Talk:Don Bradman

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Image talk:Bradman out for a duck.jpg (removed from article Don Bradman) - This photo's source is the State Library of South Australia [1]. The page states that the image is out of copyright. The photo was however apparently taken in London (the description says ..played at the Oval, London, on 14, 16, 17 and 18 August 1948.). The original source is not stated and not known. Would Australian copyright expiry pre-1955 be applicable here? If not would this still be under copyright anywhere else? -- Ian ≡ talk 18:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

New Picture

I uploaded a picture at the commons that I thought might be good for this article. It is at Bradman_1937.jgp, and it's in public domain as it was taking in Australia before 1955. I hope you can put it to good use. Raven4x4x 06:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

• I went ahead and added the image. Raven4x4x 10:35, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

John Bradman

John Bradman was the subject of a minor controversy when he changed his surname to Bradenham,which was the original family name,before legally changing it to Bradsen, in an attempt to avoid the publicity attached to the Bradman name.

Didn't he change it back to Bradman sometime in the 1970s ? Tintin 19:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The original family name was Bradnam according to Charles Williams' biography "Bradman". I have personally inspected the gravestones of his ancestors in Withersfield churchyard, Suffolk, and the name on them is Bradnam. - AG, Stockport.

Can you please find the exact lines & ISBN, page number etc of the book. Tintin (talk) 14:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes - the Abacus paperback edition of Williams from 1997 is before me as I type, ISBN 0349109400. Chapter 1 is about the shift of hemisphere of DB's grandfather Charles in the mid-19th century and is called "From Suffolk to Sydney". The churchyard and Bradnam name is mentioned throughout this chapter but especially on p11, in the paragraph that comprises lines 20-36. A revised edition has come out since DB died and can be seen at both Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk by putting "Bradman" and "Williams" as joint search parameters into their search engines. It is Williams' book that led me to Withersfield churchyard to see for myself. - AG, Stockport.

Hero ,Icon or Legend

current version has "and is one of Australia's most popular sporting heroes"
i think that its would be better with "and is one of Australia's sporting icons"
though using "and is one of Australia's sporting legends" could also be acceptable

I know it's a matter of wording but the use of the word "hero" under values the status of Sir Donald within Cricket and Australia Gnangarra 16:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Legend would suggest that he never existed or that his batting skills are in some way being viewed through rose tinted glasses - in The Don's case there is no need to exagerate. And icon is a horribly misused word. He is a sporting hero if ever there was one. No change needed. --LiamE 11:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

World of Biography

I would like to add external link of Sir Donald Bradman's biography available at World of Biography --Kbi911 10:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• Seems reasonable to me. --PopUpPirate 23:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• As User:Calton stated no isn't reasonable. The editer User:Kbi911 was working for this site to advertise it and attached its link to other biographical articles between 23 January and 22 February, The editor didn't make any other types of edits, and most case didn't even place this request on talk pages(all have since been removed by various legitamate editors). As the site hasn't been used as a referrence it cannot be called a referrence. Please dont encourage this type of vandalism/advertising. Gnangarra 03:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• The link doesn't look too bad, especially the one about his life. 04:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • An interesting read all of it unreferanced(though it appears accurate), it has images of Sir Don cut from images that are under copyright, it has taken actual copyright images and transposed them into drawings, The site claims all of this as original work to which it asserts copyright. Yet there is nowhere within in this article that the site acknowledges any sources. Gnangarra 12:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Final Innings

Surely it should be mentioned that The Don needed only 4 more runs to achieve a test batting average of 100.0, but he got out for a duck in his final innings.

It's already in the article. There's a whole paragraph about it. Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

"Failures" against Ceylon

I removed this from the article:

Rare failures came against the Sri Lankans. When Australia played against the All-Ceylon team in Colombo (on a 'whistle stop' tour on the way to England) on 2 April 1930, Bradman was out hit wicket for the first ball bowled by N.S. Joseph, on his debut. This is supposed to be the first occasion that Bradman got out hit wicket. After missing playing Ceylon on the next two tours; but, playing All-Ceylon again on 27 March 1948 was able to score only 20 runs.

It doesn't seem to me worth documenting this here. "Is supposed to" is not encyclopedic language. Bradman had scored 40 before getting out in 1930 so it was only a relative failure, and there are other achievements of Bradman's that seem much more deserving of a place in the article. It probably should be documented that N. S. Joseph's first first-class wicket off his first ball was Don Bradman, but that's a notable achievement of Joseph, not Bradman's, and should go in Joseph's article (in fact it's already there). --RobertG ♬ talk 12:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

It was not a first class match. None of the matches that DBG ever played in Ceylon seem to be first class. Bradman was in Australia till March 24 [2]. Is Ceylon so close that he could get there in a week ? Tintin (talk) 12:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

would depend on where he was and method of travel, during 1940's it was 30+hour flight from Perth by catalina's, ex perth or darwin by boat yes, Adelaide /Melbourne maybe, sydney/brisbane probably not Gnangarra 15:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The match that finished on the 24th was in Perth. It wasnt uncommon for matches to finish with the touring team heading straight to a boat in those days. Indeed at least one 'timeless' test ended when the boat was due to leave. --LiamE 00:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

9994 in your capital city

His average is allegedly immortalised as the post office box number of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation - "Box 9994 in your capital city". This claim has been in the article for yonks but I confess I've never heard of it anywhere outside Wikipedia. Does anyone have a source, or was it just coincidence? -- Ian ≡ talk 01:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The PO box story is quite well known in India. Some of the google results says that it is an urban legend. Tintin (talk) 02:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, urban legend was the term I was thinking of -- Ian ≡ talk 03:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Inside WP, it's addressed here and was even discussed on KackofOz's talk page some time back. But I haven't progressed any further. -- Ian ≡ talk 03:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I heard this claim on the ABC's program "Media Watch" years ago, so it's clear that some ABC staffers believe it to be true. The question is, do organisations applying for an "in your capital city" PO Box have a choice of numbers? If they don't then I'd say it's coicidence. If they do, then it probably isn't. From what I've heard, individuals applying for their own post office box numbers sometimes have a choice of the available numbers at branch level, and sometimes don't (ie the staff simply assign them a number) so it may be very difficult to determine, either way. - Russell Brown 23:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

But an organisation as big as the ABC would have some more leway in getting a PO Box number that they wanted rather than the average jor off the street. Feedyourfeet

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Can anyone attribute the quote in which he said that his batting average against modern bowlers would only be 80 or so, to which the interviewer replied that he must think bowlers have improved since his day, to which he replied that he was 70 years old! It would be great to put that in. - AG, Stockport.

There are too many different versions. It will be very tough to find the real one :-) Tintin (talk) 14:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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Regarding batting technique, did he practice what he preached? His coordination and speed were so amazing that he employed to good effect unorthodox shots that are disapproved of in most coaching manuals, notably the pull to leg from outside off stump. - AG, Stockport.

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Was it true that you could write to "Don Bradman, Australia" and it would get to him? If so, worth mentioning...

I'm sure the equivalent would work for most famous people. Stephen Turner (Talk) 16:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Postal services will recognise famous addressees and know where to send the envelope, but it is a matter of policy whether they are prepared to deliver such atrociously addressed mail to celebrities. We are now discussing postal services, not Don Bradman...