Talk:Black helicopter conspiracy theory

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I don't know that this should really be a separate article, or perhaps it could be revised, as the topic is not really "black helicopters" but is really theories regarding them. Maybe it could be better explained at the outset what the observed phenomenon is, and then what is allegedly special, or not special, about it. --Daniel C. Boyer

There is a lot of information on the subject (though not here yet...), so I think it would be prudent to keep it separate. I see your point about the title though. I'm about out of interest on this one however.

--Alan D

Ive ridden in the Black Choppers several times. Not a big deal really Pizza Puzzle

Except for that damn Anal Probe. Gzuckier 16:30, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Let's try and keep it on topic folks. [[User:GregNorc|GregNorc (talk) ]]

"(however, few believe that is occurring right now, except for xenophobic ultra-rightwing parties, such as the John Birch Society)."

This is an extremely biased view of the John Birch Society, and appears to have no other purpose than to slander them. Although I agree the JBS does not generally represent the moderate, mainstream view, and some of them are nutcases, they're not all completely insane. Khatores

Renaming this article

A proposal has ben put forward to require renaming of all articles that have the phrase "conspiracy theory" in their title, due to what proponents claim is the inherent POV of that phrase. Please see Wikipedia:Conspiracy theory. A vote is occurring at Wikipedia talk:Conspiracy theory. -Willmcw 05:51, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

proper place for conspiracies to run free

trying to get a conspiracy based wiki up and running. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiconspiracy. check it out, add input. most of all help me get it running (I'm kinda amature over here)--Matt D 02:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting

I like how there is advice on how to best take these things down...

Another source

I'm suprised there is no mention of actual attacks via black helicopters. 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta (aka Delta Force) obtained permission from several cities to use abandoned buildings for training excercises. In came the black helicopters with armed men fast roping down. Citizens were not warned ahead of time and many thought they were under attack.

-Chris Mayhew

NPOV?

After reading this article, I must doubt that it does in fact warrant a NPOV. As Khatores stated, the comment on JBS is nothing short of slander. But that is not the only problem; the article also says that mostly only ultra right wing conservatives believe in this. This article needs to be cleaned up. Gold Stur 12:09, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well... YOU give an example of a left-wing conspiracy group using the black copter meme, and cite it. As it has been, only (fringe) right-wingers are seen to have supported the claim.

I am going to remove the tag. Thane Eichenauer 05:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

heliocopters

Skeptics as well as Chenoweth's political opponents ridiculed her pronunciation of helicopters as "heliocopters".

? this is not relevent--1 black han d 20:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree and removed that reference. Lawyer2b 16:09, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where should this be moved to?

I think the following statements are speculative and therefore should not be under the section Black Helicopter Facts. I propose a "Reasons to Doubt the Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theory" section. Feedback?

At least some sightings of black helicopters are very likely to have been helicopters on exercises and/or missions. This only feeds fuel to the fire for conspiracy theorists who do their homework on military matters. However, from a practical perspective, any extensive missions conducted by the American military on domestic soil would rapidly leak to the news media, and thus to the general public.

Defense contractor use

I added a comment in the Black Helicopter Facts about defense contractors and helicopter manufacturers flying black helicopters in public. This comes from personal experience, so I'm hoping I'm not violating some sort of wiki convention. Bell Helicopter Textron conducts training and demonstrations at several airfields in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, some of which use helicopters such as a black Bell JetRanger with a mast-mounted FLIR (or something) for training clients on. On occasion, these helicopters would be flown from one Bell airfield to another. --YoungFreud 04:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Small arms

From the article: "Conspiracy theorists would probably not be comforted to know that small-arms fire is almost entirely ineffective against a well-planned helicopter mission"

We really need references for that! It would be fine in a newspaper article, press release or defence journal, but we should really be quoting people who've actually done the research. Specifically, the people who study such things don't tend to write about it online, which makes me wonder if it's just speculation or extrapolation? Ojw 22:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is a spot on any helicopter, even on the "dreaded" Black Helicopters that, if hit with small arms fire, will bring it down. Due to the current war that resulted from 9-11, I will not state where these weaknesses are at. Martial Law 03:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC) :)[reply]

RPG airburst near the tail rotor. - Link at http://www.exile.ru/2004-April-29/war_nerd.html with references to Battle of Mogadishu (BlackHawk Down) and the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Ojw 10:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I said that there is a spot that small arms fire can be used to take down any helicopter, but due to the "9-11" War, I cannot tell you at all. Not all people have access to a RPG. I had family who were working with helicopters and also had contacts who work with helicopters. Martial Law 19:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC) :)[reply]

It's no secret, it's been public knowlege since Vietnam. A kid with a 7.62 rifle could do it after a few mniutes Googling.

That said, it's a hard shot, especially from a steep angle. A terrorist would be better served using other means. Like a 50 calibre rifle through the windshield and into the pilot.

perfectblue 14:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Popular References

How about King of the Hill as another reference in popular culture. In one episode Dale mentions a conspiracy involving black helicopters that he read on alt.conspiracy.black.helicopters

Not sure about this part though: it's a real newsgroup, but did it exist prior to the KoH episode, or was in created after the fact?

"Conspiracy theorists would probably not be comforted to know that small-arms fire is almost entirely ineffective against a well-planned helicopter mission, and that the use of automatic weapons would mark the firing positions for counter-fire and air strikes. However, surface to air missiles are particularly effective against helicopters, with many infrared-guided weapons able to acquire targets from any angle of launch. Other weapons, such as the Rocket Propelled Grenade have also been used against low flying helicopters, with some success (See Battle of Mogadishu)."

This section seems out of place. It's directive and speaks towards the view of the conspiracy theorists rather than as part of an explanation of the beliefs surrounding the 'black helicopters'. I think it should be expunged.

I deleted that crazy paragraph. It looked like an excerpt frome something like "The Complete How-To: Black Helicopter Survival and Guerrilla Tactics". If anyone can think of a reason for including it, I would love to hear it. I was looking around wikipedia for examples of how term Conspiracy theory is used when I found it. There's a lot of controversy going on at the 9/11 pages about the use of the terms conspiracy theory and theorist right now. SkeenaR 05:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

silent helicopters???????

I always heard the "black helicopters" by the men in black were silent. Sometime in the early 1990s I saw on the discovery channel that someone had invented a helicopter without a tail spinner that was silent at over 40 or so feet away. I don't see the word silent in the article. And every helicopter I find is still noisy as hell. DyslexicEditor 06:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look in the Modern Culture section. Specifically, the entry about the film "Conspiracy Theory". CABAL 12:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anything in technical articles. I don't see it in helicopter. DyslexicEditor 20:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the chopper in question (or at least the general type of chopper) uses a ducted fan and a variable nozel instead of a tail roter, it's quiet but not silent. I think that lots of police forces use it. Not for its stealth, but because you can use it in built up areas with less risk of hiting things with the rear blades.

perfectblue 15:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see there is a link in this article to Active noise control. It looks like sci-fi but I guess it works in some capacity. SkeenaR 02:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some links for future use, maybe

http://brookings.nap.edu/books/0815753071/ocr/358.txt http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~tbonham/SS3600/cb236.pdf