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Russian (usage)

This article, and Russian (spelling), were created by User:Mikkalai because he felt some links to Russian (language) were "clutter". Apparently it was inconvenient for him to have so many articles linking to Russian (language) merely because a person happened to speak Russian, or a word was spelled in Russian. However, this change matches no policy I am aware of, was carried out unilaterally, and is certainly inconvenient for the reader of the article, who in my view is more important in this case. Jayjg | (Talk) 21:25, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. See Talk:Russian (spelling) for the reasons and further discussion. Also, I'd like to point at a hostile attitude ot Jayig, who started chasing me all over my edits without talking. Only on a brink of vioulating 3-revert rule he/she/it started using normal procedures of resolving disagreements. Mikkalai 21:36, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually, I first put it on the Village Pump (policy) page for comment, and when others agreed that it was a bad idea, then I reverted the changes. And it was only after you actually violated the 3RR on a couple of articles defending your unilateral change that I brought it here for VfD. Jayjg | (Talk) 21:47, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
      • There is no policy that forbids me to do what I did. You are probably confusing tthe Soviet and Western notions of freedom. It is in totalitarian Soviet Union only things listed in the Law were allowed, and the rest was forbidden. What is more, there are precedents of pages that serve purely technical convenience: disambig pages. Mikkalai 21:36, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
        • This page doesn't disambig anything, it just removes "clutter" for your convenience. Jayjg | (Talk) 22:01, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. While I agree with Mikkalai that there is a problem with too many links to the Russian language article, I do not see how creating technical pages is an acceptable resolution.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 22:07, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: Don't think it's a worthwhile thing to do and just adds extra clicks. violet/riga (t) 22:10, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, does not help readers. - SimonP 22:13, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Horrible idea. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 22:15, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete this unilaterally implemented bad idea Cdc 22:28, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect both. Will cause nothing but confusion for anyone following a link to these from anywhere but here of the pump. -Sean Curtin 22:32, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • The problem with a re-direct is that it will create double re-directs in all those articles Mikkalai has changed to point to his pages. Double re-directs don't work, causing even more problems for the user. At least if they're deleted, then we can finally change the articles he has re-directed to point back to where they are supposed to, since he apparently won't allow anyone to do that now. Jayjg | (Talk) 22:50, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete bad idea. How is it detrimental to have lots of pages linking to Russian language? Tuf-Kat 22:33, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as above. Wyss 22:41, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as unnecessary. Andrew Lenahan Starblind 22:51, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect. A. Shetsen 22:52, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC) If it doesn't work for technical reasons (see above), rewrite. Mikkalai's idea has some merit. Perhaps Russian language should be replaced with Russian to help the user disambiguate. A. Shetsen 22:55, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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