User talk:Theresa knott/archive10

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Welcome to my talk page. If you've come to complain, whine, moan, question my judgment, my intelligence, my sanity, or tell me off in anyway, that's fine. I'm a big girl who can take it.If you've come to chat, compliment me, have a laugh, or discuss articles that's even better.

Sock puppets

Hi Theresa, given your well documented inerest in sock puppets I was wondering why you have shown no interest in Robert Blair. Funny thing that ... makes one think. - Robert the Bruce 05:07, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Makes one think what? Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 06:23, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hmmmm ... now where to begin ... - Robert the Bruce 17:46, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Have you thought where to begin yet? Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 11:55, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cheung1303

Have you deleted the ones on the Copyright problems page, or should we just leave them there since they've already been listed? Rick K 06:41, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

I haven't just yet, but I will - I've got to go to work right now! Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 06:43, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

More Picture Removals

Hi Theresa, I remember you've been active in the clitoris/vulva/penis etc. debate about including pictures. User:Anthony_DiPierro has taken it upon himself to unilaterally remove the pictures in clitoris and vulva because he doesn't like them, and will not accept the community decision to keep them (Uggh!). What are we doing about this these days? Didn't we block some of the other users who continually removed the pictures for 24 hours? Just a heads up. Thanks, Timbo 22:17, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That's weird... isn't Anthony the ultra-inclusionist who doesn't think anything should be deleted? func(talk) 22:21, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yeah we did block some of them for 24 hours at a time rather than have to have the page permenantly protected. There's a waring in the archives somewhere from three different admins one of whome was me. I wont block though because of the argument i had with Robert Brookes on the VP which Anthony was a party to. Basically I said to RB to remove the pic and see what happens. This is because i knew someone would replace it - but it could be interpreted that I was baiting him in order to block him. For this reason i don't intend to block anyone.

My advice would be to wait. There's plenty of time - Anthony will realise the meaning of consensus when he finds himself reverted over and over by different people. Anthony has many enemies here on wikipedia, I am not one of them. Some people are quick on the trigger with him because the arbcom ruling, and the fact that he rubs people up the wrong way sometimes. Whist i agree that he sometimes lacks social skills - i do believe that he is editing in good faith. For this reason I beleive we should allow him at least a few days to learn he is not going to get community support on this. If he continues to revert war, when it's clear he cannot win, and if he is explicity warned first, then I'll support a block ( although i wont do it myself) Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 23:43, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Theresa, once again youmisrepresent the consensus arrived at through the vote on the Clitoris talk page. But this exchange does inform that the issue seems to be that there is a greater need to preserve the use of pictures at all costs among some. I am not sure that the use of pics has ever seriously been challenged but sadly when this presevation of pics extends to any pic no matter how unsuitable it becomes unhealthy for Wikipedia. As to your comments about me, Theresa. Of course I am aware that you (and one or two others) are trying to set me up. Sorry not taking the bait on that. I have no reason to personally remove or replace any pic but remain fascinated by the antics of some around this issue. I am confident that sanity will prevail inthe end. - Robert the Bruce 04:23, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yeah whatever. Troll all you like -unlike Anthony who edits in good faith - you do nothing but try to cause trouble, troll and POV push. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 06:37, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Careful now Theresa ... or you will have Tony on your case over your lack of civility. - Robert the Bruce 16:39, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Your are threatening me - how daft! I have nothing to fear from tony or any other respected wikipedian. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 22:47, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

London Meet

Hello. Cheers for the notification. I'll feel a bit of a fraud cos I've hardly been contributing at all lately. I've been busy working on my web site since I'm due to have my first ever article published and I'm plugging it.

I'm also a bit shame-faced with Wikipedians since the last meet I ended up getting escorted from the restaurant after continually trying to smoke in the non-smoking section (I remember nothing about it but Angela told me a few days after).

But I may pop along, see how I feel... things are a bit strange at the moment. Thanks for thinking of me. Hope you're well. Best, --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 05:00, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

American West and U.S. West need your review

Will you please review American West an U.S. West I strongly believe these articles be merged and am somewhat suspicous of the American West article as it seems to be very POV and biased against the use of the census bureau regions as well as far to authoratative on what is and shouldn't be included in the region. I am far to frustrated and angry to deal effectively with these people at this point in time, if you want to know why please e-mail me. -JCarriker 07:46, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Jay I'll take a look, but it'll be the weekend probably bedore i get enough time. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 22:05, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dispute about RfC protocol.

Greetings. User:HistoryBuffEr and I are having a disagreement about the protocol of an RfC page here, and I wonder if you could lend your expertise.

HistoryBuffEr started an RfC against me, and I responded in the Response section. Several other users endorsed the Response. HistoryBuffer commented on the various users' endorsements in the same section. It seemed to me that the Response section wasn't the place for the complainant to make further accusations or other statements, so I moved these comments to talk. Was this an appropriate thing for me to do? HistoryBuffEr objected, and moved the comments back. So where should these comments go? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. Thanks. – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 20:29, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

cc: User talk:Ambi, User talk:Ta bu shi da yu, and User talk:Neutrality.

I haven't edit-warred with HistoryBuffEr, but I have encountered him. For instance, on Rachel Corrie, I went to the talk page and tried to work out a solution. He took my questions as insults, I think, although I didn't mean them that way. (I never actually edited the article page at all, however.) The same thing happened on Sabra and Shatila Massacre, and there I actually made a change, which he reverted. I did not revert him back, however. – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 13:39, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

I just wanted to chime in here and add my support to Quadell's statement. As someone who has had to read and examine all 1,087 edits by HistoryBuffEr, I can tell you that Quadell's experience with HistoryBuffEr reflects the experience of 90% of editors who have tried to work on articles with him. If you can find the time, please review the evidence against HistoryBuffEr in the arbitration case. HistoryBuffEr's claims are absurd, and he has a sordid history of making false claims about users. As someone who is familiar with his edit history, and his interaction with other Wikipedians, I can tell you that he has come into conflict with close to 90% of the editors on the pages he edits, mostly because HistoryBuffEr refuses to compromise or collaborate. In my personal opinion, Quadell attempted to help create a compromise on pages that HistoryBuffEr was attacking, and for being a peacemaker, HistoryBuffEr "rebuffed" Quadell's valiant efforts. I don't recall any "conflict" on Quadell's end at any time, nor can I find evidence for it. HistoryBuffEr, on the other hand, comes into conflict with most editors, many times for no apparent logical reason, other than the fact that those editors (like Quadell) have attempted to make peace instead of edit wars. --Viriditas 01:42, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hello again. The RFC has expired without being certified by two users. I think it would be inappropriate for me to delete the page, though – could you do the honors? – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 12:25, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC) OK I've done it. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 13:13, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wikimeet 3 Dec

Thanks for making me aware of it, and you're right, I am in London. But I'm going to be giving this one a miss. Maybe next time. jguk 00:20, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, Theresa. As it's very short notice, unfortunately I can't make it this time -- but I hope to be able to get to the next one. Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 00:28, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'll be looking by, I reckon. Thanks for pointing it out! - MykReeve 15:14, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Message to my Fellow Candidate

Friend,
The Arbitration Committee elections are almost here. I humbly ask for your vote in this election cycle. I have been a user of Wikipedia for over a year. I was here before the Community Portal, categories, or {{stub}}. I know how Wikipedia operates, and I am prepared to do my part to deal with problematic accounts. I wish to cut out the bureaucracy that makes our website stagnate. We need solutions to our problems now. If you want an arbitrator who believes in action, frankness, honesty, and fairness in every case, I am your arbitrator. Thank you for your time. You are under no obligation to answer this message.

--Paid for by Mero. for ArbCom

RfC

I have added the diffs, and an explanation as to why you might have arrived at that misaprehension. CheeseDreams 22:28, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein

Irate

Thanks.--Jirate 23:34, 2004 Dec 2 (UTC)

Check my reply on the mailing list - and make sure you don't break the rule ever again Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 23:39, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

OK --Jirate 01:51, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)

Talk:Christmas

The commercialization of Christmas has been mentioned there by cheung1303. You can make reply to this part. Click here.

HistoryBuffEr on Ariel Sharon

(cur) (last) 06:46, 3 Dec 2004 HistoryBuffEr (The NPOV version with no objections to it replaces the POV hagiography)
(cur) (last) 06:35, 3 Dec 2004 Viriditas m (Revert edits by HistoryBuffEr to last version by Ferkelparade. We arenot required to fallaciously "prove" a negative. You are, however, required to discuss your proposed changes on talk.)
(cur) (last) 06:15, 3 Dec 2004 HistoryBuffEr (Updated neutral bio (still no objections in Talk))
(cur) (last) 12:34, 2 Dec 2004 Ferkelparade m (rv)
(cur) (last) 12:30, 2 Dec 2004 130.37.20.20 (Six-Day War and Yom Kippur War)
(cur) (last) 09:06, 2 Dec 2004 MPerel (HistoryBuffEr, stop replacing article with your personal version)
(cur) (last) 08:59, 2 Dec 2004 HistoryBuffEr (Restore the neutral version, to which NO objections have been made)
(cur) (last) 08:43, 2 Dec 2004 Viriditas m (Reverted edits by HistoryBuffEr to last version by Wk muriithi. Please propose major changes in talk.)
(cur) (last) 08:35, 2 Dec 2004 HistoryBuffEr (The more neutral bio is back, post objections in Talk (haven't seen any yet))

While his previous blocking appears to have been a mistake, this looks to me like 4 reverts in 24 hours, and is quite provocative given the recent RfC against Quadell. What do you think? Jayjg 16:23, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Blocking of HistoryBuffEr

Greetings. HistoryBuffEr has violated the 3RR (again), and I have just blocked him. I left a detailed note on his talk page here explaining my action.

The last time I blocked him, he was very upset. I was mistaken in my time frame in that instance, thinking he had reverted four times in 24 hours when he had only reverted four times in 26 hours, and I had to back down and apologize. Still, he launched an invalid RfC against me, which was, in my opinion, an attempt to punish me. He then disendorsed many of the Arbitor candidates who endorsed my summary on the RfC, which seemed to me as a way of punishing them as well.

I am quite sure the blocking this time was appropriate – I dotted all my i's and crossed all my t's. But I suspect he will be no less upset. I'm asking you to keep an eye on the situation. If he acts in a vindictive way, I ask that you support me, if you feel this is deserved. – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 16:57, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

I'm happy to keep an eye on things but not tonight. I'm off to the London wikimeet now so I won't be online again until tomorrow. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 17:12, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Okay. Have fun! – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 18:14, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

arbitration

Do you have any more questions for me? If so please submit them as soon as possible. I'm hoping to give a closing statement in the evidence talkpage because people seem to have run out of submissions. Thank you. Arminius 03:50, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No I think I've said everything there is to be said. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 19:54, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If you would, could you make a statement in full of why permanent desyosping is necessary in your opinion. Being one of the two main parties to the case your input is very important. I would really appreciate it as I answered all of your questions and responded to each of your statements as requested. Thank you. Arminius 22:28, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The meet

Obviously I didn't make it. I couldn't really justify the expense this close to Christmas. How was it? --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 08:21, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

It was great fun - though I did get home rather later than I intended)

Was nice to have met you last night, albeit briefly. I had to leave as I'd had too much to drink - but I did enjoy myself. In other news, you have my vote for AbCom. Martin TB 16:04, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Likewise, twas good to meet you there, Theresa. Always good to be able to put a realworld face to a name! :o) — OwenBlacker 16:08, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

And it was good to meet the two of you! Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 19:48, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

input

There's a discussion under way on the appropriateness of a particular illustration at Woman. Since you always seem to have good sense, yet no prudery, I wonder if you'd care to comment on it. I'm interested in your opinion (though I'd feel better about asking for it if I were sure you'd agree with me)<g>. - Nunh-huh 19:12, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Salvation Army article

Dear Theresa

I know you're very busy but I think the Salvation Army article needs someone reponsible looking at it from time to time. If you look at its history and talk you'll see that in the past it has been subject to what may be interpreted as attacks or unwarranted modifications from pro- and anti- SA people.

I would love to think that I could keep an eye on this article, in which I at one time had an incidental interest, but as I am an ex-Wikipedia person - someone whom I think you did not know - trying to break my habit of editing, it's not likely to be me.

Please don't worry if it's not something you want to get into; I am sure that a balance will continue to re-establish itself sooner or later.

Regards, Gonegonegone 19:41, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've added it to my watchlist. I'll try and keep an eye on things but I am very busy so I'll not promise anything. I'm sure you right though. The wiki way leads to balance in the long run. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 19:57, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's great, thank you so much. Gonegonegone 19:59, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Nevada-Tan

There's currently a debate on ifd here on whether or not to delete Image:Nevada-Tan.jpg. I was curious what your opinion would be. – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 01:17, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for your very kind words. I appreciate them more than you know. - Keeper of Records 06:52, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Blocked Bush vandal

Just wanted to let you know I went ahead and blocked the Bush vandal 142.22.16.59 after several warnings. I feel that it was at the point where blocking was necessary. Pakaran (ark a pan) 21:26, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I support that. I was about to do it myself. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 21:27, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

ExplorerCDT

Hi, are you able to find time to look at this chap? Some other users are prematurely hassling him with a RfA on the same subject, which may explain some of his dismissive behavior to his talk page at present. But I do think his initial behavior in redirecting some pages that were (and still are) subject to an ongoing VfD discussion was rather provocative.

Summary of my complaints against ExplorerCDT

Am I overreacting? His initial action and his apparent refusal to discuss it seem a little unfriendly. I won't take it further unless I see him repeating his initial actions; it may be that he feels that anybody who questions his actions is part of some kind of posse out to get him (which they obviously won't be able to by this silly RfA).

Thanks --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 02:47, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

To be honest Tony. I think you are overreacting a bit.It's probably best to leave things alone. I'll keep an eye on things, but although deleting comments from talk pages is a bit rude - it's not against policy and he's not the only person to do it. If the argument continues I'll try talking to him - as I'm not involved he may take more kindly to comments from me. But hopefully things will simply calm down by themselves. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 09:53, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. It's on the list of faux pas, and I can testify that when done like this it is rather frustrating. What he's doing is refusing to defend his actions or explain them. I'm not involved in writing the pages in question (I think it's flogging a dead horse, frankly) but I am involved in the VfD discussion. The same was true of ExplorerCDT, I think, until he intervened.

I went ahead and made an entry on RfC. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 11:16, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It was successful. In my complaint I said that ExplorerCDT "should either give an acceptable defence of his pre-emptive actions, or undertake not to pre-empt ongoing VfD discussions again." I was even willing to be convinced that a redirect during an ongoing VfD might be justified if handled sensitively. While ExplorerCDT seems to think that we're making "a crazily unnecessary crisis intervention as if I were addicted to Heroin and hurting people", he has in fact backed down without any fuss. He's written three times more on this in the past five hours than he did in the previous thirty. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 22:37, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's good news. I'm glad the situation has been resolved. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 22:40, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

urgent request

Would you please look at Postmodernity? I thought the first paragraph was awful and rewrote it; Stirling Newberry had objections (valid ones) to what I wrote and reverted. But he kept the awful paragraph. I had a nother go at it, rewrote it to accomodate his earlier objections. He has since called me a vandal and I believe he has broken the three revert rule. He refuses to engage my comments on the talk page, and simply reverts the paragraph I worked on -- one that is accurate and NPOV. Slrubenstein

I'm happy to take a look tomorrow. It's 11pm here now and i'm off to bed. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 23:00, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

You can do whatever you want with images. If you'd like to multi-license your images, feel free to add an inclusion right before the template banner on your page, for example:

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my '''text''' and '''image''' contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

The text you add before the template will take priority over the template banner itself because it says "...unless otherwise stated..." – Ram-Man ^{(comment) (talk)}[[]] 15:28, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations!

On being balanced, wise and polite. A rare combination! Intrigue 22:18, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thank you - I like to think funny as well, but tastes vary. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 22:26, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And humble...! Intrigue 05:40, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well I used to suffer from a lack of humbleness but I've cured that and so am practically perfect now ;-) Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 14:12, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your names

Hi Theresa, I've been a Wikipedia editor for about five weeks now, and I just want to say how much I enjoy seeing your name pop up, so I can see what your latest name-in-brackets is. They're hilarious. I've been trying to think of a new one for you, but the best I could come up with was hotter-snake-T, which isn't very good. I think I'll leave it to the expert. :-) Slim

The way you say that seems to imply that I am an expert on anagrams. I am not. If you check the archives of this talk page you will see that the various anagrams I currently used have all (with the exception of "taste the korn") been thought up by other people. I am eternaly grateful to everyone who makes me look good in this way, and I don't think hotter snake T is bad at all. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 14:10, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Might i suggest The wordsmith anagram generator? Sadly, the only viable thing I can find for myself is "A SORDID DOG PAGER". Best, DropDeadGorgias (talk) 22:34, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Arminius

Neutrality would like to drop his complaint against Arminius, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Arminius. What do you think? Fred Bauder 12:55, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Hmm I don't know. I'd feel a lot happier about dropping the matter if Armenius had apologogised to Chameleon. I no longer believe that he needs stripping of admin powers though, and i do think he had learned a lesson from this RfAr. What will happen to the evidence page if the matter is dropped? Will it be deleted or archived?

I'd like to hear what Chameleon thinks about this. After all, he did file an RFAfb on Arminius the day before. Then this case superseded that, as it contains essentially the same complaint. This is not simply a private dispute between Arminius & Neutrality; it's about alleged misuse of powers granted by the community. It seems to me that under the circumstances, the entire community — not just Neutrality — should affirm Arminius's privileges with a vote of confidence. If he is re-elected, then the matter really would be over. If he cannot win re-election, should he really be a sysop anyway? Wolfman 15:08, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I too would like to hear what Chameleon thinks - but he's left the project hasn't he? So there's nothing that can be done there. I'm not sure about a vote of confidence though - how would such a thing work? Would it be majority or consensus? Thinking about it, it would probably be a mess. I'd rather just the the AC members vote actually. I'm thinking out loud here but it seems to me that this is really a very straightfoward case. I can't really understand why the AC hasn't decided on it already. The facts look pretty clear to me - he abused his powers.(there is no doubt about that surely?) He is apologetic and asks for forgiveness and to have his good history taken into account. He falls sahort of apologising to chameleon though. Possible remedies in order of severity are -

Ban him from wikipedia
remove his admin powers and make him go through RFA if he wants them back
direct him not to use his admin powers for say 3 months (on pain of having them removed as above)
Put him on some kind of temp parole where other admins are asked to keep an eye on him, revert him and report back to the AC if he errs again.
tell him off and warn him not to do it ever again.
Offer no punishment at all because he's learned his lesson.

Because of his behaviour after the RFAr is better than i expected, I personally would like to remove my request for desysopping. But i think the Arb Com probably should at least look at the case. Abuses of admin power should, at the very least be investigated by the AC. Justice needs to be seen to be done. There have been a lot of complaints that it's impossible to desysop an admin who abuses his or her power. If this case is dropped then it will look like there is a sort of old boy network, where the admins stick together to protect their own. I am an admin after all, and so it neutrality I think. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 15:31, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There is precedent for a vote, as Guanaco was just put up for a re-vote last week, Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Guanaco. He apparently failed, and ironically enough Arminius voted against him. Ideally, the outcome would be that Arminius has community support re-affirmed. I myself would vote for him, if he acknowledged his error and apologized to Chameleon.

In principle a vote should be fine, the community gave the powers, surely they can revoke them. On the other hand, you don't want to drive away Arminius from Wikipedia if he views it as an embarrassing and unfair punishment. Of course, that's pretty much happened with Chameleon. Whether he's truly left the project is unclear, often times people leave in a huff but come back a few months later. At any rate, he could be emailed.

So, I don't know what the right outcome is. But, I do think the right process is for arbcom to make a decision. While Neutrality and Arminius may have worked it out, the offense was not against Neutrality. And though I personally have a high regard for Neutrality, I completely agree with your point about how it will appear if the case is dropped based on his private negotiations. Wolfman 15:57, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

#2, #4, and #5 sound good to me. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/^talk]] 02:21, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)

No admin should fear a vote if they have done the right thing. The community will always support good admins. There are far too many incidents, though, of the abuse of power, and it's good to show that admins are not above the law, rather than close ranks. Dr Zen 03:02, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The only reason he is before the AC is because he did the wrong thing! The trouble with voting is - anyone is allowed to vote. What I mean by that is that the voters don't even have to actually read the evidence page, they can vote no for trivial reasons - their vote will still be counted. This has actually happened on RFA before. They could vote no because they are a troll or a trouble maker and Armenius has blocked them. They could be the sockpuppets of troublemakers. They could gang together and try to round up oppostion - I've seen this happen. RFA can be pretty unplesent sometimes people vote no becasue they dont like something on a candidates user page, people vote no because they don't like someones name, or the number of edits they have made recently, or for any other reason. They could vote no because he voted no to Guanaco (I think it was perhaps a little unwise of Armenius to vote on Guanaco at all btw) We have an abitration committee. They were set up to abitrate. They should do so in this case. If we are going to let the community vote on matters of arbitration we should scrap the AC and go back to quickpolls - which would be stupid IMO but there you go. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 11:44, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

On reflection, I think you're right. We're a representative, not direct, democracy on judicial matters for a reason. Arbcom should have made the decision on Guanaco; we elect them to make the tough decisions. If they had de-admined him, then Guanaco could always have appealed to the broader community by re-applying for adminship. Wolfman 18:16, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That is effectively what happened. Guanaco was desysopped and had to ask the community whether he retained its trust. And whether justice is administered one way or the other, it ought to be seen to be done. In Guanaco's case, it has been. And Theresa, yes, people can vote for trivial or mean reasons. That's the problem with a democracy. You can't force everyone to consider their votes wisely. Dr Zen 01:47, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Which is exactly why matters of justice are never sorted out by a popular vote. Wikipedia isn't a democracy. It's an encylopedia. If the AC think Armenius need to be desysooped they can do that. He can always reapply for adminship from the community later. But so far those that have indicated thier views state that they dont want that. We have an AC to sort these things out. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 07:06, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If I had a dispute with you, would I get justice from the Arbcom? I suspect our answers to that would differ.Dr Zen 23:04, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I hate to say this, becuase my experience with AC had up to this point been pretty good. Their decisions seemed OK if somewhat slow. But in this case, I am dissapointed. In my view, this is about as simple a case as can be. The evidence of what happened is clear, and not really in dispute. Yet i get the distinct impression that the arbitrators didn't look at the evidence. Armenius has had this hanging over his head for weeks, when it could have been delt with in a metter of days. Now it looks as if they intend to close the case without making any kind of a statement whatsoever. And what will happen to the evidence page? Will it be kept or deleted? Does closing the case mean that Armenius is cleared of charges of wrongdoing? Clearly not - becasue if that was the case they AC would say so wouldn't they?

On another matter look at this If what is claimed on that page is true then the AC do not seem to be acting fairly. Ta bu shi da yu certainly feels that justice is not being done.

The AC hasn't always been like this. I get the distinct impression that, becasue of the current election, many of the members just can't be bothered at the moment. So to answer your question - I think that if we had a dispute, that needed arbitration right now then there is a real possibility that neither of us will get justice. (I bet you weren't expecting that were you?) Hopefully that will change in the new year, with the injection of some new members. I am up for election, and if i win a place I will push hard for reorganisation so that AC members workload is reduced, so they don't tire out, that checks are made that punishments are fair, and that decisions are made quickly.(electioneering bit over) I have nothing against the individual AC members. They are all upstanding guys, and i have the greatest respect for each of them. It's they way the AC is set up that causes these problems.

Having said all that though. I don't think that the cure for the AC problems is to allow the community to vote on the issues. We had a similar system of quickpolls a while back which was abandoned because it wasn't seen as fair. No what needs to be done is - fix the AC. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 21:15, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Write in C

Why is my article incorrect? What's wrong with it? --Cheung1303 02:09, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What are you on about? I've never even looked that article let alone said it was incorrect. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 07:07, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your RFC page

Hi Theresa- Long time no see. Anyway, there's a lot of buzz around the policy about deleting RFC pages if they are not certified within 48 hours. Due to a compromise on Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard#Deleting RFCs, I deleted jguk's, and I wanted to know if you wanted me to delete yours as well (a delete tag was placed on the page, but not by you). The only reason I could think that you might want to keep it is that I believe that it is part of the RFC and RFA evidence against User:CheeseDreams. It shouldn't be a big deal in either case. Obviously, even if the RFC stays around, it's quite clear from the context that no one agreed with the premise of the RFC. Cheers, DropDeadGorgias (talk) 22:23, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with keeping the rfc. I do think there should be some sort of notice on it saying that the rfc failed to be certified and so people shouldn't comment on it though. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 08:55, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good point... We should bring this up in one of the ongoing discussion; there should be a set of templates for ongoing and closed RFCs. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:50, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

Response

I've seen your reply. Why can't I copy the full text of the original? --Cheung1303 00:55, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know what you are talking about. Please assume that i cannot read minds and give me some more to go on ;-) Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 21:35, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Emilia

I've found some information about Swedish singer Emilia. Can you find more information to complete this article? --Cheung1303 00:55, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That great - but i don't know anything about this singer, so i wont be expanding this article. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 21:40, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sockpuppeter

I know - tried it, didn't work - page too big for my proxy to allow upload, it seemed. Failed 4 times, worked when I fixed the accidental edit though. Damn Websense. Kiand 21:31, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Removing comments

That's fine. Thanks for letting me know. I am trying to be sympathetic to CheeseDreams while leading him/her away from the disastrous course he/she is on.Dr Zen 22:52, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Link REIT

Can you find more information about this article? Help complete it! --Cheung1303 02:46, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Only if you say please. Masterhomer 20:32, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Even then No. Cheung our sphere of interests do not overlap. It is highly unlikely that I will be interested in working on the same articles as you. You will find that if you just wait - someone eventually will come and work on the article. Or you could add it to Wikipedia:cleanup- that might speed things along. HTH. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 20:37, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can I help?

Hi Theresa. I notice that you're trying to resolve a dispute with Robert the Bruce, and I wondered whether I might be able to help? I understand that Robert is concerned about possible bias on your part. While I don't share his conviction in that respect, I'm fairly confident that he will have no problem with me. I don't think that normal Wiki procedures allow for 'job-sharing' mediation, and obviously I'm just a 'rookie' editor, but if it'll help with resolving the situation, I say we should be flexible. What do you think? - Jakew 13:05, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Anything you can do to help will be greatly appreciated. If we can resolve the situation without involving the arbitration committee it would benefit everyone. I am very grateful to you for your offer. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 18:58, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ok, so what's the next step? Would you like to propose this to Robert, or shall I? - Jakew 19:11, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it would be better coming from you. Perhaps you could ask him to withdraw his claims that I abused admin powers? He has said this several times, but I've never actually used admin powers against him. He has accused others of abusing admin powers when, when they haven't even been admins - he seems to feel that throwing accusations around is perfectly acceptable. I've repetedly told him to takes his evidence the the arbitration committee. But he wont (well he cant, becasue i didn't do it). This is very important to me. I'll put up with a lot, but telling lies about me is not on. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 19:22, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ok, I've suggested this to Robert on his user talk page. I don't know the details about Robert's allegations, so I won't comment. We need some space to discuss matters, and obviously your talk page isn't the right place. What should we do? Create a sub-page on Robert's? - Jakew 20:15, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Create a subpage on yours would be better IMO. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 20:17, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Double block

Heya, please note Theresa Knott and Ahoerstemeir both blocked 144.92.184.25, giving him double block time (I think). Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. &#0xfeff;--fvw * 23:13, 2004 Dec 16 (UTC)