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Eric Van

AFD tag placed on article by 66.134.219.52 (talk • contribs), who may also be Worm082 (talk • contribs). This is a technical nomination regarding which I have firm no opinion at this time. Paraphrasing the comments on Talk:Eric Van, the anon user had concerns that the subject did not WP:BIO's standards for inclusion. At previous AFDs the article was stubbed and speedily kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Van and kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Van (2nd nomination) because the subject is, like the song says, big in Japan Boston. Nice, but I'm not sure that a heartwarming human interest piece in the deepest, darkest corners of the Boston Globe is multiple, even if it is arguably non-trivial. Whatever the article has going for it, it scores well as hagiography. Some might not see that as plus point. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Not notable, does not meet WP:BIO. "Whatever the article has going for it, it scores well as hagiography. Some might not see that as plus point." - This is because the article was written by the subject of the article (see previous edits by user emvan). Whether he's notable is questionable, whether a biography written by the subject can have a NPOV is not. Ivana Humpalot— Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.31 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete as Red Sox Nation-cruft. I am a member of SABR and had never heard of this guy until I followed a link from Sons of Sam Horn (the Wiki article, not the site). His work intrigues me from a fan's standpoint, and he certainly seems notable in the Boston area, but is he a notable baseball authority outside of those circles? No. He's not notable in his other interests, either, and it makes the page read like a vanity. And if anyone's ready to point out this as an assertion of notability, well, many local people are profiled in newspapers every day. SliceNYC 02:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Notable baseball sabermetrician. -- No Guru 16:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. wikipediatrix 18:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, notable statistician, very notable in science fiction fandom. I'm also quite befuddled by Ivana's comments. Van didn't create the article, he's removed large chunks of non-essential information and his edits are non-controversial and constructive [1]. Nobody is disputing factual acccuracy here, so citing a POV concern (especially when Van isn't the primary author) seems like a strawman. Stilgar135 14:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Afterthought Van is absolutely the primary author. See his edits from late February 2006 when he changed the page from a spoof to his own bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_Van&diff=41438350&oldid=39762820. He later edited it to add more of the current content. It now reads like an abbreviated resume. Moreover, POV has little to do with factual accuracy; articles in The Nation or Newsmax may be factually accurate, but no one pretends they have a NPOV. Ivana Humpalot 21:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'Response' Awesome, we're both using the same edit to try and prove different points. It looked to me like Van was removing a whole bunch of chaff and leaving in the important information. And I think you're missing my point about POV. The issue here is whether Van is notable. Your musing on whether or not someone can write an article about themselves without a POV is not germane to the debate. Stilgar135 23:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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