Talk:Mikoyan MiG-29

Mikoyan-???

Shouldn't the proper name for this article be "Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29"? Shortening it to "Mikoyan MiG-29" would be like shortening the "Bell-Boeing V-22" to "Bell V-22". --Askari Mark | Talk 03:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These "proper names" are solely western inventions. Hence, it's just a matter of [local] convention. Historical reason for such a nameing is simple: after the death of Mikoyan the OKB was renamed to "... named after A.I.Mikoyan" without mentioning of Gurevich, while design bureau prefix (MiG) was retained. Russians never use such names, just "MiG-nn". Here, at wikipedia, these western names do good job by expanding the name space and preventing multiplication of "disambig page"s. --jno 11:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that, but this is the English Wikipedia and it rather begs the question for the non-cognoscenti of why "Mikoyan" is abbreviated "MiG" - not to mention why it's incorrect to use "Mig". --Askari Mark | Talk 03:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Try to search round here - there already was a discussion on that topic (Mikoyan vs Mikoyan-Gurevich). AFAIR, it has resulted in conclusion that "Mikoyan is proper" because of the use in some printed paper sources. --jno 10:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is lots of bad/mis-information in this article.

First, the Navy's "Top Gun" program is not an "aggressor squadron", nor does it have an embedded aggressor squadron inside it to fly against. "Top Gun" is the Navy's program to train instructors in their various combat aircraft, whom they then send back out to the fleet to help instruct everyone else. The US Navy uses a dedicated US Marine aggressor squadron that flies the F-5 Freedom Fighter aircraft.

The US Air Force's counterpart to "Top Gun" is "(Fighter) Weapons School" or FWIC/WIC (Weapons Instructor Course) for short. The US Air Force's Aggressor Squadron is made up of F-16C/D aircraft. This squadron is used not only for (some) FWIC sorties, but also for the large scale Red/Blue/Green Flag exercises.

Second, The cobra maneuver is described completely wrong. What is described is simply a tail-slide, and can be done in all western fighter aircraft without inducing a stall/stag of the engines (I have personally done it in an F-15E and F-18B) However, in most fighter aircraft (Including the Mig-29/Su-27) a tail slide will greatly increase the chance of a departure from controlled flight.

The actual cobra maneuver is described almost perfectly in the SU-27 Wikipedia engry. Not sure why these two entries differ on this point. Also keep in mind that the airshow birds were specially modified do perform this maneuver.

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About cobra (dynamic braking in direct translation from russian term) and MiG-29... MiG-29 does not perform it. There is a well known "manuever" named "viper of Taskaev" (by analogy of "cobra of Pugachev"). Mr. Taskaev (a test pilot) have attempted to perform the cobra on MiG-29. This resulted in flat spin and crash. Taskaev safely ejected. --jno 10:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reference for this? --Robert Merkel 12:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I afraid, no - just personal conversations with LII staffers. --jno 14:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Why does one get redirected to this article when clicking on Mig-33? Is it the same aircraft? if so.. why do both apear separately on the list at the bottom?

The MiG-33 is a deep modernisation of the MiG-29, with new engines and control system, but with very few external changes. It should really be noted in the article. Deadlock 11:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A few sources say that the Mig-33 has(or will have) canards and thrust-vectoring, in keeping with other new-fangled Russian fighters. I dont know if that's still the case though. -Gooberliberation

MiG-29OVT do have thrust-vectoring. But the most common use of the "MiG-33" name is for "MiG-29M2". --jno 11:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article certainly seems to have some inaccuracies. I am an Israeli and I have not heard of air combat against Syria in 1989 and certainly not in 2001. 89.1.165.73 22:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)Roy[reply]

US Fulcrums

Why is the U.S in the list of operatives? does it have Fulcrums and if it does does it have other Russian Fighters?

The US purchased some of Moldova's MiG-29s (reportedly to keep them out of the hands of Iran...) some years back. Not sure if any were ever flown "over here" before they were scrapped. - Aerobird 01:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about Aerobird's question, but the U.S. obtained many other MiGs (along with Sukhois and other models) by various means, including straight purchases, theft, defection, and other methods. Not that the Soviets didn't do similar things. Many of the Soviet Bloc fighters in Western museums were obtained in these manners. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 01:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mig-29 G

What about the so-called "MiG-29 G"? Is this an official name for a modified version which was flown in the german airforce between 1992 and 2003/2004 (sold to Poland)?. --Polarlys 11:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The G model is a greatly modernized version of the Fulcrum, with an increased fuel capacity, an internal jammer, and the ability to employ the active guided R-77 air-to-air missile. The model that the East German Airforce flew and now the Luftwaffe flies is the Fulcrum A, the model that debuted in 1983. Though I'm sure the Germans, in their constant struggle to always be the best at something, made some improvements along the way. (USMA2010 15:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

The "G" (do you mean Template:Lang-ru?) suffix is traditionally avoided in russian/soviet aviation (for being the first letter of (and common acronym for) the russian word for "shit")... Hence, it's unlikely "official name" for an aircraft. --jno 08:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MiG-29K

Folks, the K is not developed for India navy! It was developed years before that contract and was a (unsuccessful) competitor of Su-27K (now Su-33). Su-25UTG was another aircraft developed for just the same ship. The first version (9-17 based) was developed in 1978. The development of 9-31 (MiG-29M based) was initiated in 1984. [1], [2] --jno 14:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, and yes. The original K variant was developed for use aboard the Kuznetsov, alongside the Su-27K (still called the Su-27K, Su-33 is just another name).

| MiG-29K and Su-27K

However, the MiG-29K program was halted, and is now being brought back up to speed for the Indians, after the purchased a Kiev-class carrier with the intentions of making it a true aircraft carrier. (USMA2010 15:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

MiG 29 shipped to the US

I heard on the news yesterday that the Port of Hong Kong intercepted a Mig 29 inside a cargo container. The container was shipped from Ukraine enroute to the US. The Hong Kong authority is investigating the shipment because it lacked some paperwork. [3] Kowloonese 23:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like some warbird collector just had an "oopsie"... - Aerobird 00:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Australia

"Malaysian MiG-29s, upgraded with recent Russian and Western technology, fought mock air battles with Australian F/A-18A Hornets. The MiGs succeeded in downing all of the Australian Hornets during simulated air combat battles in both medium and short range combat" I can find no record of this, therefore inncorrect information

Mission

Mig-29 (as F-16) is not an air superiority fighter. Su-27 is. So, it's not surprising that Su-27 can defeat Mig-29 in air combat. Profhobby 18:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]