Talk:Werwolf

What is the justification for:

Redirecting Talk:Wehrwolf to here, when the topics are barely related; and/or
The claim "some doubt that [the Nazi Wehrwolf movement] was ever really active at all"?

Point 2) sounds like historical revisionism, and point 1) like a trick to disguise point b. There is immense evidence of not merely the existence of Wehrwolf, but of its organisation, internal politics, and many of its operations, e.g. the assassination of the anti-Nazi mayor of Aachen. It was certainly smaller than its creators hoped, but largely because Wilhelm Keitel spent the last few weeks of the war trying to shut it down. I will change both in a couple of days unless I hear a reason not to do so. Securiger 01:24, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Redirect now removed. Securiger 15:00, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Historifictive text:

Typical Werwolf tactics included sniping attacks, arson, sabotage, and assassination although in Poland they also carried out massacres of civilians, and a few substantial attacks against Soviet troops.

I know there were Estonian, Lithuanian and Ukrainian (Stepan Bandera) fighters, which were active until 1950, but I have never heard about German military attacks after May 9th 1945 except two towns in Soviet Occupation Zone: Altenberg and Demmin. These towns were destroyed by Soviet troops as a reaction for SINGLE sniping attacks against them.

Please let me know if you know other examples.

Their most costly single attack in the western zones of occupation was a bombing which killed 44 persons.

Please inform about place and time.

Their most prominent victims were Dr. Franz Oppenhoff (the new anti-Nazi mayor of Aachen and most prominent democratic politician left in Germany),

That's true.

Major John Poston (Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery's liaison officer)

He died in battle

and (possibly) General Berzarin (Soviet commandant of Berlin).

General Bersarin had a motorbike accident. However, it may be possible to cause a motorbike accident, but there is no proof for a planned accident.

One often overlooked aspect of Werwolf is that the Hitler Youth component was also responsible for developing a new political youth movement which was intended to outlast the war, and which was called "neo-Nazism". Some current German neo-Nazi groups refer to themselves as Werwolf, although the association is probably fanciful.

On 25th August 2003, Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld compared the problems faced by US troops then in Iraq, to those faced by US troops in post-World War II Germany. In particular, they mentioned Wehrwolf.

Like in Iraq, Germany was threatened after World War II by CRIMINAL gangs who were just interested in robbery, stealing and black market supply. However, the political background of these attacks was marginal in Germany after WW2.

The more conventional view is that while Werwolf was too disorganised to provide any significant military impediment to the occupiers, it delayed economic reconstruction and democratisation by three or four years.

Reconstruction was delayed by Allied bureaucracy (there was a cartoon "How your request will be handled by military government"). CRIMINAL activities had some negative impact on the economy.

If you want to publish facts, you may write that former Werwolf members started a criminal career after World War II.

I am not angry, I do not demand correction because I like phantasy. You may delete my comment and continue your historifiction. However, it would be honest to rename Wikipedia from Encyclopedia to Fairytale.

Utter Nonsense

Werewolf = wolf man bcz in English "were" once meant "man" (whence - see at least any Merriam-Webster dict that includes etymology --also world, from "were" and "alt", meaning "man's age" or "human realm".)

Wehr is unrelated, with its senses clustering around "force" and "protection".

The implausible name should be enuf to show this is a hoax, IMO.
--Jerzy (t) 18:14, 2004 Sep 10 (UTC)