Talk:Discordianism

The Principia Discordia is explicitly public domain, so feel free to paste swathes of text into Wikipedia. I might do so soon if nobody else has. (Don't take my word for it, please; confirm for yourself that the work is public domain.) -- Bignose

Don't bother confirming it for yourself, he's right. It's explicitly public domain. --Dante Alighieri 02:39 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Waahh. :-) My take would be to link to a few online copies and keep the "swathes" on Wikipedia to a minimum. Discordianism tends to proliferate among the undisciplined, and I'm sure it's going to require frequent pruning on Wikipedia as it is. Cf. the Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense page. In fact, I'm going to add a link to this on the Discordianism and Principia Discordia pages now.

Sure, I wasn't talking about having arbitrary pieces here; but if definitions or encyclopediac material are required, they can be pasted verbatim from PD (assuming I'm correct and it is public-domain) instead of being written from scratch. If the material's there and is appropriate, the effort it would have taken to paraphrase for Wikipedia can be better spent on articles where such public-domain material is not available. -- Bignose

IANAL, but to quote the Principia:

"Each little piece [of the montage on pg 35] is taken from some larger work created by some other artist and maybe copyrighted... Actually in my kind of art the question of what can I use freely and what can I not is a very tricky problem... There is a lot of pirated stuff in the Principia, especially in the margins... It was published with a broken copyright -- Reprint What You Like. I knew I was taking liberties and didn't want my intentions to be misunderstood".

You see - even religious founders have problems with the dumbness of copyright law. Martin 20:39 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I know some work has been done to develop the Discordian Calendar that would be appropriate to the article. Wesley

There is a Discordian Calendar, but I'd rather make it its own article than further inflate this entry. DenisMoskowitz Addendum: so I did: Discordian calendar

Wikipedia got the Law of Fives wrong. They say that the Law of Fives is ALL THINGS HAPPEN IN FIVES, OR ARE DIVISIBLE BY OR ARE MULTIPLES OF FIVE, OR ARE SOMEHOW DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY APPROPRIATE TO 5. You need to add "and this relationship can be found if you look hard enough." In the Illuminatus trilogy, Hagbard Celine points out correctly that the number 5 has nothing to do with the Law of Fives. -- Proginoskes

The Law of Fives is correct as stated by Discordianism. While Robert Anton Wilson did in fact make that modification that in the Illuminatus trilogy, that was a book with Discordianism in it rather than a book about Discordianism per se. Also, I gotta say any statement about a "correct" interpretation of Discordianism makes me chuckle. --Tyler Berry

Discordianism vs. The Principia Discordia

It seems like the last couple of sections, which discuss the Principia, would be better placed in the Principia Discordia article. What do others think?

Also, this page seems to quote too extensively from the Principia. I'm willing to do some summarizing, as such high levels of quoting naturally tend to appear to be biased toward the quoted work. The Principia Discordia certainly does not reflect all of the opinions on Discordianism.

Finally, how would people feel about the creation of a separate Discordian Theory (or Discordian Philosophy) section, in order to separate Discordianism and the practice thereof, which often consists of simple absurdity, hedonism, and unbridled chaos, from the more serious Discordian theory put forth in the Principia, including discussions of falsifiability, the nature of knowledge, and morality?

-- GregoryWeir 16:07, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Both sound like good ideas to me. DenisMoskowitz 18:56, 2004 Jul 20 (UTC)

I concurr — Xoder |✆ 01:24, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC) fnord

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Dada and Discordianism

Dada has a significant nihilistic current; Discordianism, while anarchistic, does not. As such, I have removed the statement, "another description is that it is a Dadaist religion."

Also, I think the following lines need some work:

"Others view it as a simple rejection of reductionism and dualism, even falsifiability — not in concept different from postmodernism or certain trends in the philosophy of mathematics." (What others?)

"It has also been described as "Zen for roundeyes," and converges with some of the more absurdist interpretations of the Rinzai tradition." (Where has it been described in this manner?)

"Discordianism consists almost entirely of playful nonsense, but some feel it has a more serious underlying meaning." (The first half of this line does not strike me as being NPOV.) --Weltall

I changed that 3rd one, at least it's slightly more NPOV. -GTBacchus

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Counteracting the curse

I took this paragraph out:

Remember that magic is powerful. It may not be advisable to attempt The Turkey Curse without further research. (Please, for the safety of the public, only genuine and authorized =POPE=s are allowed to do it. The kicker being that every man, woman, and child on this planet are genuine and authorized =POPE=s... Principia 00036 -HDB)

...because it's silly. The bit about "genuine and authorized =POPE=s" is a valid thing to talk about in this article, but it should be in another section on heirarchies (or parodies thereof) in Discordianism, where we could also mention the Legion of Dynamic Discord, POEE, etc. I'll write that one later, when I get home and can refer to my PD. GTBacchus 19:19, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good call. DenisMoskowitz 19:32, 2004 Dec 8 (UTC)

You removed something from the definition of Discordianism because it was too silly.

Well.

GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE!

That's all I have to say about that. --Erisian 18:20, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

By Zarathud the Staunch, 'tis in the season of Bureaucracy that are written the really good encyclopedias, of none of which that paragraph was gonna be a part, whether I deleted it, or someone further down the line. GTBacchus 00:47, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(Thanks for mentioning it though....)