Talk:LeChuck

Died outside her window? I've never seen THAT before. I've always seen it in MI1 as dying at sea in a shipwreck.

Gateway to heck / gateway to hell dilemma

I have recently edited the "gateway to heck" part to "gateway to hell", because it seems more likely to me and also the Italian translations of the third game named it a "portale per l'inferno" (literally, "gateway to hell"). However I have found "gateway to heck" also on the Dinky_Island page, and so I am unsure about which of them is correct. Can anybody enlighten me, and perhaps revert the page to its previous version if I was wrong in editing the page?

Well, during the "Manditory villainous explanation" near the end of Curse, LeChuck claims that there are catacombs that run under the sea-floor between Dinky and Monkey Island. Although Guybrush started looking for Big Whoop on Dinky, he unbeknownstly (is that even a word?) went through the catacombs and ended up on Monkey Island. Simple and convenient. - Nepharski June 26, 2:21 PM

brother

are lechuck and guybrush brothers or not?!

Personality

This section is absolutely loaded with POV ("without a doubt...one of the most evil, sick, and wicked villains ever," etc.), and more or less unnecessary - the descriptions of LeChuck's roles in the four games illustrate his evil, romantic and gullible nature well enough. I can't see any reason to keep it.--ShaleZero 05:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changes

Alright, I made alot of changes since the inaccurate information drove me crazy. LeChuck did not try to impress Elaine by finding Big Whoop. He was trying to find out the secret of monkey island to impress her. Also there is absolutly no proof that he enlisted Ozzie's help,I believe that LeChuck murdered Elaine's great grandfather while Ozzie attempted to murder her grandfather. Horatio never tried to find Big Whoop and Captain Marley was the one looking for it (also the display of them on the roller coaster ride at the end of the third game shows them as seperate people and they look NOTHING alike.) This fixes that HUGE continuation problem and is the only explanation that makes sense and gets the timeline and story back on track. LeChuck was also the only one who went through Big Whoop, not him and his crew. It is stated in the first game by Bob that he captured a ship and murdered all the crew members aboard and then reanimated them as ghosts. His original crew, besides Largo, were killed in that storm when he was searching for the secret of monkey island. I also included alot more information on his background, such as how he murdered captain marley and his crew and how he came to be such a threat to the carribean. I elaborated alot more on his role in the games, his plans, history, and statements. I think LeChuck is a great villain and all the information on his past plans and schemes should be included. As for the personality section, that was included to tell how evil LeChuck is. Is he funny, yes, but nonetheless he is pure evil to the core with some laughter in it. I agree that the games perfectly illusrate all his aspects but for people who have never played these games and are looking for a game with a great villain, that section should be very helpful. The other sections show no underlined suggestion of his evil, so this section works out to give some feedback to his characterization. I think the section elaborates on his thoaghts on other characters. So, I just think of this as giving LeChuck the praise he deserves for being such a great villain.

The changes you made are okay, but require more citations. For example, the first sentence in personality says that LeChuck is widely recognized as one of the greatest video game villians, you need a citation for an article made by one or more video gaming websites or magazines which support this. Likewise, a lot of the revised history part seems a bit odd: Where does it say that LeChuck ever killed children in Big Whoop? Children weren't allowed ride the rollercoaster into Big Whoop. A lot the "Terror" that he put the Carribean through seems to have come from nowhere too, it was never mentioned in any of the games. With the exception of MI2, his primary goal has been making Elaine love him and that is all he would be doing. There was never anything about him sadictically burning down towns and murdering hundreds of thouands of people. You also say that he has fortresses throughout the Carribean, when we only ever see one and no more are ever mentioned. The pirates were scared of him, but the genocide you are proposing is way over the top! Also, there's never any mention of him Kidnapping people to build the carnival whatsoever. It's just there, the fact that it apparantly came from nowhere is supposed to be a joke.

I'm going to remove the entire "Terror throughout the Carribean" paragraph, the references to him killing Children and the phrase caliming that he is recognized as one of the best video game villians(unless supplied with an actual citation rather than "I think he's great"). I'm also gonna scour the rest of the article and remove any POV or any exploits not mentioned in the games. I think he's cool too, but a lot of the stuff you put in seems to be made up rather than from official sources.

Eccentricned 03:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, just saw the phrase "isn't shown or told" in reference to part of Monkey island 2 while editing. If it isn't shown or told, then it can't be mentioned on a wikipedia article. Seriously, I'm not trying to make fun of you here, but alot of what you wrote seemed to be an over the top fan fiction rather than a summary of his exploits in the games. For future reference, unless it's mentioned in game or by a citable article by a game creator, don't put it in. Trying to make him out to be as cool as possible and actually reporting on is exploits are two completely different things. Eccentricned 03:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I agrre with you, but the whole not shown or told thing was put there because the second game is the only possible chance that LeChuck had to make that carnival. The first game did not have it and it was on Monkey Island at the end of the second game. He also states that he had to commit murders, intimadation, and kidnapping when you ask him how he came to make an amusment park on a deserted island in the third game.