Talk:Grunge/Archive 2

Sonic Youth is grunge? Please explain. Kingturtle 09:13 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

I agree... Sonic Youth should be removed from the list

p.s can i just say that grunge music did not die out the day kurt cobain died. And a lot of the bands above are certainly not grundge. - Anonymous user, comment moved here by Evercat

I don't think Days Of The New counts as a prominent band. They were more like a one-hit wonder. -- LGagnon

While I think that it is reasonable to argue that Neil Young is "the godfather of grunge" (for his music with Crazy Horse), I think it is really weird to provide an external link to an article that says this and not even mention the topic in the article. We should go one way or the other. -- Jmabel 07:14, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm shocked there's no mention of the Singles movie and especially soundtrack here. Postdlf 13:01 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Two recently added external links (labeled "Grunge Music - History" and "Grunge Music - Early History") look pretty useless to me, but I'm not a significant contributor to this article. Would someone else please pass judgement? TNX. -- Jmabel 06:34, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Prominent Bands?

The Vines, recently added under Prominent Bands seem an odd choice to me (both in terms of being prominent and in terms of being grunge). The Cult are duly prominent, but I don't think of them as grunge. But maybe I'm just too old to know. Comment welcome (not on my being too old). -- Jmabel 05:02, Jul 10, 2004 (UTC)

I agree. The Vines are too new to consider them as important to grunge as the others in the list (not to mention that whether they are grunge or not is quite questionable). -- LGagnon 06:20, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Excuse me, Blue Moon and Company??? Prominent? Again, maybe I'm just too old to know, but I don't think so. Can anyone say something with confidence? -- Jmabel 06:32, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

Again, someone added

Since Blue Moon and Company were on the list, I assume this is the same anon as last time. I deleted all except Marcy Playground, who at least are a prominent band. I leave it to someone else to decide if they are grunge. -- Jmabel 18:02, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Pioneers

Just seen an edit in Killdozer that claims they were a pioneer of grunge. Don't really know enough about grunge to say if its so, I'd guess they were happy in their hardcore punk niche. Opinions? ---- Charles Stewart 17:13, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Almost certainly the early Seattle grunge rockers would have been familiar with them, since they played in Seattle several times and were pretty heavily played on KCMU. I can certainly hear anticipations of grunge in their sound. It's a fair guess that they were an influence. Not as strong a claim as the Melvins (whose influence was absolutely clear and direct), but if we are mentioning Neil Young (which I think we should), we probably should mention them, too. -- Jmabel 19:03, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

OK, you've persuaded me. I'm not the person to apply the edits, though... ----Charles Stewart 21:47, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'll do it. -- Jmabel 23:13, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

The Pixies

Same anon who recently re-added Sonic Youth (which I removed again) also added the Pixies. I think of them more as a precursor than as part of the grunge contingent. I think they should be mentioned, but in the same place we mention others who anticipated or influenced grunge, rather than listed as a grunge band. Other thoughts? -- Jmabel 18:22, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

As a Pixies fan, I must say I agree. Though they were a big influence on alternative music in general and especially on Nirvana, I'm not so sure they should be mentioned in this article as truely being grunge. Still, it is worth noting that some of their songs had a very grungy sound to them ("Planet of Sound" or "UMass" would be a good example of this). -- [[User:LGagnon|LGagnon]] 22:20, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Marcy Playground is definitely not grunge. Their musical style doesn't fit the genre and they formed a couple of years after the popularity of grunge had subsided. -- Bumhoolery 15:15 28 October 2004

Concur. Jmabel | Talk 05:56, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

The Smashing Pumpkins

The Smashing Pumpkins were recently and anonymously added to article as grunge "mainstays". Good band, like 'em, guess they are about the right period, but I never really thought of them as grunge. What do others think? -- Jmabel | Talk 08:55, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

subtle POV edits?

Would someone else take a look at the recent edits by User:24.13.183.57? They don't look to me to be on the mark, but I'm hesitant to roll them back without a second opinion. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:56, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

I agree. Some are inaccurate and others are POV. I suggest reverting back to Jmabel's last revision. -- [[User:LGagnon|LGagnon]] 22:29, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Based on that, and with no one chiming in to disagree, I've reverted. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:22, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Good catch. GWO