Talk:Furry/Archive 2

Why does this page totally avoid the sexual aspect?

I noticed that myself. If you feel you know enough about Furry culture to write something reasonable about it, you're certainly welcome to ^_^; I'm afraid for myself that I don't know much about it. -- Creidieki 21:19, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I can try to write up something some time, but the problem really is that furrydom is so diverse it's hard at best to come up with a single statement that everybody can agree on. It's particularly true as far as sexuality goes, too; it's definitely a hot topic, with some focussing on it entirely and others claiming it has no place in furrydom at all and should be purged. -- Schnee 22:17, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I noticed that the first commenter had made a few notes in the article, and I decided it would be good to expand to its own paragraph. I was mostly writing from discussion with friends and from your (Schnee's) comments; feel free to edit/replace mercilessly. The article as a whole is fairly unstructured at the moment. I'm sure there's enough material that an entire page about Furry Sexuality could be written, but I'm not the one who could write it. I ended up reverting the notes from the first commenter, which had been added to the introductory paragraph, because I didn't feel they were NPOV, and I thought my paragraph explained the issue; but I don't think a mention in the intro paragraph would be inappropriate. -- Creidieki 01:57, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Is this page counting the rabbits from Watership Down in the category, then? Because they aren't anthropomorphic at all, just personified, which applies to an absolutely huge body of characters in folklore and literature I am guessing most people wouldn't include.

Well, I disagree about them being anthropomorphic; they aren't physically different from normal rabbits, but they do talk to each other and exhibit a level of intelligence that is more humanlike than animallike. I guess they could be considered a border case, though. There's no hard and fast way of categorizing stuff "furry" and "non-furry", as with most purely culture-generated divisions.

My inclination is to not mention Watership Down -- if it is a questionable or debatable example, why not swap it for a better one? Our goal is not comprehensivity, is it? -- Cayzle

I disagree with that; my experience is that the vast majority of furry fans would consider Watership Down one of the touchstones of furry literature. If WD is questionable, then so is almost everything else. Loganberry 13:26, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Actually, what you're calling "personified" *is* one of the meanings of the term "anthropomorphic" as it applies to animals. It's not confined to so-called "morphs"-- the upright kindof animal character.

TMNT et all

Re: the recent changes by 67.170.46.54

The teenage mutant ninja turtles, and other creations much like them ARE furries, despite not having actual "fur". The term "furry" doen't have anyhting to do with whether or not the creation has fur, rather that they are a hybrid of the human species with an animal species. TMNT, and things like them, are often known as scalies (in the case of repties, etc).... but they still fall under the unbrella category of "furs"

I never really thought of using TMNT as an example of a fur, but you're right. The show is mainstream (or perhaps was) and many people are familiar with it. I'll be sure whenever asked to give this as an example to steer away from the public image of furries consisting only of fursuiters that try to have sex while fursuiting. In general, admitting to be a furry to non-furs is a form of social suicide since people shoot your foot--They don't give you a chance to correct their ideas of the culture and its not shooting your own foot if its their preconceptions that's off.--Mylon 23:40, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Furry Sexuality

Why should it talk about sexual aspects? A lot of individuals and groups mentioned in Wikipedia have sex now and then, and we get along very well without a discussion of those details .... thank you. - unci

Contrary to what some people like to think (or like), there *is* a sexual side to furrydom, and an article on it can't be NPOV without mentioning it. -- Schnee 20:20, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I added the paragraph about sexuality in response to an anonymous user (User:69.111.72.245), who had added notes about Furry sexuality on July 28, 2004. In that edit, the remarks were rather crudely placed in the introduction paragraph, stating that furriness was "often sexual" and referring to furriness as a "sexual fetish". I reverted those changes, and added something I felt was more neutral, and more appropriately placed.

From what I've seen, criticism of furry subculture often focuses on the sexual aspects, and I think that an accurate statement on that respect is a good thing to have. I'm very open to suggestions about where to put the material in the article, how to phrase the material, and what else we want to say. I really think, though, that to be accurate, complete and NPOV, the article needs to acknowledge the criticism but state clearly that not all furries are involved in it. -- Creidieki 08:08, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

One somewhat surprising omissions from this article (though I'm not sure how to rectify them, so haven't edited): I think the word yiff needs to be mentioned in the Sexuality section, since it's used so widely within furry. (The Yiff page itself says it's a candidate for Wiktionary; personally I think it's clearly an encyclopaedic topic, and could easily be significantly expanded. Just not by me. =:P ) Loganberry 13:26, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

pressedfur

Pressed Fur (pressedfur.coolfreepages.com)

I'm siding with ContiE on this... concidering the last updated date, as well as the fact that with XP's SP2 IE blocks all content from coolfreepages.com due to "potential security risks and harmful content", this is not a useful resource, nor should it be included with the article. If you really have a problem with this Fibonacci, we could always put it to a vote to prevent an edit war. Arcuras 17:35, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

It doesn't block the page to me. --Fibonacci 00:21, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Then it is highly likely that you told IE to mind it's own business and allow you to access it anyway. =) Arcuras 00:40, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

I haven't. I couldn't have, because I'm too ignorant to know how. --Fibonacci 02:18, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

its

What? --Fibonacci 20:26, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Added Sections

It just beat me that this page was too long to be completely section-less. I changed a few terms too... Added the link to fursona and generally grouped the ideas into the proposed subjects. I'm my first non-minor edit on a non-stub article, so please bear with me here. -- Omar "Ekevu" Balbuena 20:06, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've never known 'spooge' to be related to the furry community. Just a normal slang term for semen.

NPOV

Question: Is it possible that we could find a neutral link (Not by a furry and not by a furry-hater) to insert instead of what we've got now? Suntiger 19:42, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)