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TV Ratings Rankings

The ratings section is interesting (and I'd love to see this be more of a standard feature for all wikipedia TV show pages), but it's meaningless without context. I've tried to dig up the actual ranking for each Stuido 60 episode, but could only find data for 3 of the 5 episodes. I mean, it's one thing to say that Episode 5 got a 5.3/8 rating, but another to say it was #51 of all prime-time TV shows. Unfortunately, very few sites actually sort the weekly ratings into a ranked list (the LA Times seems to be the only one that does it reliably).

I won't be able to keep this up week-to-week, however, but hopefully those adding new episodes to the chart will be able to find the ranking as well as the ratings.Dschuetz 12:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I found data for the premiere episode, and also added a column for total viewers, rough (and probably not super-helpful) explanation of rating/share/ranking, and source for the ranking/viewer numbers. I'm not sure where the other data was sourced from.Dschuetz 13:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edinburgh TV Festival

I thought this might be of interest to someone experienced with successfuly editing a Wiki entry:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds35484.html

"West Wing creator Aaron Sorkin is to speak at this year's Edinburgh TV Festival.

Sorkin will appear via satellite-link to discuss his new drama series Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, along with fellow exec producer Thomas Schlamme.

The pilot episode will then be screened to delegates and - for the first time - to the general public on a giant screen outside the International Conference Centre"

- I went ahead and added the information myself. I apologise for any syntactic errors in advance.

Studio 60 News Blog

Why did someone delete the News Blog? It's the most informative of the links up there. I'm putting it back up.

I deleted it because I was under the impression that someone was trying to pass it off as official, when it's clearly a fan project. However, upon rethinking my actions, that was a conclusion I jumped to earlier than was called for. I've retitled the link now however, to clarify that it is unofficial.

"See also" is redundant

The "See also" section is redundant. All of these Sorkin related shows are wikilinked above, and we don't need to have all this detail (directors, actors, etc) in an article that is about "Studio 60..." I propose it be deleted. --mtz206 03:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and I removed it. Feel free to be bold and take action yourself in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrahameS (talk • contribs) 08:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See also

GrahameS 08:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wilson White

Wilson White has been cast; he'll be played by Ed Asner.

Major Roles

Are we sure these should all be considered major roles? In reading the pilot... Wilson White doesn't seem like that big of a part. I think the only actual, title-sequence cast members are: Whitford, Perry, Peet, Paulson, Hughley, Corddry, Busfield and Weber. The rest should be supporting, shouldn't they?

Studio 60 Forums

Does anybody mind I keep taking the link down? Aside from our anonymous friend? -MBlume 20:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are links to way too many "fan sites and forums". One or two (or none) should suffice. --Fred Bradstadt 20:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Now I look at the list...it's difficult. The fanbase hasn't crystalized because there's no show. Maybe just delete them all? I dunno, I'll look at this again after my final tomorrow morning =) -MBlume 06:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the fan sites should be deleted. Most are for self-promotion. -- Scjessey 17:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why *all* the fan sites need deletion, although I do think the amount should be thinned down. The West Wing, and plenty of other shows, have fan sites up. Maybe one of each type... news blog, website, forum?--152.163.101.9 03:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done:

-MBlume 04:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links should conform to Wikipedia:External Links. I have removed several other improper links. Erechtheus 19:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Running Time

Running time had "60 min." listed, but upon checking The West Wing and Friends, I noticed that those pages included the actual running time of ONLY the show, not the duration of the timeslot. I clarified this in the infobox for now, but does anyone know what the actual running time of the show will be? West Wing was 42 minutes, but I'm not sure if that's standard. --Fumo7887 14:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

42 is standard, but I'm not sure if that's what Studio 60 specifically will run. Adding up the durations of the (removed) five parts of the pilot episode on YouTube gives a time of 46:54. skeeJay 01:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The run times on the first four episodes (based on the iTunes version) were 45:42, 42:59, 42:20, and 41:39. I propose "Run time: approximately 42 minutes per episode" based on that. --Kcarlin 00:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Show's Logo/Title Card

Although I haven't seen the pilot, from material that I have seen, the cirlce Studio 60 logo (currently featured on the article page) seems to be the logo for the fictional Studio 60 show. All of the promotional material I have seen from NBC (including the official site) seems to have the rectangle logo (with the 60 in a seperate box.) Is the wrong logo being featured here or am I misinterpreting things?

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Though the pilot that has made its way around the Internet had no titles I think it's safe to assume that the circular logo is not the logo for the show we will be watching this time in October, rather the show-within-a-show. It should be reverted to the rectangular logo (at least until the show goes on air when we can see for certain). 195.93.21.133 19:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
With all the pre-showings and that Netflix thing, I assumed that someone else must have seen it by now and put it up from the episode.--Attitude2000 20:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just watched it on AOL and they do indeed use the circle logo as the title card. I guess the rectangle was promotional only. —Fumo7887 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The pilot has been aired in Canada, and the title card has changed to the rectangular logo: I've changed picture on the page to a screenshot of this, [1], and i've uploaded another one as well, [2]. Codam1 17:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From what I could see, the rectangular logo was first seen on a monitor in the control room when White is finally cut off, transitioning such that the opening for the show-within-the-show goes into the opening for the show itself which uses the same logo. I did see a circular logo used in the show on the exterior of the Studio 60 building. -- Hawaiian717 05:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced the title card with a high-res logo. Hope no one minds. --NobleArc 23:32:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creators

Has it been confirmed that Thomas Schlamme is a co-creator? Just wondering, since everything I read states Aaron Sorkin as the creator/producer/writer and Schlamme as the executive producer and director. Sfufan2005 02:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Premiere date

I would like to point out that the premiere date for the show is wrong. It will actually premiere in Canada on CTV on September 17, one day before the American premiere. NorthernThunder 22:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Premiere on Sep 18?

Can anybody find an authoritative cite on the statement that the show premieres on Sep 18? My google-fu must be weak today: I've searched the net, including the show's official site, and can't find any authoritative info on when the show premieres. SnappingTurtle 17:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was pretty hard to find, but I found it on the NBC media site (nbcmv.com). I'm adding a cite to the article now. GrahameS 23:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good job! Thanks! SnappingTurtle 19:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reaction section

I started a new section for critical reviews and public reactoin (ie ratings) for the show and stuck in some stuff about anticipation for the show since it hasn't aired yet. If anyone can think of a more elegant way to do this that would be great. GrahameS 02:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

People keep saying "public reaction was mixed" due to "anti-Christian bias." There's no evidence for that at all, so unless you find some, don't add it to the article. GrahameS 05:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think some people might find the 700 Club Section Anti-Christian. I like to think of it as anti-idiot. (And I am Roman Catholic!) EnsRedShirt 09:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Character Images

Anyone up for the addition of promotional images of the main characters? I'm always one for their inclusion on television show wikis, makes them tie back to the original visual media. This is, er, if anyone is willing to do it quicker than me! I've only been an incidental contributor to Wikipedia for about three months now and I still haven't gotten round to learning how to upload images - I'm also incredibly scared of breaking copyright protocols and treading on everyone elses toes (hey, randomly wading in and re-typing stuff is one thing - as is often the case, everyone is more than willing to go in and edit as they feel. But pictures? That's a bit more substantial!) "...David, it's over to you." alliance14 00:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


In The Future?

During the beginning of the pilot it says that Studio 60 was in its 20th season and they said it started in 1996. So that means that they're in the year 2016. Am I missing something?--70.60.0.70 23:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listen to it again...it sounds a bit like 1996 but he actually says 1986. GrahameS 01:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move Guest Hosts/Musical Guests

I suggest we move the guest host and musical guests to the pages for the episodes they appear on. The list is only going to grow each week and it seems silly to keep adding it to the main page about the show, especially for people and musicians that are only mention but didn't appear on the show.--Twintone 14:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We really need to trim down the external links. There are definately more than needed.--Twintone 20:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First pass taken care of. Take a look and delete at will some of the less notable ones. — Scm83x hook 'em 20:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Looks great so far! Thanks!--Twintone 21:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citations Needed

There are several places that I added the "citation needed" or "verification needed" tags, mostly in the major roles section. I'm new at editing wikipedia entries so let me know if I did something wrong. Also, I wasn't sure but under Jordon's and Tom's description, the pilot script is mentioned. Does that need to be listed in the reference section? — Vudicarus 09:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a ref to Sorkin dating Dowd, if someone knows how to enter it: http://stylescenes.latimes.com/fashion/2005/11/move_over_spenc.html 128.119.240.144 18:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)DaveMB[reply]

That's fine, but what's really needed for that claim is a reliable source for the speculation that the character is based on Dowd, not that they dated. As it is, the speculation is possibly original research. Schi 19:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SNL History Similarities

Is it appropriate to include similarities of Studio 60 events to events from SNL history? In particular, "The West Coast Delay" revolves around plagiarised material making it to air. This seems to mirror Jay Mohr's being caught for stealing a monologue during his tenure on the show/writing staff. I believe there was also a Gilbert and Sullivan number right after Lorne Michaels returned to the show.

I vote yes. --Kcarlin 00:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this is important and interesting material that is useful to the article, but it seems to qualify as original research, specifically the section "synthesis of published material serving to advance a position" — I've just added an original research warning tag to the section on SNL references. I bet there are some published sources that back up the same claims that are currently in the article, we just need to find them and cite them appropriately. Schi 06:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Skits, anyone?

Does anyone have a list of skits that have been show, mentioned, or tagged on the wall in Matt's office? I think a list of skits would be a good bit of information to have, along with episodes mentioned in. If nobody else knows of, or already has such a list, I guess I could rewatch the episodes carefully and freeze-frame, but knowing Sorkin fans, someone's already done this.--Trypsin 16:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ack NOOOOO!!!! Most skits are NN! The only skits I would deem notable at the moment are Crazy Christians and We are the model of a modern major network show. Any thing else would be crufty. EnsRedShirt 20:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
And the term is sketches. 8)--Twintone 20:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CHANGING TIME SLOT?

My name is Nina.I'm from NJ and just love this show. I also have watched CSI since the beginning and as many others I made the choice to give Studio a chance.I will stay,but I do wish I could still see CSI. Any chance you'll move one or the other to keep a new super show on the air?

Unfortunately we have nothing to do with the show or NBC...if only. GrahameS 02:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

iTunes promotion?

I think it is strange that the second line of the entry concludes that "(Studio 60) is available on iTunes." If this information is relevant, then I also believe that it should be said that the previous episode is available (for free) on NBC's website. But I don't think that the show's availablability on iTunes is relevant information for the second line, as one would not say that episodes of 24 are available through Netflix or Blockbuster. I would suggest this information be moved to later in the article. Backstroke54 06:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The edit was mine. The second line discusses distribution channels for first run episodes of the show. Episodes are made available one day after US broadcast from iTunes. The iTunes episodes are of similar quality to HDTV without requiring HDTV broadcast reception or cable, and are unblemished by commercials, breaking news, and network/station insignia. For a significant segment of the audience, this is the significant first run distribution channel. It is hardly comparable to a later run DVD market will make episodes available in some future year, or to a pilot episode viewable as a stream from a web page. The edit has been deleted, I recommend it be restored to the second line. --Kcarlin 05:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the point was that this is unremarkable - most US network shows are available on iTunes. We don't list every international network that airs it in the opening paragraph; NBC is listed because they are the first run network and the network that pays for the show. Also, the number of people that buy the show on iTunes is not "significant" in comparison to other methods. GrahameS 12:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tunney Media Group - life imitates art?

In S01E04, Wilson White (Ed Asner) Chairman of TM Group mentions that he's preoccupied with gambling ventures in Macau. Is there any credence to suggest that Wilson White is based on the late media mogul Kerry Packer and his company PBL? Both appear to be very 'old-school', and both towards the end of their reign became more interested in their gambling assets specifically the desire to be in Macau. (note: I'm from Australia where the program has yet to air.) - Htra0497 18:14, 20 October 2006 (AET)

The White Stripes' replacement

I was under the impression that the LA Philharmonic Orchestra and the Something Choir technically became the "slated" musical guest. The dialogue when they actually ask the assistant to call up an orchestra and choir instead of an actual band, including "is this a joke," implied the ridiculousness of only having an orchestra and choir as a musical guest. -- Viewdrix 19:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Character Page

Due to the increasing length of the Character section, I've been thinking of taking on a full reformat and splitting it off into a separate page (à la List of Rescue Me characters). Any overwhelming reasons not to? -Redreth 20:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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