Template talk:Antisemitism sidebar

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The template editing navigation bar is not required in Templates, and is clearly a bad idea here. The Anti-Semitism template is not one that is likely to need editing very often, but is one that is likely to attract vandals of a, well, anti-Semitic kind. I note that Ben Houston has stated he has the Template on his watchlist, and implied that he is prepared to guard the template from vandalism 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. However, as he is well aware, few people edit for those kinds of prolonged stretches; indeed, someone who does is likely to have Ben accuse them of being some sort of committee or team, and ask for them to be CheckUsered. In fact, user Ben Houston seems rather free with the accusations of "teams" doing various things, including reverting this template. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care what you do with the template, but claiming you can 3RR people for "tag-team reverting" is stupid. Tag-team reverting, as you call it, is the functional manifestation of a significant disagreement with your change, and a sign you should discuss the idea first. --tjstrf 23:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TNavbars encourage participation, and Wikipedia explicitly accepts that some vandalism will occur because of its open model but acknowledges and accepts that sacrifice as necessary and worth it. All related templates that I could find have tnavbars (see Template:Israel-Palestinian Conflict, Template:Arab-Israeli conflict, and Template:Jew, etc) and even contentious subject templates such as Template:ScientologySeries and Template:Abortion have tnavbars. I strongly believe that it is because I made the addition that it is all of a sudden not allowed on this template. --Ben Houston 23:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a reasonably objective viewer (I have, like, 3 edits to Israel-Palestine-Jew anything) I believe Houston's proposed change would do no harm. You can hardly even see the little links it adds to start with, few drive-by vandals would notice the little tiny 3pt letters. It wouldn't really help anything either, but just letting him add them is probably the simplest solution to this problem. --tjstrf 23:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like vandals don't need the edit macro to vandalize the template. It is clear that this is not a random or an anti-Semitic vandal (as per your fears) but rather someone moderately sophisticated who knows of the editors involved. The vandalism lasted 3 minutes btw. --Ben Houston 11:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's not a random vandal, but a stalker who was drawn here, intent on harassing because of the attention you have drawn to this. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How interesting that Bhouston implies that "someone moderately sophisticated who knows of the editors involved" is ipso facto not an anti-Semitic vandal. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could have been anti-Semitic, it seemed overly stereotypical, the edit summary was too referential and strangely that account was made weeks before it made that single edit -- it came across as more as how Jayjg described him/her than an anti-Semitic vandal, but you are right that motivates can be multiple. I suggest that someone with blocking powers block it. And yeah, its probably best from your position to make tangential insinuations than deal with the actual content of the dispute. --Bhouston 19:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fairly certain that our friend Jay here checkuser'd the account. If this assumption is correction, I would also bet that he shared results with our friend SlimVirgin here. Both users are familiar with me, and have their own opinions of me, as do many wiki-users. Sadly. those opinions are often based in ignorance. Suffice it to say that I am not an anti-semite, nor was I stalking anyone, although I have partaken in my share of trolling. I just happened to spot a trace of the revert war when perusing recent changes (which is how I prefer to read and edit wikis), and thought it would be lol to come and vandalize it. I am quite familiar with both Slim and Jay, and although I feel I've resolved my personal conflicts with them, I am also aware of their coordinated attempts to control content relevent to their interests. Whether this is PoV pushing or not, I have yet to evaluate. (It appears not to be,to be truthful, but still rather suspicious, and disruptive in its own right). Anyway, that's all I'll say on this subject for the moment. --Collateral Damage 01:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My guess — and I can only guess, your allegations notwithstanding — is that he has not check-usered you, because you're almost certainly a banned editor or a deceptive sock, so if he'd done a check user, you'd likely be blocked by now. My speculation, of course. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I do suppose that it is possible that he did not. I thought that someone had just neglected to block me, as I kinda took it as a given that the account would be easily identified as a sleeper account of either a vandal or a troll. (Your presumption that I am a sock of a banned editor is, fyi, right on the dot, and to be frank, I'm surprised this account is not already blocked). --Collateral Damage 01:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I admire your honesty. Care to say which banned editor? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You couldn't tell? On another note, I'm actually quite pleasantly surprised at how cordial this discussion has been, despite the other overtones. Quite a different experience than I recall. Anyway, I must be going now. Work and all that. --Collateral Damage 02:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a minor edit and I'll leave it now, since pushing it further would risk WP:POINT. But still, I didn't cause the conflict by myself, you and SlimVirgin insisted on repeatedly reverting my minor and harmless change based on my continued exclusion from a set of articles that appear to have been chosen arbitrarily by SlimVirgin. Like most of the changes I have pushed for in the NAS article, I expect this template to incorporate my minor but simply logically suggestion eventually anyhow. --Bhouston 19:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]