User talk:Ping

Thanks for the fantastic articles on the various Maori Wars! As a fellow New Zealander I'm sort of ashamed I don't know more about them (aside from Maurice Shadbolt novels...). Keep up the great work Lisiate 20:52 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The Imperial Troops and then later the Colonial Forces never captured a completed and defended Pa but they did learn how to neutralise the problem. Although cheap and easy to build a Modern Pa did require a significant input of labour and resouces. By the wholesale destruction of the Maori economic base, the destruction of the society itself, they were sometimes able to them unaaffordable. This was the reasoning behind the bush scouring expeditions of Chute and McDonnell in the Second Taranaki War.

This is a very strong statement Ping, and in fact I don't think this language can be justified. As far as I know there was never any attempt to bring about either "the wholesale destruction of the Maori economic base" or "the destruction of the society itself". Both of these things would have required a nationwide campaign. Yet none of the campaigns in the maori wars was ever truly nationwide in scope. Both of these things would have required a policy of attack on maori civilian (non-combatant) populations away from the area of immediate conflict. That never happened, indeed almost all of the fighting occurred around fortified pa, and the British aim seems to have always been to achieve a 'decisive' military victory by defeating maori combatants in the field. Wouldn't it much more accurate to describe these bush scouring campaigns as simply efforts to cut off supply lines. The language you are using suggests a campaign of genocide. hawthorn

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Hi Ping, I've added a link to Te Kooti's bio in your excellent new page on Te Kooti's War and links to Maurice Shadbolt's novel and the movie Utu (which I think borrows some scenes/themes from it). Hope you don't mind. Lisiate 09:17 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Re your comment on my page, I may have got the two mixed up. Have you already done an article on VOlkner? If so we should probably move the movie reference there. My recollection of the movie is also pretty hazy, but I remember thinking some of Te Wheke's raids reminded me of Te Kooti and the movie seems to me to be based in the East Coast region. Lisiate 09:26 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi Ping I belatedly came across your comments on Talk:Maori culture. The article is a good start as you say, but I have a couple of niggles, especially with the first sentence. If I do an edit, and let you know when I do, could you have a look to see if I have managed to put it in better perspective or whether it should remain as is? I've put this (your) page on watch, so please answer here. Cheers. Moriori 21:04, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Morning,

As for Duncan Cameron (general); in my opinion, the article as is stands is not badly POV in any means, especially compared to really bad examples. However, couple of things could be voiced somewhat differently.

It is clear in the third paragraph that the views expressed are those of the governor. However, in the previous paragraph there is part the Maori had the temerity to insist on their independence when it is not clear yet that this was probably his view as well.

One historian at least believes - who? It sounds as if it may not be widely accepted view (although it may be based on accurate data - popularity need not to have anything to do with accuracy). What reasons the historian gives for his conclusion? And if he/she (or anybody else, for that matter) has written a book about Cameron, you could include it at the end of the article as a further reading.

The article does display the somewhat common pro-soldier-anti-politician attitude (which I do share in some extent, by the way :-7 but...). If you could include some details - for example add examples of the worsening relationship between Cameron and the governor, specifics about what exactly they disagreed - that could both increase the amount of information and let the reader see the specific reasons why Cameron's attitudes may have been justified.

Sorry for the nitpicking and semanticisim. I also cleared some typos. - Nilmerg 09:51, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Maori intermarriage

Thanks for the comment. I was aware of the high rate of intermarriage among the Maori community, I didn't realize that there is considered to be a high rate among the Pakeha. It is amazing that little research has been done on this. I understand that there is a study due to come out soon based on the 1996 census. Could provide some interesting information. Rmhermen 12:38, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

I just looked through the Maori article and found it didn't even mention intermarriage. Do you think you could add something? Rmhermen 13:19, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

More Maori matters

Hello again. On my Talk page you wrote:
"I was just having a look at the article, Maori in response to your recent edit and noticed again the paragraph on Maori and Lego/Denmark. I am not familiar with the incident, never heard of it until I read it here. But I wondered if it had been serious enough to include in this article? Or is there possible another, more "central" example of this issue?"
I had heard of it (possibly on National Radio). There probably are more central examples, such as biopiracy - the patenting of medicinal plants or varieties. BUT now that we have a separate page for Maori culture they and the Lego should probably be moved/collected there.
Talking of tangata whenua, how are your surreptitious visits to the local lingo site getting on? Feel like adding to some lists? Kia ora! - Robin Patterson 20:27, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have nobly resisted pestering you for a couple of weeks, Ping. Now how about getting back to your third listed interest and really celebrating Maori Language Week by coming over and adding or correcting a few phrases on some of the short pages on the Maori WP? Or a simple addition to a list, as I suggested earlier? Kia ora, e hoa. Robin Patterson 01:26, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Your Maori-speaking ability sounds as if it's ahead of mine! E noho ra. Robin Patterson 20:20, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sympson the Joiner

Sympson the Joiner survived VfD with two Del votes (including the nomination to VfD), three explicit Keep votes, and two arguable implicit Keeps (via mentions of Cleanup).
In accord with severalWP:CU mentions, it
1. went on,
2. got a one-word M(inor) edit after 18 minutes, and
3. was kicked off by one editor after 14 hours, with summary "nothing more is likely to turn up".
Your comment at Talk:Sympson the Joiner#Should this be Merged? would assist me in determining what next.

--Jerzy (t) 04:25, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)

Deletion

Yes, sorry about that. I saw that it was not listed, and thought perhaps you inadvertantly forgot to list. Thanks. Fuzheado | Talk 08:33, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

=="Maori Wars" articles now in category==

Hi Ping - great articles on the Maori Wars... a little PoV in places, but it's a difficult subject to stay 100% "Kupapa" on that subject. There's a new category for them (Category: New Zealand land wars). I think I've caught all the articles and categorised them, but I may have missed some - any chance you could see whether there are any you've done that I've missed? Also any of the Maori leaders of the wars that you've written articles on: they should be in the Category: Maori people. Again, i think I've caught most of them, but you might spot some that I've missed! Cheers (and keep up the good work!) Grutness 06:50, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)