Talk:Oingo Boingo

Recent Edits

I made a few edits after my computer had automatically logged me out. Oops! Matheson 09:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oingo Boingo's sound

It might be helpful if the group's sound is expanded on a bit more here. Before adding some comments in the "Only A Lad" area, there was no mention at all of what the group sounded like. -- ZincOrbie 22:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I was in the band and never could describe very well to anyone else what the group sounded like. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 01:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fast Times at Ridgemont High

There's no mention in the article about the use of the song "Goodbye, Goodbye" in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High", therefore, I'm adding it to the article. That was my first exposure to Oingo Boingo, and frankly, it deserves a mention. --Devious Bastard 16:58, 19 August, 2006 (EST)

Man, this article sucks

It seems so far from the standards of Wikipedia 2006. What nationality is the band? Where are they from? Who was in the band? None of these questions are directly answered. What does it mean to be the band "of someone"? The intro is terrible. The succeeding paragraphs are uninformative. I'll suggest it for peer review unless you shape it up. Moncrief 04:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can clean it up a bit. What else did you have in mind? Is there another band article that you suggest I could use as an example? --Stacey Doljack Borsody 23:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that was so harsh. I didn't need to be that rude. Take a look at any article that must have been worked on a lot - Led Zeppelin, Eagles, something like that. The intro should be a clear distillation of the essential facts about the band. Names of the members? Nationality? Years together? Style of music? I don't know what it means to be a band "of someone" and who is this person anyway? The article should have a summary intro that introduces the essential relevant information. Moncrief 23:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look... I have no idea why the entire article was reverted back. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 03:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A mistake on my part. I only meant to take out the list of some of the members from the first paragraph. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 03:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Should we make a separate section for members like in the Eagles article User:Moncrief sites or list members under the separate history sections? I don't know who all the members were during all time periods. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 03:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A seperate section might make sense, since most of the members aren't or weren't notable enough to have their own articles. I just didn't think the list belonged in the intro. I don't know if anybody could come up with a list of all the members from all the time periods, except maybe Danny, whose memory seems photographic, but maybe not even him, because he wasn't even in the country for the first few months of the band's existance -- Rick actually founded it while Dan was in Mali and thereabouts collecting musical instruments and malaria. (I figure this is one of the very few places I might rightfully get my own name mentioned in Wikipedia, so I will express no opinion as to whether long-ago members need be listed; but how can one pass up an opportunity to have a mention of Billy Superball?) --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 14:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest two separate sections for the members: one for the Mystic Knights (the theatrical troupe) and one for Oingo Boingo (the band). In fact, it might make sense to have an entirely separate entry for the Mystic Knights. -- Takwish 16:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Members

The table is a start. I need to go do some further research to get the full list I'm aware of :) I also noticed that Food For Feet isn't listed under 'Other Projects', but I don't feel that I know enough info about it offhand to add it yet. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 15:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've got (somewhere) reviews from Variety and the LA Times of a 1974-ish incarnation, with full cast lists. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 16:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That would help :) --Stacey Doljack Borsody 17:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've transcribed the reviews; you can grab them from [1] and [2]. Let me know when you get them so I can take them off the site again (they are, of course, copyrighted.) --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 00:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've got them now, thanks. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 04:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome intro now. Thanks. Moncrief 17:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in hindsight, the only thing I'd say is that if "The Gong Show" bit wasn't one of the highlights of their career, I wouldn't put it in the intro. I think the best Wikipedia articles should adopt the "inverted pyramid" rule from journalism: articles start with the overall summary and then get into more detail. This new intro, as big of an improvement as it is, seems to cover the early years of the band disproprtinately and could give a broader overview. But still it's much better. Glad this is being worked on. Moncrief 17:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that. I was thinking the Gong Show reference would fit better in the Mystic Knights section. I need to think more about what to include in an expanded intro. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 17:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And did they really win? That was before my time with the band, and my memories are a bit muddled, but I don't recall hearing about them winning, and I think I would hae remembered that. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 17:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An external site mentions they got 24 points out of 30 and didn't get gonged. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 03:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha you guys beat me to it. I just got some time now today to add in more member info, with little paper notes in hand and you've all added stuff already! :) --Stacey Doljack Borsody 03:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a table isn't the best formatting device for a large list? I found some details online [3] that included some trivia. *shrug* I feel like the list needs to be organized by group incarnation. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 04:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thing the personnel from the Mystic Knights years who weren't in the band after 1979 should be listed separately, and preferably in a separate article. The Mystic Knights had a lot more members than the later Oingo Boingo band, and their work is much less familiar. -- Takwish 04:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why a seperate article is needed; Oingo Boingo was a direct descendent; every member of the first incarnation as Oingo Boingo had been a member of the Mystic Knights, as far as I know. And I'm not sure there's all that much that we'll be able to say about the Mystic Knights in a seperate article. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 04:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've divided the 'Members' table into two tables: one for the Mystic Knights and one for the rock band. There's some duplication, of course, with this approach; but I think it adds some necessary clarity. I've made the ending dates for all the Mystic Knights members as 1980, and the beginning dates for all the original OB members as 1979. -- Takwish 13:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be for a separate article on the Mystic Knights if there were enough to write about them. I almost added another column to the table indicating if the person was in MK, OB, or both for clarity but the table seemed to get too wide, especially with the column for additional info. Maybe using a smaller font would do the trick? Or the other option is to remove the additional info column, and find some other place for that info. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 14:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know if Carol Emmanuel (Harp), Stuart Elster ( Piano) and Dan Schmidt (Synths) were actually members of MKOB, or just session musicians for Forbidden Zone? -- Takwish 21:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images

I was thinking the page now needs spicing up with some images. Obviously most images are going to be copyrighted. Does anyone know what the credits for this Mystic Knights image is? --Stacey Doljack Borsody 21:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Red Hot

I just read in Anthony Kiedis's autobiography that the Red Hot Chili Peppers once opened for Oingo Boingo, and the Danny Elfman came onstage and told the band to stop booing when they lost steam after Flea broke a bass string, with Danny being mentioned as a fan of the Chili's. Shouldn't this kind of thing be mentioned in the article? Considering how bog the Chilis are now, anyway.

Maybe, though it sounds more like info that should be mentioned in the Red Hot Chili Peppers' article. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 14:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Gold?

An anon added: Jon Gold 1973-1976 Guitar, banjar, sousaphone, baliphones & percussion. Now, I'll admit my memory isn't what it might be, given my extra-curricular activities at the time, but I don't remember anybody besides me playing the sousaphone during that period, which is exactly when I was with the band; and I also played banjar (a guitar-banjo hybrid). Anyone remember better than I do? --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 19:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe they mean Josh Gordon and are just messing with ya :) --Stacey Doljack Borsody 20:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See, e.g., '75 --Figsyrup 05:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That picture's been driving me nuts for a while. I think that's me in the front right, but I'm not at all sure! --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 07:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. My wife says, "That's your feet. That's your belly. That's your nose." And it looks like my trumpet, too. So it's probably me. Only thing is I don't remember the outfit, but that was a special photo shoot, not our usual show costumes. I think a lot of our Boingitude was ethanol-propelled. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 21:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking now Jon's the guy who succeeded me. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 21:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]