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Emo Song?

Should the Emo Song be mentioned in this article?Schwarzes Nacht 13:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely! haha it should say something like 'this is a song about steriotypical emo culture with a background of keyboard demo music' and there should be a link to it. InformationOverload 10:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

merge from "Patch (emo)"

Emos are emotional, masochistic and dress in mostly black clothes. They form a sense of exclusion to society; a way to escape their lifes problems. I went to a hawthorne heights concert last night - i just love their music!!! - and everyone, including the guys were wearing all black/red clothes with heavy make up. i then looked at myself who was in all black but i still didnt fit the 'emo' scene. i knew why - i was laughing. people can dress as black or hidden as they like, but the difference isnt always in the appearance> i thinks its in how they carry themselves. the emotions they portray or emotions they withhold. thats whats being emo is alll about. its written all over their face. :-|

Yeah but emos don't always dress in black. I meen I am wearing pink drain pipes [<3] at the moment with a emo top. So sure yeah, it might be pink. But it's still emo trust me. Though I guess some of thats true bout how we carry ourself. I'm here cuz my Dad wants to know what emo is. And it's hard to explain if your not one. So meh.

I merged in a line from Patch (emo) (now redirected here). Can someone verify that the line is actually correct [1] , as I don't know much at all about the fashion/culture to know myself! -- Chuq 22:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even if that term is used, it's not commonly used (and the statement is unsourced). An "emo patch" is generally something you attach to your backpack or messenger bag. -- ChrisB 04:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Chris, looks like its a neologism by the creator of Patch (emo). I'll mark it (the patch redirect) for deletion. -- Chuq 07:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

can we possibly get a better picture of what an emo looks like, just having a caricature makes it seem as though it can only be bad to be an emo, or be associated with emo culture.--Fabio 19:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emo kids don't get their pictures taken. The bright light causes them great pain and photographs prove the emo person to actually exist, something to fight to make sure people don't know. H2P 07:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

agree with Fabio about needing a photograph. From where I come from the image given bares little resemblance to what an emo looks like, and there are pictures of people of an emo fashion (lets not get nasty about this H2P) Woodgreener 22:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I might suggest using this artwork [2] (or something like it) as pictures. It seems to give a pretty clear idea of some of the fashion accessories associated with the "emo" look. I leave it to someone else, as images are not really my forte. --Seaworldpunk 08:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Complaints

This wiki doesn't really get it. In my opinion its pretty poor that the opening paragraph doesn't mention the cultural stereotype of an 'emo' person, considering that this article is called Emo - slang. Its about being melodramatic and being irrationaly depressed or suicidal for attention.

Yes, that's true. But the people who give this article the most attention want it to flatter themselves. Mentioning the stereotype doesn't fit this scheme, so they emphasise more positive details instead. Although the 'emo' tag does strongly connote this stereotype, emos prefer descriptions of themselves to flatter them. Rintrah 11:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's genius. We can't have an NPOV article without trashing the crap out of the subject? Visit Goth and see how they've handled it. Articles aren't here to mock or judge. They're here to explain the subject in realistic terms.

And if you care, I wrote a large percentage of what's here, and I'm in no way affiliated with anything that's currently "emo". I'm not trying to "flatter" anything; I'm simply trying to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines. -- ChrisB 16:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

what a load of crap, panic! at the disco aren't considered emo --Nickybutt23 06:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is my opinion that generally when you call someone emo they take it as a putdown, and it generally used as a putdown. I have never seen anyone ever calling someone emo in a nice way, or anyone take it in a nice way. I see no problem with covering the topic in it's generaly used and accepted form, even it it would seem to be bashing. Look at Jock (subculture). It is a little bit nicer on the subject, but it still covers it in the generally used and accepted way. --LordShard 18:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"emos aren't actually depressed, moreover attention seeking". That's really stereotypical and biased. I'm sure at the very least some "emos" suffer from clinical or bipolar depression.

It may also need to be mentioned that people may act "emo" to attract the opposite sex, espciall young men attempting to attract young women, by appearing to be emotional or depressed, while not actually being so. --User: unknown

For that reason I'm glad the authors included the reference to extreme nice guy syndrome. Although some girls may be attracted to the melodrama, for most of the population it neuters your prospects. On another note, there is a genuine slice of the youth population that experiences genuine depression and compulsive tendencies toward self-harm. It is interesting when the non-clinical population takes up these behaviors voluntarily, but more interesting that it gives the genuinely afflicted subset a semi-acceptable outlet for traditionally hidden emotions. Having this outlet for expression may not give them any greater relief, but at least they don't feel as isolated, having a subculture that shares and glorifies their melancholy and volatility. --64.113.93.205 15:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the comment about depressed people feeling less isolated, that's just rediculous. The stereotyped Emo culture makes it much more dificult for those afflicted with such mental illness to feel accepted as many feel that by discussing their illness', they will be labeled as Emo, and made an outcast. Additionally, with the few who do feel "normal", or "accepted", they are less inclined to seek help, feeling that they are "normal" and have nothing wrong.

The percieved emo culture does nothign but make it harder for those with depression or bi-polar to seek help. -- Evilio 11:38, 30 July 2006

This is the point I tried to make earlier:

The article, in its present state, describes the emo subculture according to what can be objectively ascertained. However, the connotations of "emo" are equally signficant, particularly concerning its stereotype, as this is what is generally understood by the term. Therefore, more information of the perceptions and the stereotype associated with "emo" should be included. Bands and adherents of the emo music are self-concious of this implied meaning, to cite an example of its significance. Rintrah 17:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emo (slang) --> Emo (stereotype)

We should rename this article to Emo (stereotype). Calling a word slang degrades it's percieved value and is therefore POV.--God Ω War 03:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing about the word "slang" that degrades its value. "Slang" simply means that the word is not generally accepted in an official (read: dictionary) sense. Wikipedia has numerous articles utilizing similar titles, such as Hack (slang).

Anyway, "stereotype" would be a false title, as the term isn't limited to the stereotype. -- ChrisB 04:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, changing it to Emo (stereotype) would degrade its value. --Switch 08:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, isn't that what the culture is, a stereotype? To be part of the culture, you have to conform to the stereotype. So moving it to Emo (stereotype) is redundant. --Onias 16:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you must be uncertain of the meanings of those terms, as it seems to me that the word 'stereotype' is clearly much more likely to be deemed POV than the word 'slang'. Ax0l0tl 05:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that using the word 'stereotype' is more likely to be perceived as POV, and that the current title better conforms to Wikipedia standards. (in other words, /metoo) --12.116.162.162 14:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism: July 06

"Emo is a slang term used to describe complete homosexuals. F-U-C-K YOU WIKIPEDIA, GO DIE IN A FIRE!!!"
That is the first sentence of the Emo (slang) page on July 29, 2006. – SilverBulletx3_talk^{contributions} 14:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some people try way too hard. --Onias 14:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kudos

This page is much more useful than the music one as a simple explanation of what Emo actually means. I read the music page and was none the wiser. I read this one and I get it. Thanks to whoever's responsible. --Cardinal Wurzel 22:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uh...

Is the Urban Dictionary really a reliable source?--Foot Dragoon 01:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is for a slang term. --Switch 04:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hal jordan?

What's with the Hal jordan? 69.247.65.212 06:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

how come we care?

One question... Why does everyone care that people dress "weird" (not saying that you people do or anything so dont tell me to die), or like to cry or whatever. Emos are people to :P

Um, like, totally, I so know what you mean, whatever. I love MTV, man. Rintrah 09:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's great, like, writing poetry about how conforming sucks when buying clothes from Hot Topic inc. and whining about life when 5 year olds work in cold mines in the third world AND NEVER FUCKING COMPLAIN. --Onias 14:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, totally dude! I was completely pscyhed by the poetry I read, in that, you know, Dashboard Confessional CD. But whoa, your politics, dude, are so conformist. You are not truly depressed, like me. No one is. I am so falling into an abyss — you dudes have no idea. It's dark — I'm crying, and ruining my emo make-up. I am going to brush more hair over my eyes, and, like, show the world, you know, how I totally defy their conformity. Rintrah 17:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I feel for you. This fag I met, he said that I actually am conformist because I'm conforming to a subculture and not being individual and saying that hating conformity is hypocritical and I was like "Faggot conformist logic!" Then I slit my wrists, because I can abuse my wrists and they don't give me logic shit. Woe is moe. --Onias 19:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa! That is intense. I cried for hours. My tears and blood (from my wrists) aren't dry yet. That dude is fag. He doesn't understand us emos. Have you read Byron? Me neither. But I tell people I have so dudes respect me, and chicks dig me. But no one understand me. Rintrah 19:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it on topic chaps! HawkerTyphoon 01:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why the f--k don't you all grow up? What in god's name are you afraid of, that you have to sit there and pay out another social group simply for being what they are? For christ's sake, concentrate your efforts on something a little more worthwhile like, oh, I don't know - CONTRIBUTING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SOCIETY? I find alot that the people who make fun of social groups different to theirs are usually no better, and frequently WORSE, than those they claim to be the problem. No I'm not emo. Yes, I sometimes dress like that. The style is actually not half bad. But who the f--k gave you the right to judge, you small-minded, petty thinking bigots? I say this of course, only to the people who are deriding emos but not actually providing any legitimate constructive reason as to why, beyond "ZOMG CUZ THEY'RE ALL FAGS DUR HUR LOL RED SOX 4 EVA"....which, I'm sorry, is completely juvenile and places you BELOW those you criticise, not above. And yes, I was calling said deriders "ignorant rednecks" with that little quoted comment there. 203.14.180.97 07:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Internet, SERIOUS BUSINESS. Just let the people who insult emo have their fun, don't complain on a talk page that they aren't bound to read anytime soon. Oh, and STOP DERIDING US REDNECKS AND OUR IGNORANCE! WE'RE PEOPLE TOO, AT LEAST BASE YOUR HATE ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN TRENDS AND STEREOTYPES, YOU MONSTER! IF YOU DON'T I'LL WASTE MY TIME TO MAKE A COMMENT TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU A COMMENT THAT NO ONE WILL NEVER LISTEN TO. :( . Get the point? (Steampowered 05:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)).[reply]

Be careful, lest you be a victim of 203.14.180.97's hyperbole: he will not merely dub his victims "rednecks", but "ignorant rednecks". Furthermore, if he is angry, he will underestimate your age, calling you a "juvenile" — the ferocity of which few can bear. Indeed, it is not wise to provoke someone so profane that he will say "f--k" repeatibly, with two letters omitted from the most profane word known to humanity. I do not wish to be a victim, so I will refrain from saying more. Rintrah 08:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody ought to point out that a right cannot be given, a right is something you have by virtue of being in your position or being you. My right to judge comes from my virtue of being a human being. krikkert (Talk) 21:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re-write

To put it simply, this article is complete and utter tosh. It needs a total re-write, and I am seriously consideing starting the whole thing again. Any thoughts? From people who have no opinion on 'emo'? HawkerTyphoon 01:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we mention that Emo's can't fly?

Possibly. Wikipedia is striving for more incisive information than Britannica. Poets might also want to know what "emo" rhymes with. Rintrah 07:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chemo. Remo (as in a slang term for remedial). If you mumble a little, lemur. It's an endless world of possibilities... 86.0.232.60 10:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emo Music

Dashboard Confessional is not Emo Music. Stuff like Hawthorne Heights is.

Hawthorne is really more post-hardcore or pop-punk in my opinion Burger king 03:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)burger king[reply]

Dashboard is emo. I offer no evidence to support my claim because I just don't care.

But it is.

Kestrel 05:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not about Emo (music) but about the common slang usage. Because emo (slang) draws is meaning from being emotionally unstable, Dashboard Confessional is very much associated with the emo (slang) term. As far as emo (music) goes, the traditional definition consists of bands like Jimmy Eat World and Hawthorne Heights. These bands have no place in this article, except perhaps to show the origin of the word. 68.219.188.246 08:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needless Unedit

The term "emo" in relation to music, is getting more and more distorted. It has been used to describe bands of completely different natures, and as such is normally unreliable. Depending on who is being asked, emo is used to describe "post-hardcore" bands such as Rise Against, to softer bands such as Dashboard Confessional. Emo as a term in the music industry has become distorted and so encompassing it is completely unusable.

Why was this undone, sourced or not it is accurate, and if it is not up to your standards then edit it not delete it. Emo has become a term that relates to anything and everything music and this article needs to say something about it. Emo can no longer even be considered a viable genre as too many completely different bands are being placed under it. At least put the main idea of the above into the article. Or give a reason its not true here.

Terrible

This article sucks.

It needs a complete rewrite or be deleted, it is completely unhelpful and undescriptive of both the actually culture, the precieved culture, and the music.