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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Dale Arnett (talk | contribs) at 22:55, 29 November 2004 (College football: Compromise, anyone?). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

College football

OK, first, unrelated, why does this redirect to Talk:August 2004 in sports? Just wondering.

The next time this page is moved, please don't move the associated talk page with it, please. :)

Anyways, I hesitated adding the college football bowl schedule at first because I know it's a number of games. I finally decided to do so (although, apparently not everyone feels the same way), but here's my reasoning:

  1. All other sports have their playoffs/postseasons added to the list, college football should have theirs listed as well. Even if the system is lengthy, complicated and nonsensical (which it is).
  2. It's December and the number of events running at this time of year is minimal and, thus, having some more events should be a good thing. Similarly, half of the events happen on three days and the list will be nearly empty again come January 2.
  3. If your argument includes that you don't think college football is important or is a dumb, Ameri-centric sport, bear in that I probably think your favorite sport is dumb, too. However, I have come to realize that not everybody thinks the same way, and I leave cricket, boxing, snooker, etc. alone because of that. So, I hope you extend sports I follow the same courtesy that I extend sports that you follow.
  4. Finally, I'd rather not trim the number of bowl games down because then that's making a determination as to which games are important and which aren't. Each one is important (at the very least) to the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of students, alumni, etc.

Anyways, I don't want to get into a revert war or anything, but I wanted to outline my rationale somewhere since there's not enough room in the edit summary. RADICALBENDER

I'm going to revert again. If every sports fan did what you are doing with their favourite sport, we'd soon get a very long, and very useless list. It's easy to find events that attract tens of thousands of sports (every match in the Premier League in the UK would count). There are too many "big" games around the world, and I'm against setting a bad precedent. I've left in the Rose Bowl, as I know it's a big one. Add one or two others, but please, no more. As an alternative you could merge them all into a one-liner: "American football: College Bowls" maybe. [User:Jongarrettuk|jguk]] 19:59, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Except, that the bowl games are "postseason" for college football. I'm not suggesting to add every important game in every important league worldwide, but the "playoffs" in all sports should count for something worth listing. RADICALBENDER 20:40, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
So list them all under a one-liner: "American football: College Bowls", with the link going to a detailed list of them. A policy of listing every "playoff" is also too US-biased since the US has many of them, other countries, not so much. jguk 20:56, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have an idea for a compromise on the bowl games: List the BCS games, which are the most important games each year. Keep in mind that the national championship game rotates between these bowls every year; for example, the Orange Bowl is this year's championship game. Dale Arnett 22:55, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)