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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Roland2~enwiki (talk | contribs) at 15:33, 9 January 2005 (Transaltion of en:Wikinfo). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

My associates and I have installed the wikimedia-1.1.0 software at http://www.wikinfo.org, alternative address, http://www.internet-encyclopedia.org/. It is hosted by ibiblio.org. The wikidata base dump was not installed. Software has been developed which allows easy importing of Wikipedia articles and to date about 30,000 have been imported. Certain policies have been changed from Wikipedia although the notion of using American English has been abandoned; International English is used. The concept of neutral point of view for each article has been changed to a policy of accepting a cluster of articles with differing points of view. Several policies which have been observed to cause tension on Wikipedia have been liberalized. See Wikinfo. Fred Bauder 13:51, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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Ruy Lopez

Ruy Lopez violated remedy #4 (Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, VeryVerily) two times, reverting the article about Joseph Stalin with no attempt at discussion ([1] [2]). What to do? Boraczek 22:59, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Soviet Union

The text you added to Soviet Union did not fit into the structure of the article, which summarizes main articles on specialized areas (history, politics, foreign relations, economy, republics, demographics). Note that Politics of the Soviet Union is blank. I suggest that you use it as a basis to start an article there. 172 13:05, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I moved it to Politics of the Soviet Union. 172 13:08, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fred, why don't you move the text you added about Soviet Union to Wikinfo, where articles expressing one of the positions are welcome? It was clearly written without the NPOV goal in mind and doesn't belong in a neutral article. Paranoid 22:36, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think your changes to the Soviet Union article were the best hope to have an article that tells the whole history of the country. I am trying to find sources for everything I put in the article although I doubt they will be acceptable to 172 who seems to have a very strong POV. Libertas

Agree, totally, he is artful but the end result is dismal. It's a strange article indeed on the USSR that doesn't mention political repression etc! It's kind of like arguing the sky is green. I don't really know how to rebut such a POV. I tried to make some changes which have been rejected by Paranoid and would no doubt be similarly rejected by 172. I think reverting is pointless (tried that!) so I'll just leave the article as it is with the appropriate tag. I would like to work with you on fixing it. I don't like communists, and I don't pretend otherwise but I think I am capable of improving the article without an agenda. Libertas

LOL, yes, I will come up with sources wherever I can find them, although I notice 172 denounces sources other than his own! Even the BBC! Libertas

Noting the text that you added on totalitarianism to the Soviet article, I added a subsection on internal security to the politics section of the article. [3] This way, we can deal with the subject while fitting it into the structure of the article. 172 09:57, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for the note. I don't know if it was a concession, though. I was happy to add it once I'd figured out how to fit it into the current structure-- the more links to specific institutional pillars of the regime in that article the better... Regarding Politics of the Soviet Union, I spent a few minutes copyediting it before getting your note. I can see a structure starting to coalesce there. It turns out that your "text dump" was a pretty good basis for starting that article. I'm sorry for being too critical when I first saw it... Also, thanks for you intent to talk with Libertas. 172 11:53, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fred, I welcome your intervention. I don't want to - or want to be seen to - be browbeating 172. I am challenging his POV and he is responding. I get the impression he doesn't like being challenged and I guess none of us do but he is certainly capable of standing up for his POV. It seems I am not the first user to incur 172's wrath and probably won't be the last. I am certainly digging up more quality references to Soviet dictatorship, although it seems he is conceding on that point, perhaps. Now he just wants the reference buried deep in the article. He is clever. But the article is suffering from his clever POV pushing. Libertas

I'm proposing the idea of replacing the Soviet Union article with Soviet Union/temp, which is based on LOC text (something that can satisfy all the contending points of view). Given all the browbeating going on on the talk page, this strikes me as the only way of reworking the article so as to get it unlocked. Please take a look if you're interested. Thanks. 172 15:31, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Blocks of Irate and Cookiecaper

I was under the impression that the third revert was the blockable offense. I don't really care, I'll unblock these characters on your authority. JFW | T@lk 07:58, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sir, in your posting regarding the LaRouche Arbcom decision, here, you state that Frederick Wills is "closely related" to Lyndon LaRouche. I have been reviewing Wills' life and find little available outside of LaRouche sources (and little within LaRouche either). I have written a biography drawn from the few web-available sources. He is marginally notable as a foreign minister under a minor dictator, a leading cricket player of his time and country, and a co-founder of the Schiller Institute. Yet he is not mentioned in the articles on LaRouche or the Schiller Institute, so claims of his importance to LaRouche and Schiller Inst. seem hollow. From LaRouche sources, he was not even an officer of the Schiller, just a board member. If his name did not appear on the Template:LaRouche, only one article would link to his biography, an article on Third World debt moratorium. So there is nothing to indicate that this man was a close associate of LaRouche. LaRouche has been involved with numerous organizations, with what must have been scores of other board members. LaRouche was not even on the board of the Schiller himself. In short, I am requesting an interpretation of the Arbcom decision. Please reconsider Wills' status as "closely related to LaRouche", and his place on the LaRouche Template. (Please let me know the correct way to proceed with this request if it needs formal approval). -Willmcw 00:13, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wise answer. Thanks. -Willmcw 19:09, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've just opened an RFC regarding RFC's habitual personal attacks and other disruptive behavior. I've no idea if you're able or interested in getting involved, but I figured I owed you the courtesy of letting you know that your comments on his talk page are invoked as evidence. Let me know if you have any concerns. RadicalSubversiv E 03:55, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Aside from the merits of the case (which has a vast body of evidence going back a long time), I am having technical difficulties creating the the comment page. Can you let me know how I go about doing this. Libertas

I have tried to extend the olive branch to Radical but I gather he's not interested. I appreciate your advice though. There were technical problems saving new pages at the time I had problems. All fixed now. Libertas

Transaltion of en:Wikinfo

Hello Fred, I translated en:Wikinfo to de:Wikinfo. I left out a few sentences which might offense some people so I have called the translation "partly". --Roland2 15:33, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)