Talk:List of Torchwood characters

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Carys

Carys is easily more notable than Ed Morgan (who didn't appear in as much of his episode as she did in hers) and is almost as notable as Suzie (both being major roles in their episodes). Yes she isn't notable enough for an article of her own but she is easily notable enough for here. --GracieLizzie 23:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With the greatest possible respect, that's nuts. That would mean that every guest character gets their own entry, which is going to have this ending up more bloated than List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens. Get rid of Ed Morgan, by all means and get rid of Suzie too. Honestly, none of these characters warrant much more than a one-liner, or even better, a redirect/merge back to the episode article itself. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suzie

Speaking of Suzie, should she really be here? Shouldn't she just be on the villians page? Actually I wouldn't mind the two pages being merged for the time being there isn't really enough info so far to justify two pages if you ask me. --GracieLizzie 23:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think merging is a good idea. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

In accordance with the above discussion, I've decided to put merge proposal tags on these pages. I want to find out what others think and put in my opinions. See above for my reasons why I propose a merger, I suggest the two should be merged into a new page called List of Torchwood supporting characters and villains. --GracieLizzie 23:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps something more simple, like List of Torchwood characters. Villains are characters too. I think we'd have to list the main characters but then we'd just provide links to their articles using the {{main}} template. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a bad idea actually, it is similar to what happens at the Monsters and Aliens and Villians Doctor Who articles as well as articles for other series like Characters in Bleach and List of Danny Phantom villains and ghosts. I support this as a potential resolution too. --GracieLizzie 00:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that both the lists are premature. The lists make sense for Doctor Who because it's built up such a large supporting and recurring cast over the decades that requires some organisation. We've only had three episodes of Torchwood, and neither Suzie, Carys or Ed are recurring. None of these three, count as "supporting cast" in any meaningful sense. Neither are Cary or Ed particularly significant other than a guest of the week situation. So why do they even need a mention outside of the episode article, which contains (or can contain) all the same information? We should nip this in the bud right now and redirect all of them to the right story articles. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, while I agree Carys and Ed may not be notable (I only added Carys because Ed was added) I think Suzie is by due to the amount of publicity material she was featured in and I think Rhys and PC Andy are notable enough to be in this style of article rather than to be talked about on the Gwen page. This may be the mergist in me speaking but to completely eradicate this pages strikes me as a too deletionist an action. --GracieLizzie 12:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'll note that Suzie's information takes up, at best, a few paragraphs, with no current potential of expansion, and it's most, of not all, in Everything Changes. Maintaining forks with no additional information simply does not make sense. If she comes back, all right. But there's no indication she will. If the unique information about her expands enough or increases enough to have her own article, it can simply be spun off, much like say, History of the Daleks was from Dalek.

But let's put that aside. For the sake of argument say that Suzie and Rhys are significant. Carys isn't. Ed isn't. So let's eliminate them. PC Andy is borderline at best, because he's appeared for all of, what, less than three minutes over two episodes? But let's just say keep him; there's not enough to warrant two lists. Nor is there enough to warrant infoboxes. Keep it small, keep it tight, until there's enough information to justify it. We can't create pages for the sake of creating pages. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I like how you've got it set out now, as you said it is small and tight this way and it looks quite neat too. If their is not futhur complaints I think we should merge the two articles soon. Preferably today. --GracieLizzie 14:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I like how it looks now too. And I still support the merge. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's no point having a seperate villains page if one-episode baddies aren't included, since you'll be lucky to have even one entry by the end of the series. Same with characters - if you're not including PC Andy or other characters who appeared in one or two episodes, then you're probably only going to have Gwen's boyfriend on that page. I vote either merge with characters and include characters who appeared in small roles in a couple of episodes/major one-shot villains like Suzie and Ed, or just nuke both pages. If you're going to do the pages, you might as well try to get as much information on there as possible. Remember that not every episode will have a human villain. Hell, some of them might not even have villains at all (looking at the one about the plane from the 50s landing in Cardiff). --Mister Six 11:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let's call it something like List of Torchwood minor characters and keep it to characters with more than one appearance (as a general criteria; Suzie can be one exception). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, let's do that :) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been bold and created the planned page at the above link. If everyone likes it we can redirect the two older pages to it and alter the torchwood navigation info box. --GracieLizzie 15:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]