Talk:New eugenics

Liberal eugenics was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made below the archived discussion rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP

I'm gonna defer completely to the expertise on the community on this one. To me, at first the article looked like a way of bypassing the good article Eugenics, and I redirected it. Someone has now, maybe properly, removed the redirect, and made slight improvements, consisting mostly of a book reference. I'd seen the book via Google before my redirect; now I suspect either (a) advertising, or (b) that not the article, but the thing itself! may be an attempt to get around the inevitable problems of eugenics. At any rate, here you have it: Delete?? — Bill 19:19, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Keep. The Liberal eugenics article is a work in progress. There are significant differences between eugenics and liberal eugenics for the latter to merit a page of its own. This is not attempt on my part to advertise the book on the subject. Loremaster 19:25, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Keep. I know next to nothing about this subject, but a quick google search, excluding the author of the linked book, turned up a small, but not insignificant number of references from respectable looking academics. older≠wiser 19:29, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
Keep as it is a valid subject. It does need expansion though, but I see that that's being done. Inky 01:26, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

End archived discussion -- Graham ☺ | Talk 13:42, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I added a few paragraphs here to stress the point that the linguistic attempt to label 20th-century eugenics programs as distinctly "conservative" (and to say that this, being "liberal", is a strong contrast), is historically misleading. Eugenics was embraced by many parts of the early 20th-century political spectrum and to say it was strictly "conservative" is wholly incorrect (there were left-wing, socialist eugenicists as well, such as Hermann Muller). It's additionally incorrect to say that "liberal eugenics", as defined, was not practiced in the early-20th century. The US and Germany both had programs and attempts to enact forms of "positive" eugenics, though they get less attention than the coercive forms of eugenics ("negative" eugenics). I just wanted to make it clear that this is a purposeful attempt at historical distancing, one which is fairly difficult to maintain, historically speaking. (This does not mean that it is necessarily "bad" or "evil" or "wrong", etc., though, but to try and disassociate it with the past is incorrect.) Also, I delinked the book because we don't need to tell people where to buy their book, and they can search amazon just like the rest of us. --Fastfission 15:44, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)