Talk:Lava lamp
Eek. Sorry to bust up this article, but there are some serious trademark issues here. First and foremost, there is no such thing (officially) as a "lava lamp". Actually, this page will explain better than I: http://www.lavaworld.com/cfm/legal/legal.cfm
Unless there's opposition, I'll move this page to 'Motion lamp' and fill in information from the page above. The picture should be fine; I can't believe they'd hold a copyright that extended that far, but what do I know? --Spikey 19:01, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Do not move the page. Lava World International who bought the rights to the sell lava lamps in the United States from the original English company unwittingly trademarked the term Lava Brand Motion Lamp. This type of lamp has become known popularly as a lava lamp. There is no trademark on the phrase lava lamp. Lava World has tried and succeeded to protect the use of the word lava as related to other manufacturers, but can not control the popular use of the word lava; basically, they patented the wrong name. For more on the history see this site, http://oozinggoo.com (I'm the author.) -- user:fleabitten
Other places claim that they invented the lava lamp. eg [1]. Secretlondon 19:09, Jan 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Please don't move the page. This is clearly the term they are known by. Besides we have many other articles on trademarked names: Coca Cola, New Coke, etc. Rmhermen 19:40, Jan 6, 2004 (UTC)
- There would certainly be a redirect. It just seems more appropriate to title the article with the official name used by most (no?) manufacturers. Maybe things are different accross the pond, I don't know. --Spikey 00:22, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's rule is to use the most common name. That would be lava lamp, I think. Rmhermen 20:05, Jan 7, 2004 (UTC)
- There would certainly be a redirect. It just seems more appropriate to title the article with the official name used by most (no?) manufacturers. Maybe things are different accross the pond, I don't know. --Spikey 00:22, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Well, you can't argue with Google. You're right, it should stay here. There's still a legal issue, though, which worries me. The page I've referenced above makes some pretty serious trademark claims and has very clear rules. What are we actually obligated to follow? --Spikey 23:15, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
(I have no kind of legal knowledge of anything at all, whatsoever, nor even any interest in legal issues) "Lava" is a common english word. So is "lamp". The page appears to me to claim ownership of the term "LAVA", not the combination of "lava" and "lamp". "Lava lamp" means a lamp somehow related to lava, the word "lava" not used as if it's a brand name. I assume use of the word "lava" as a noun predates the creation of the company. (Volcanoes existed before the company was formed...) I find the claim that there is no such thing as a "lava lamp" about as sensible as I would find a claim that there is no such thing as a "frog lamp", if someone first showed me a lamp that looks like a frog. Κσυπ Cyp 00:26, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Sure, but a lamp that looks like a frog, well, looks like a frog. The inside of a lava lamp has never struck me as looking like lava, so the trademark made sense to me. But this is probably just me. --Spikey 13:34, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- I suppose only the red ones (like mine) look like lava, with the light shining through the bottom... Can't really see it in the picture, the bottom looks white instead of white in the picture... Although I can't be sure without finding the box, I doubt my lava lamp has anything to do with Lava World, especially as the base looks nothing like the bases shown on the site. Κσυπ Cyp 18:51, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Does anybody know what the liquid inside of a Lava Lamp is? Is it one type of liquid (like, just water) or does it vary. Bradley Elenbaas
Even though his question doesn't belong here I feel Bradley deserves an answer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A641224
- I removed the USB-Lavalamp link as wiki is not here to promote your shop!
- I removed the lik to lavalamp.org because the contents on that site were removed.
- I think the link to the site about the giant lavalamp should be removed too as many sources call this project a hoax, which makes their collecting donations at least questionable. That shouldn't be supported through wiki and sure doesn't add to either the purpose of wikipedia or that of the article.
Googie architecture
The Googie architecture article says Lava lamps are an example for Googie design or Populuxe design. Do you think it is correct, so it can be added to the article? --Abdull 11:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Trademarked Lava
What about lava lamp spin-offs?
I own a glitter lamp, which uses the same technology that lava lamps use. The only difference is instead of wax being in it, there is peices of colored metallic confetti, as well as some glitter in the liquid itself. I noticed that there is a article here glitter lamp, about glitter lamps. Perhaps that article should be changed from a stub, and instead mentioned in this article about lava-lamps as a spin-off product.
- Actually a glitter lamp only uses thermal circulation, the glitter particles are light enough to be carried with it, that physical effect is way different from that in a lavalamp. Nonetheless, glitter lamps certainly belong to the product family of motion lamps and even were(are) sold by the inventors (Crestworth Ltd. who later became Mathmos). As the stub you mention only consists of - Quote:
- A glitter lamp is a novelty item typically used for decoration rather than illumination. The stuff inside it suggests the flowing of glitter.
- Unquote. I'd say there's no use in including that information in the lavalamp article. But what about an additional section mentioning a number of such "Novelty Items typically used for decoration rather than illumination" (Examples: Glitterlamp, Plasma Ball, Light-changing-objects, etc.)?
- Another alternative would be adding further information to the original glitter lamp article and including it over here in a "See also" section just as the lavalamp is included in the plasma lamp article.-80.135.188.238 16:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
source?
"Chaotic behaviour makes the movement of the wax unpredictable—hence lava lamps can aid in the generation of one-time pads for cryptographic use." How exactly? I'd love to see a link addressing this.Sorry, forgot to sign this.--{{SUBST:User:Coryma}} 08:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Then follow the lavarand link in the "see also" section. -80.135.188.238 16:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)