn't make the image myself-- so that isn't right either.

If you could explain to me how I should add a picture as such-- I'd much appreciate it.

Beyond that, if you could explain the relationship between wikicommons and the wikipedias-- in terms of file-linkage I'd appreciate it.

In an ideal world... I'd have moved the image to the Wikicommons-- so it is available on the German and English Wikipedia. This, however, does not seem to be easy to do; it would require an account on Wikicommons and probably a specialized script... and does not seem to be encouraged.

Personally, I don't understand why the wikipedias (English, German etc.) have to split their image databases-- seems this was a design decision that was made a while back. If the image databases were linked-- the different languages could feed off one another to greater degree. *1* Nephron T|C 18:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Why are you asking me this? Image:Chronic_Ulcerative_Colitis_1.jpg provides all the answers! The image actually exists at commons:Image:Chronic_Ulcerative_Colitis_1.jpg but if you treat it as though it were uploaded to the English Wiki, you will see it, as per the link above. If you treat it as though it were uploaded to the German Wiki, you will see it: de:Bild:Floride Coltis ulcerosa.jpg. If you treat it as though it were uploaded to the Cymraeg Wiki, you will see it: cy:Delwedd:Chronic Ulcerative Colitis 1.jpg!

*1* The image databases are linked - it's called the Commons! Keeping images on individual language wikis is the aberration (though I believe it is needed for "fair use" images).

Create an account on the Commons. Make sure you are looking at the largest version of the image. In this case, I think /media/wikipedia/de/2/22/Floride_Coltis_ulcerosa.jpg is the largest. Save the image to your machine (was this the difficult trick you were missing?)! Upload it to the Commons. In the image description put {{pd-author|J. Guntau}} and state where you got it with links to de:Bild:Floride Coltis ulcerosa.jpg and de:Benutzer:J. Guntau. (As a courtesy, leave a note at de:Benutzer Diskussion:J. Guntau saying what you have done.)

It would have been easier for me to do all this for you than to tell you how to do it! But this way you will learn better. -- RHaworth 18:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Page move

Regarding move of Susan glenn lampe to Susan Glenn Lampe, it seems kind of counterproductive to Move an article that's been tagged for CSD. Once the article gets speedily deleted, there's a leftover orphaned redirect page that also needs to be deleted. More housekeeping needed, when CSD's usually way backed up, anyway. Might be better to wait until you see if it's going to be kept. Fan-1967 19:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Orkney Antiquarian Society

Kindly point to me the sentence or clause in this article which makes the slightest assertion of notability or importance. No, an edit summary doesn't count. --Calton | Talk 22:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

At last you have decided to take it to AfD instead of indulging in an uncivil edit war. -- RHaworth 06:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

pictures

Roman military tactics is currently running with images of questionable legal status. This issue has been disputed already. But nothing changed. My personal experience with the uploader is not overwhelmingly positive and I do not want to extend it. Perhaps you can show him a way to find images he wants for his article and solve the legal dispute. Wandalstouring 10:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You could be more specific and say which images and who their uploader is, but my advice is: mark every questionable image with {{PUIdisputed}} and list them at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. -- RHaworth 17:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

OK Wandalstouring 22:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Shane Briant

Note discussion at Talk:Main_Page#Complaint. Also note that the article was not created by the user. --Dhartung | Talk 13:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Edmon Low Library

Quoted from RHaworth-

It is the height of idleness to copy a web page and think you have created a Wikipedia article. You deserve to have it deleted. The subject is probably notable and an article specifically written for Wikipedia will probably be accepted

Response from rdegler

It is the height of idleness to copy a comment and think you have created a contribution to a discussion. You deserve to have an copied response. Your involvement with Wikipedia is probably notable and comments covering a Wikipedia article will probably be accepted if you take the time to write an original one. rdegler 19:19 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Please specify what comment you are talking about and whence you think it was copied. -- RHaworth 19:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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