User talk:Mir Harven

Welcome

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A word of warning: when comments are posted, the raw text appears without vocal inflections or body language; the lack of these nonverbal cues tends to make the raw text appear to be more terse/rude than the sender actually intended. This is stating the obvious, but people seem to forget it in the heat of the moment. So my word of warning is this: don't be surprised if someone makes comments to you that seem unnecessarily brusque; and try not to take it personally. It is a side-effect of the medium.

A useful trick for signing posts on talk pages is to use four tildes (~~~~), as I have done below. The software automatically converts it into a signature. If you use three tildes, it leaves off the time and date.

Cyan 00:40, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Wikiquette

Please read Wikipedia:Wikiquette. Your reversions of Croat and Bosnian neologisms and comments at Talk:Croat and Bosnian neologisms aren't really how we try to get things done around here. You have been listed at Wikipedia:Problem users. (Good stuff with the external links at William Faulkner, though.) -- Cyan 07:03, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Mir, I hope you'll pay attention to Cyan's comments here. There are polite and inpolite ways to fix inaccurate or misleading information, and Wikipedia really values folks who can disagree and correct in a polite and constructive manner. Martin 09:52, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Removed inappropriate comments

These are from Talk:Croat and Bosnian neologisms. Please be civil. If you feel the points you made here are important, I suggest you remake them in a polite manner. Thank you for your co-operation. Martin 09:32, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

This page is a product of Serbian sickos. It aims to deride Croatian and Bosnian languages, and the content is almost completely false. Virtually the only exception is the word "dalekovidnica" for TV, which is a literal translation (like German Fernsehen), and not accepted word "zrakomlat" for helicopter. Other "words" are crap "invented" by Serbian psychos. One could ask: why ? Why would anyone bother with such idiotic "enterprise"? Well- when you're filled with hatred towards those who've beaten you in recent wars- no restrictions apply. On more linguistic level: Croatian language is, like some other developed languages (Czech, Hungarian, German, Icelandic, ..), a neologisms-bent language. Many Croatian neologisms form a significant part of any ordinary Serbian dictionary (Serbs have adopted them since their linguistic culture is more prone to loan-words than to calques). So, here are some.

-vodopad (waterfall)

-zubobolja (toothache)

-samoubojstvo (in Serbian translation "samoubistvo") (suicide)

-sladoled (ice cream)

-računovodstvo (bank accountancy)

........

All these words are from Croatian dictionary by Ivan Mažuranić and Jakov Užarević, 1842. Serbs "got" the above mentioned words from that dictionary. Anyway- this "Newspeak" page is a crap, a lie, and a sign of Serbian malignity which manifests itself even in such an unexpected fields as linguistics. It gotta be erased since it's a pure and unadulterated BS.

Mir Harven (mharven@softhome.net)

Why should be so ? I don't think that even serious spelling-reform like that initiated by G.B.Shaw are discussed on English language page (let alone Mark Twain's mockery). This "Newspeak" crap doesn't describe any real phenomenon (like, for instance, slang or gender-related speech). It's nothing but Serbian concoction and a sign of idiocy: the only equivalent I can think of would be to list some English words, indulge in ad hoc etymology (software- soft ware: heheh, what an idiotic word for ...you know.) What such a claptrap on *any* language has to do with an encyclopedia ?

M H

The times of presenting Bosnian Muslims as simpletons and laughing stock have run out.

Moron "Igor something" has reestablished his crap without any credible background info. I suggest the page to be completely erased.

M H

Crap.

You're an ignorant ( I hope, because ignorance-or stupidity- is not something bad per se). In case your rubbish is a product of pro-Greater Serbia partisanship, and not innocent misinfo- ....well, I dont give a hoot anyway. What I *did* notice is absence of any linguistic info whatsoever. Mmmm....how expected. And-yes, Igor something's crap goes to the cesspool again.

MH

Btw- I deleted this crappage purporting to describe "neologisms". This nonsense is a goulash of some Serbian words ("pantalone") arbitrarily connected to another words, old Croatian words ("pismohrana", dating from 15th century and recorded in Vladimir Mažuranić's monumental "Prinosi za hrvatski pravno-povjestni rječnik", 1908-1922 (reprint 1975), ca. 1800 pages ("Contributions to Croatian legal and historical dictionary"), while "Bosnian" part is an imbecile mixture of true Bosniak words (which are, as far as Ctoatian language is concerned, archaisms-ie. phoneme "h" in certain words-in Serbian words in this form never existed) and moronic "jokes". Anyway- this shitpage (now-*that*'s neologism) was put under label of "further info blah..". I dont see any credible info and dont see a reason for tolerating this exercise in Serbian moronologism.

Mir Harven

A liar demistified is a good day in life.

OK, to show what kind of ignorant rubbish it is

Just Serbian sickos' ignorant crap.

Perhaps by using some brains, huh ?

The only issue is that Serbian defamations and distortions will be reacted upon- but that's normal reaction.

c) but-let me ask a question: why Serbian dabblers here, on wiki, paranoically (ugh..I forgot about "politeness") meddle into anything with relation to Croats and Croatian ? Why did they try to change the content of Croatian language page-in a derogatory manner ? Why are they trying to ridicule Croatian and Bosnian languages- with this idiotic page ? Why are they deriding Bosnian language with adding link to this shitpage ? Why are they so nervous about *anything* connected with Croatian history, culture, people etc. ? Why is that no Croat (except me- I was annoyed by their constant pestering, so, for fun, put 2 or 3 linx on their history page. Of course, they deleted them immediately- and I didn't further intervene, since this is childish anyway)-so, why *no* Croat or Bosnian Muslim tries, incessantly, to alter the content of pages dealing with Serbian history, culture, etc. ? I detect sick minds here. Guess whose ?

and, last: why are you dabbling into something you simply dont know about ?

And, to end this exercise in futility: why do some nuts even presume they can "intervene" in Croatian language (history, culture,...)themes ? Mind your own biz & scram with your pathological patronizing attitude. I've wasted enough time already. Margaritas ante porcos.

Discussion

Pearls before swine?

Look at your a-b-c-d comment, before and after. By removing the bits where you're just calling someone stupid, the remaining text you wrote is far more convincing. Rather than reading as if you're attacking someone for disagreeing with you, it reads like a scholarly rebuttal, and that will carry far more weight. Martin 10:13, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia has mechanisms for warning readers and other editors about contentious topics in a polite manner. Please see Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute and Wikipedia:NPOV dispute. -- Cyan 17:33, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Idries Shah an impostor

Mir, when you state that Idries Shah is an impostor, you do not specify in which sense. Please fill in the following stuff:

What exactly did he pretend to be?
What exactly was he not?

Otherwise it will be unintelligible. Nixdorf 00:28, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

image licenses

Please fill in the license details of:

We need to know if they're fair use or not. --Shallot

I dont know how to fill the license(s) (I mean, the procedure).

Each of the pages above has an "Edit this page" link, click it and you'll see that you can edit it like any other page. It's easy :) --Shallot

Please, do it for me. Temporarily I'm disabled as a learner.

Tomislav is from www.hercegbosna.org , and therefore free since I'm one of the owners of the site,

It still seems to be a copy from elsewhere, as I mentioned on Image talk:Tomislav.jpg, it's only fair that you should name the source. --Shallot

It's from Stjepan Antoljak's book "Croatia: A history" (available via amazon). If you have copyright dubieties, then you got available maps at http://www.hic.hr/books/hr-povijest/tomislav.htm Mir Harven 13:01, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

and Vukovar and Tudjman-knin are freely downloaded pics from public sites on Cro. history with no restrictions whatsoever with regard to copyright and similar stuff. Mir Harven 22:49, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If they're made by government agencies, they're public domain, but otherwise they're implicitely copyrighted. (I'm not sure if HINA qualifies as a government agency.) In any event, a source/author should be listed. --Shallot

Vukovar is at http://www.geocities.com/tegetthoff66/vukovar/vukovar.html (if you want, you can contact them. I doubt they will object. Tudjman is from- ?. I'll check later. Mir Harven 13:01, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Please check for Tudjman-knin.jpg. It looks like a newspaper image so all we need for fair use is an attribution. --Joy [shallot]

Also:

Image:Mestrovic.jpg -- this is a trivial photograph of an artwork attributed to its author (Ivan Mestrovic), so it should be fair use. Right?
Image:Branimir.jpg -- sounds like the same, with the added benefit that the object on the image is too old for copyright :)

TIA. --Joy [shallot] 16:18, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Language

Two questions:

I just wrote in Croatian language#Current events that there isn't a single language academy and listed the main institutions and books instead. Is this completely correct? I couldn't find an exact reference.

Although not officially instituted, the central institution is Institute for Croatian language and linguistics, http://www.ihjj.hr You can check at their pages that they work on standardization of EU terminology etc., so they are "the prescriptors" (and not HAZU nor University nor Matica nor LZMK).

Yes, here it is: http://www.ihjj.hr/institut-djelatnosti.htm..U Odjelu za normiranje hrvatskoga standardnog jezika ostvaruju se znanstveni i strucni zadatci u vezi s oblikovanjem i njegovanjem hrvatskoga standardnog jezika, proucavanjem njegova ustroja i funkcioniranjem u drustvu na hrvatskome jezicnom prostoru...

I reverted a change in Bosnian language that said that the prescribed name in Croatian is bošnjački rather than bosanski. Later I saw on hr wp that you wrote that the former name is official but that it's not fully recognized at the same time. Perhaps you could clarify that in the English page?

OK, I'll try, but things are a bit fuzzy. Mir Harven 20:07, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

TIA. --Shallot 16:04, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Greater Serbia

Your POV additions to Greater Serbia are unacceptable. Do you really think that such passages as "must be climed that "the wish to live in a unified state" is, in practice, the goal of only and exclusively Fascist ideologies. Having in mind that Germans, Russians or French live dispersed in many countries, and that this poses no problem for these nations- the virulent nature of Greater Serbian concept becomes all too visible. " are NPOV? RickK 19:28, Jul 10, 2004 (UTC)

And- your POV that such passages are "unacceptable" is, somehow, "closer to reality" and "objective" ? The point is: ALL attempts to unify one nation into ONE nation and by necessity the means were that of war aggression-state in past 100 years have been conducted by totalitarian and fascist regimes or movements: from those of the 30s to 90s. It may be rephrased in a more nuanced language, but the basic fact of quasi-fascist nature of such afforts (including Greater Albania) is indisputable. The comparison with Russians and French stays. Mir Harven 06:59, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Avala

Mir, možda možeš da odgovoriš na neke Velikosrbske neistinite optužbe na ovim linkovima User:Orthogonal/Avala_evidence, Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Avala/Evidence, User:Snowspinner/Avala Evidence. GeneralPatton 23:21, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nikola je več operisao po "prijateljskim" talkovima User_talk:Romanm#Avala's case at the Arbcom, User_talk:Joy#Translation GeneralPatton 23:34, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

We'll see. Mir Harven 08:09, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Croatian writers category

Yeah, I only put them there because there was nowhere else to put them. We can create a Category:Croatian SF writers as a subcategory and move them all there, of course. --Joy [shallot] 09:00, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

hr dialects

I've added individual pages for all three dialects, shtokavian, kajkavian and chakavian. I noticed that the Croatian articles already have a lot of information in them so it would be nice if you translated some of it to English. TIA. --Joy [shallot] 14:20, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ugh...OK, a few days later since I'm currently writing some bigger stuff. Mir Harven 15:42, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize it was about current old-štokavian. I'll move that. I don't see how the rest is illogically formatted. --Joy [shallot]

balkan bacchanalia :)

In case you haven't heard already, there's now a meta:South Slavic NPOV page. I know you don't really agree with everything in the Wikipedia NPOV policy, but still, you may be interested in watching. --Joy [shallot] 12:44, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

OK, I'll see. Although- I even less agree with "South Slavic" anything, since it reminds me of Yu and West Balkans, brotherhood & unity and (let someone translate)..svinjske sindikalne polovice i kretenske vježbe ONO i DSZ. Mir Harven 15:42, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A. B. Šimić

The page has little or no wikification, i.e. there are no internal links in the whole essay. The rest I cleaned up already, but I left the note up because of this. --Joy [shallot] 14:30, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Just found that there's a separate note for wikifying, so I replaced it. --Joy [shallot]