Talk:Heroes (American TV series)

Archived

In an effort to clean up this talk page I've archived most of the discussions. Going forward please keep all discussions specific to characters confined to the talk page for that character and try not to make duplicate sections (IE we dont need 5 seperate discussions of the symbol.-- Argash | talk | contribs 04:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Heroin and Morphine

I editted Isaac's power entry to 'Morphine-induced precognition'. Peter duplicated this power, when he was in the hospital in the second episode. Obviously, the hospital didn't give him heroin, but morphine's a possibility. In addition, heroin breaks down into morphine in the body, so it must be morphine that's doing the trick.64.247.206.184 18:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Do we know FOR SURE that it's JUST morphine? For all we know, he could have a few Red Bulls and blackout and paint the future. he could have a bottle of Jaegermeister and do the same. He could smoke some weed and do it. Has the show or the creator of the show said implicitly that it is morphine-induced only? User:Rihk 19:25, 16, October 2006 (UTC)

Peter also drew the future. He didn't take heroin. He was in a hospital. Morphine is the logical link between Peter in his situation and Isaac's heroin.64.247.206.184 22:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The question is, why does it have to just be the one drug that can trigger the ability? Who says it can't be triggered by ANY drug that alters his mental state? I think more information is needed before we can say for certain that morphine/heroin is narrowly responsible for the visions. Applejuicefool 15:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't to because it's the only time we've seen any precognition? Don't get me wrong, I'm open to leave it at precognition, but that would be speculating above and beyond what the characters know, and what the viewers know. --DJ Chair 16:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be speculating to say he has just "precognition", just as it would be speculating to say he has "morphine-triggered precognition". We know that morphine and/or heroin are triggers, but we don't know for certain that they are the only triggers. I think it's likely that the altered mental state is what actually triggers the precognition, not narrow chemical triggers related to one specific drug. Applejuicefool 20:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It's really not drug enduced. This episode proves it, since neither character was on anything. Just because Isaac doesn't know this yet, doesn't make it not true.

Supporting Characters

We need a brief list or chart for the major supporting characters. Each of the 'heroes' seems to have one, well, sidekick, for lack of a better term. In each case, there is enough information to justify a single line chart entry. Prefacing the chart with a link to the main article is fine, but this page should be the main page for the subject, and not a long set of sub-page links. ThuranX 01:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, X. Is there enough info for such a wikitable? And, quite frankly, what's wrong with a few subpage links? Characters are usually spun off into their own article(s) with a brief summary of that article's content, anyway. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

A few, nothing. but this entire page consists of one highly conflict oriented table and a stack of links. It should be about far more. ThuranX 02:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright. I'll take another look at the page as a whole. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, X. I just couldn't think of a way to make it work. The whole issue is summarization. The main wikitable, for all the fighting, is the only thing that seems to work, excluding the occapution field. What you acting for is the very stuff we split off to avoid crowding. In Sylar's case, a summary on top of a summary. I've tried to wrap my mind around short descriptions, like the ones for characters currently without articles. I dunno. Maybe we should just put all the characters in one article and extend the main wikitable to all characters, possibly with the addition of a "relatives" field. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

At one time, we had most ofthe truly major characters in there... then it got filled withthe dog and so on. we DO need some major non-powered peopel in the main characters box, like Claire's step-dad. We also really ought to have Ando, Zack, and so on in there. these aren't the incidental folks, but major players in the game, appearing in all episodes so far. They've played serious parts in advancing the plots, and so on. ThuranX 03:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Monticeto

When Hiro and Ando got thrown out of the casino, the sign clearly said "Monticeto". I know that the interior was different, but the sign was there. I put this in a trivia section, and someone took it off, claiming that it wasn't the Monticeto.--Radaar 05:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

That would be ACE, he does that from time to time, he's a bit of a fanatic about certain things. However, I just read up on Hiro's blog, and he does in fact mention that it is the Monticeto. Someone should add it back to either his page, or the episode page with a reference back to his specific blog post. --DJ Chair 16:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

at least get the spelling right. Montecito. Rihk 02:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Chandra Suresh

i think we need to be careful about saying that chandra is portrayed by eric avari. episode #4 began with the "previously on heroes" and we see the back of the "activating evolution" book. the picture is not of eric avari. actually, now that i think about it, hasn't the name of the book also changed? didn't it used to be advancing evolution or advancing genetics or something like that? when i tivo'd and paused on the front of the book (in the "previouse on heroes" part of episode 4), it said activating evolution. --Sdp4408 05:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Graphic Novel Easter Eggs

I can understand the first three easter eggs since they are located on the NBC website. Yet, the fourth one I believe is just an advertisement for a fan site. It is located on MySpace and not on NBC.com, so I am having a hard time buying it. --Pinkkeith 17:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

If you view the fourth comic on-line (not PDF) and click on a page, it brings up that MySpace page in a new window. A number of media companies are using MySpace now, usually in conjunction with a more traditional website (e.g. at "www.moviename.com" or "www.studio.com/moviename"). For example, the movie Accepted has a site here, and John Tucker Must Die has one here.

I recently saw an TV commercial for a movie (I forget which one) that actually used a MySpace URL as their official site (which rather surprised me at the time), but I guess it is getting to be more common. It is, after all, great viral marketing... if someone adds "Movie" or "Character" as a friend, the link shows up on their page as well, and gets spread around.

--Psiphiorg 18:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Yup, my guess is that the page is affiliated with either NBC or the production company. youngamerican (yo) 20:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Occupation field

In the main character section, the occupation field of the wikitable has been repeatedly removed and re-added. Can we get a consensus on this? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer to see it kept. The politician's career certainly explains some of his connections to Linderman and so on, as does Niki's in conjunction with her location. Other character's careers may serve to explain, in simple general terms, more about their personas. Frankly, I get irritated every time I see it removed, and considering the editing blizzard since last night's episode, had thought to raise that very issue tonight. Glad you have beaten me to it. ThuranX 23:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

From the definition of occupation to the flucuation of information, the field has been nothing but trouble. Is is jobs or just activities/substitutes? How should someone be listed after they've quit their job? Should we really get out of our way to list character-specific information that is bound to change on the main page? Et cetera, et cetera. Yes, it was in the press releases. Yes, it might help clarify who's who and what not, but honestly, are the limited benefits worth the unlimited and unavoidable problems? The Table itself is still a big issue, why make it worse? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Simple. Use the most basic... Student, Cam Girl (not whore, which is not what's going on, there's no exchange of physical intercourse for compensation), Unemployed homecare nurse, salaryman, Artist, etc. There are always going to be editors with tiny minds and pin-heads who want to fill it out in ridiculous, usually uncited fashion, and in that regard, this page will be no different than any number of pages here on Wiki. This is the main page for this show, but right now, it's a trainwreck of linky, info-less bad-sucky-ness. I think that filling out the charts is one of the steps needed for it. I also think, as I've already said, that a brief chart identifying the sidekicks, villians and Dr. Suresh, whose research started the events (not self-discoveries) off, should be mentioned on this page more prominently.ThuranX 23:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I feel that incorporating it into the main page isn't a bad idea, however, we should note some consistency (i.e. Claire and Micah don't work, so should it read "Unemployed" or list them as students?) Furthermore, Niki is actually a Cam Whore, if you look up the definition of Cam Whore, you'll see that it doesn't necessitate "physical" intimacy (especially as it's over the 'net.) Cam Whores usually get compensated by cash (which we've seen in the first episode) or gifts from online stores, i.e. Amazon.com, for flashing some skin. It's not a pretty term, but it's fitting in a world of technological advances... sadly, you can find a lot of cam whores that are underage on the web (sometimes mommys and daddys shouldn't be so willing to allow little Sally to use her computer in her room... you never really know what's going on.)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DJ Chair (talk • contribs) 10:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It's more polite and no less accurate to use 'cam Girl', first off. Second, students should be called students. truly unemployed can be called such, however no one in the show is 'unemployed'. Peter is a former nurse, who quit in part due to his growing awareness of his powers within the context of the show, so 'former nurse' fits the character's situation within the context better. I think the column should return to the chart post-haste, however. It's useful for summarizing the characters more fully. ThuranX 23:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Listen, I'm not going to debate the politeness of cam girl to cam whore. I frankly believe it's an ugly term; however, until Cam girl has a wiki article that offers more accurate information as compared to Cam whore without getting redirected, I think we should call her what she is. --DJ Chair 08:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

This field was deleted by someone with no explanation why it was done so. --Pinkkeith 18:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I've put it back in. I also added a picture column. Elliskev 00:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I like having the photo there, I wonder how long it's going to take before someone reverts it without good cause. --DJ Chair 08:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

End of episode "twists"

So far every episode has ended with a twist usually a pretty big one; HRG comming home and turning out to be Clairs dad, Clair waking up on the coroners table, Hiro comming back from the future ect... if this trend continues it might be worth noting in the main article. I say this as it seems to be unique among other over arching shows such as 24, Veronica Mars, BSG non of which use a similar technique. -- Argash | talk | contribs 08:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I heard on the news the other day that tv shows are becoming more and more expensive to create. These days, if its not a gritty police drama or a "heartstopping" thriller show like 24, House, The Nine, Heroes, Lost, ect, it just won't get enough ratings. of course i dont have a source for this, but whatever. dposse 21:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

the symbol

i haven't personally noticed this reaccurring symbol. can someone please get a few pictures of it on the article? thanks. dposse 13:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Kudos to the person who posted the image of the symbol. I was wondering which episode this was taken from since it was posted as a screen shot. It looks like one of Isaac Mendez's paintings. --Pinkkeith 18:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Character Ages

Should we delete this section all together, because the characters will age as the series progresses. Clair's age on the NBC site lists her as 17 years old while on the myspace page it has her listed as 18 years old. --Pinkkeith 16:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I would have to disagree with you here, I think that we should recognize NBC as being the primary information holder, and only officially endorsed sites should be used to alter or add information. So, while the NBC site and the episodes are okay sources for information, a MySpace account (that anyone can create) should be viewed as unofficial, and potentially harmful for information gathering efforts. --DJ Chair 17:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

First off, the myspace site was created by the creator of the show. Yet, that's not the point. The point is that it should be changed to "born on" rather then "age" since age will change and need to be constantly updated. --Pinkkeith 17:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you verify that the MySpace account was in fact created by the creator? Furthermore, until someone else rules on this, I will presume that since Wikipedia is a temporal website, we shouldn't bother being concerned with changing her age, because the only official reference that so far has been uncovered reflecting her age is the NBC site. What do others think? Is age important, and should we use the official site or a site that has had a deplorable past on verifying the age and identity of those who register on it? --DJ Chair 18:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It's linked as an easter egg off of the Claire Bennet web comic, which implies some kind of official endorsement, at least. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 18:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I was assuming that it was created by the creator of the show, but there is little doubt that it is endorsed by NBC. I thought it was a fan creation myself until I saw the Easter Egg. I think that a birth date should be given since it is static. Sure wiki can be changed, but why go in and change it all the time if you can just put in a birth date? I don't know of any other people (fictional or otherwise) that say how old someone is right now. They just mention when they were born. --Pinkkeith 18:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The myspace site is handle by people in the writer's office (though not the creator himself). Claire's age is listed as "18" because myspace restricts access to profiles of minors. Ollie 19:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

There's going to be no need to change the age for a long time. A recent TV Guide interview indicated that "November 8th" in the show world will likely not occur until the end of the season, so any aging will be minimal. Even if you don't trust TV guide, all the episodes so far have taken up a week at most. Ages are fine - if NBC updates the official profile, then we can change them. Until then, I don't see any need to worry about it. --dws90 01:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

D.L. Hawkins

Who is D.L. Hawkins? --Brown Shoes22 05:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Feh. Gods of Wikipedia, forgive me. Ahem.

D.L. Hawkins is a fictional character in the TV series Heroes. He is wanted criminal man with the power to phase through solid objects. He is also the father of Micah Sanders and estranged husband of Niki Sanders. He ran with a crew of men who all wore skull rings.

As of the third episode, his mother Paulette and son have both apparently been in contact with him, and believe he is innocent. He has also escaped prison. He will be appearing in the next/fifth episode, as stated in TV Guide. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism

It appears that heroeswiki.com has plaigrised episode synopsies from Wikipedia, specificly: Genesis has been lifted and put: here. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 11:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

What can we do about it? dposse 15:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Under the terms of the GFDL, they're supposed to acknowledge the source. Someone should send them a Wikipedia:Standard GFDL violation letter if they haven't. This one in particular is useful for someone who has actually contributed to the article to complain. It may be worth sending. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

All seems fine now, theyve acknowledged wikipedia as the source (-: thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

There isn't copy right protection on wiki articles. All of the articles are part of public domain. --Pinkkeith 13:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No, there licensed under the GFDL for exampel the edit box:

Content that violates any copyright will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL.

You can read: Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License, and Wikipedia:Copyrights as well . thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

That's a copyright for the software, not the content of the articles. --Pinkkeith 14:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

.... No its not read this again: "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content: first line, "The text contained in Wikipedia is licensed to the public under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL)." --Pinkkeith 14:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. The text is licensed under the terms of the GFDL, which requires acknowledgment of sources for verbatim copying, under Section 2 of the license. It is not public domain in the legal sense of the word. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I understand now. --Pinkkeith 14:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

incorrect names on NBC site

Why is it that on the NBC website some of the characters names are misspelled on the interactive parts of the site. For example if you click on Simone and then go to her journal, her last name is spelled "Devere" instead of "Deveaux" and then Isaac last name is, instead of "Mendez", all of a sudden "Barolo". Who the hell was writing this up? 69.119.252.174 18:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Hiro needs to stop messing with the time travel! ;) (unsigned comment)

Most likely, the NBC site was based on an early draft of the pilot episode. Character names often change from the first draft to the final episode. Sometimes it's because of casting (for example, the doctor on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was named Julian Amaros early on, but then changed to Julian Bashir after Siddig el Fadil was cast in the role); other times there are legal reasons (for example, the captain on Enterprise was names Jackson Archer in early drafts, but after a name search revealed that there was exactly one "Jackson Archer" living in the U.S. at the time, the name was changed to Jonathan Archer, because there are more of them); and other times just because the producers/writers changed their minds about the name of the character. I don't know the reasons behind these particular changes, though. --Psiphiorg 20:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

That would also explain why the ages are incorrect on there too. :) --Pinkkeith 20:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Mohinder's occupation

My change of Mohinder's occupation to 'Professor' was reverted. I disagree with the change to 'Cab driver', but I do understand the reasoning.

I think we should go with the occupation most relevant to the character. 'Cab driver' is incidental, and we don't even know if that 'job' lasted after the encounter with Mr. Bennett. Mohinder's background as a paranormal geneticist (or whatever) is much more relevant to his role in the story.

Thoughts? Elliskev 17:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

On the NBC website, Mohinder's occupation is described as "genetics professor," and that's how he describes himself on the show. Primogen 22:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Since I have a legitimate reference for what Mohinder's occupation is, I changed it on the article and included the citation. Primogen 23:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Connections to LOST universe

it has been proposed here the creators of LOST and Heroes (who worked together) are invovled in a secret collaboration and that the shows exsist within the same universe. Couldn't find more into to cite, what do you think?

Unless one of them says that it is true or something, it's something that is reserved to forums. JQF 18:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

More searching found it actually cited here, which the other article indicated, but the acknowledgement is tongue in cheek at best. InfoMage

I remember when Magnum PI and Simon & Simon did a cross over episode, so it is not unheard of. Yet, they were both on CBS and Heroes is on NBC and Lost is on ABC. I can't see this happening. --Pinkkeith 19:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The Practice (ABC) and Ally McBeal (Fox) did a crossover once, and I think someone from The Practice appeared on Boston Public (Fox) as well. Those were all David E. Kelley shows. However, I seem to recall Fox affiliates being upset that the Ally McBeal story was going to be continued on ABC the same night, because that was expected to cut into local programming at 9pm (10pm ET/PT). So I imagine that the networks would look at the affiliate anger in that situation as a drawback to any sort of direct crossover.

--Psiphiorg 20:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Similarly David E. Kelley tried to do a crossover between Picket Fences and the X-Files (which wasn't his show but he was a fan) and the networks nixed it (or at least one of them did). I agree with the above person who said to wait for confirmation from one of the two shows before it's added to the article though, until then it's rumor only. -Markeer 21:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear frickin' lord, don't start more of this crap. ThuranX 18:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

So the pilot from LOST gets killed by a monster and then goes on to be a cop somehow. Or does he quit being a cop and become a pilot and get killed by the monster? --67.23.10.201 09:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Supporting characters names from credits info?

The names of some important supporting characters are given in credit information presented in, for instance, the TV.com site. Peter and Nathan's mom is Angela Petrelli, Claire's brother is Lyle Bennett, for instance. Should we add this to the characters' stats? Currently it says Peter has an "unnamed mother"... Renenarciso 02:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I'll take a look and make the corrections. Still, don't trust TV.com for everything. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 03:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

imdb.com also has the credits for the episodes. Renenarciso 00:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but everybody and their mother can edit imdb. It should no more be used as an authoritative source than Wikipedia should... perhaps even less so, since at least Wikipedia lets you see who added the information, and you can cite sources.

--Psiphiorg 01:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Save the Cheerleader. Save the world.

See also: Talk:Claire_Bennet § Save_the_cheerleader._Save_the_world.

Yes, i know i already created this topic and someone moved it. However, things are different now. "Save the cheerleader, Save the world" is, as of the episode "Hiro's", now a huge part of the Heroes series. It, as of episode "Hiro's", involves Future Hiro, the Painter, Peter, Mohinder Suresh, Hiro, and Ando Masahash. Oh, and not to mention the cheerleader herself, Clarie. So, where should this infomation go? It's bigger than one persons character page. dposse 02:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If it's important enough, and actually does involve a major plot point of the show involving multiple characters, why not on the show's main article? Rihk 02:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed this needs to go in the main article but not sure what format it should go in or where but it deffinatly needs to be there somewhere-- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  08:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It should probably go somewhere under Synopsis. JQF 17:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Stories with premises similiar to Heroes

Rising Stars

The premise of Heroes among us is not a new idea and has been explored in comic books such as Rising Stars and the wikipedia page for rising stars includes a reference to Heroes. I'm not sure how or where best to add it but I encourage someone to add a mention in the main article. Horkana 04:45, 10 January 2025 UTC [refresh]

We had a section listing various stories similar in premise, but ulimately the list was too big and not focused enough on the TV series to be included in the article. I still think a separate article or category should be made, though. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Bug? / Viral Ad?

Not sure if it is a bug with my DVR or if it was done on purpose. Was watching Heroes on 10/23 on the RCN DVR on NBC. I tried to fast forward through the commercial and once it got to the commercial for Deja Vu the movie, it stopped and asked me if I wanted to stop the play back. I hit no and it goes to the beginning of the Deja Vu commercial. Anytime I try to fast forward after that it pops up the same message and when I say no, it goes back to the Deja Vu commercial. Pretty freaky. Anyone else see this? Or is this just a bug on my DVR Tazzy531 04:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll check it out when I get home in the morning that sounds like a pretty ingenious ad though if it's true. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  05:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

fixed the character promo photos

for those that didn't notice the photo of clair/hayden was removed for not being properly sourced. I have fixed this issue on her photo as well as on several of the other cast members. Also while doing this i noticed that most were improperly licensed as screenshots, I have fixed all of those to properly use the promophoto license. this is just a friendly reminder to make sure you properly source all media and apply the proper licensing to it. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  08:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)