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Thanks

Thanks Zora. Great to hear from you. I've just started getting active again on wikipedia after a particularly hectic semester. I did see Lage Raho Munna Bhai, after hearing a very favorable review in an introductory course on nonviolence at UC Berkeley. Wishing you kshanti and good luck with your arthritis, and lots of success with everything in the New Year. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 03:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shilpa Shetty

Hey Zora, just giving you a heads-up - The Shilpa Shetty article could probably do with a spring-clean as she is reported to be appearing on Celebrity Big Brother 2007 soon. I've cleaned it already as best as I could, including references and stuff, but these thigns always need expansion. I'll be keeping a heads-up in the media also for reliable info to go in this article. Hope you're well. Ekantik talk 03:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Karbala

Hi, I added a new part in this article and put a comment in the talk page. Please don't remove it before any discussion. --Sa.vakilian 09:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Qur'an

Happy New Year! I hope that next year for you will bring new happiness and joys in your life. I was just reading an article by Ghamidi on Principles of Understanding the Qu'ran in mizan and I found it very informative. It can be accessed from here. It includes topics like classical arabic, its languistic style, variant readings, thematic coherence, and generally other principles which are required in understanding Qur'an. You may find it useful. Cheers! TruthSpreaderreply 22:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Antisemitism in Islam

Hi Zora, given your interests I thought I might ask you to have a look at the section on Islam and antisemitism in the Antisemitism article. There is lively disagreement on Talk:Antisemitism as to how to approach this, what sources should be used etc and I think it could do with an outside eye.

Aside from that, I hope you're keeping well and I wish you all the best for the New Year. Palmiro | Talk 13:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits to Kaaba

In this edit of yours:

  1. You brought back all links except the non-Muslim link which is: Believe - Christian site with information on other beliefs. Please explain why you did not bring in this link back as well.
  2. You deleted pictures of the Kaaba - on what grounds? Please explain.

thanks, --Matt57 17:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: the second point, did you check the talk page? ITAQALLAH 17:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm checking the talk page now and dealing with the matter there. --Matt57 17:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Zora, please see the talk page here on Pictures of Kaaba: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kaaba#Pictures_of_Muhammad . --Matt57 17:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!!

Hello, Zora, a Happy New Year to you! Best regards --Plumcouch Talk2Me 18:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year/ Our discussion

Hi Zora, wishing you a Happy New Year. I was on wikibreak the last couple of days and the thread on ANI got archived in the meanwhile. May I know your current stand on it? If you still have objections to the template on Indian actor pages, please let me know. I intend to start my bot in the next few days but dont have any intentions of edit warring over it. Hence I thought I'd check with you. In case you havent seen my last few replies on the thread, here they are for your reference — Lost(talk) 06:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zora, we can take this through formal dispute resolution if you want. However, I would like to discuss it with you first so that we can understand what the other is saying. Can you tell me what it is that you are against. I ask because I get a slightly different response every time I approach you:
  • Are you against all wikiprojects based on nationality? You say that we should follow US and UK and since they are not tagging by country, we should not do it either. Well, for one, I question that logic. But even the statement is faulty. Not only US but many other countries do have their own projects. Each of them has their flag on the template. See Template:WikiProject United States, Template:WP Australia, Template:WikiProject Iran etc. etc.
  • Are you against talk page templates of wikiprojects in general?: As I keep repeating, thats a separate technical discussion. If there is consensus to keep project templates out of talk pages altogether, then I have no objections. But if it is only against specific articles and specific projects, then I do have objections.
  • Dividing Wikipedia along national, religious etc etc lines. I think we can get into a long philosophical discussion on this whether nations and other identities were created to separate people or join them, but the fact is that all of these are realities. Crusading against a wikiproject is not going to take the reality of nations and religions away. But I think you have got the concept of a wikiproject wrong. They exist to give related articles some organisation, not to ignite religious or nationalistic passions. Plus the WP1.0 team is involved in something very noble. They bring out cds for distribution where there is no internet access. How do they decide which articles to include? Through the wikiproject assessments. That is how the project templates help. See Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team. Specifically Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Status. They encourage use of bots so that articles that are of importance to the various projects can be improved and included in the cd. The core topics get included on priority. These are generally articles that a project tags as top importance. What may be top importance for one project may not be so for another. The task is a very noble one, I think. I myself keep assessing articles when I get time. If you want, you can go through my contribs but rest assured that there are actually people working on the importance and quality of articles that can be included for WP1.0.
  • Finally, it is not nationalism that has killed millions. Its the inability to accommodate others' point of view. Nationalism/religion etc. are double edged weapons. We can use them to create a better world or to kill millions. Even the so called Indo Pak war ended when editors managed to accommodate each others' point of view.
Phew, that was a long discourse. Anyway, let me know what you think and we can take this through the appropriate channels. — Lost(talk) 09:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Kidman

Just so that you don't lose any sleep wondering why she was in Project Hawaii, Kidman was born there. You're right in that it wasn't really notable enough to be listed though! --Steve (Slf67) talk 08:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My POV and some other issue

Hi Zora,

  • Please remind that not only Shi'as know Yazid as an unjust ruler but also Sunnis know him as the cruel one:Sunni view of Yazid I. Even who do not agree with uprising against such ruler and recognize him as legitimate one like Muhammad Al-Ghazali . I don't know whether you are familiar with his governance or not but please read what he did in Medina and Mecca in Tabari's history. Thanks God in these events Shi'a didn't suffer but the rape and pillage of Mecca and Medina's Muslims(you can read people) and setting the Kaaba on fire was nothing but tyranny.
  • Another issue, I don't know where you're from and what your religion is but as Iranian Shi'a student I live with these issues. These are part of my history and today's life. So I get deep knowledge about them during my life. When I said them I don't mean just Shi'a POV but also Sunni and Persian POV.
  • I suffer a lot when I see some poets in my country tell lies about Imam Hussain(PBUH) to cry people. Also I know Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and we should write "Al-Ghazali oppose Hussain because of uprising against legitimate caliphate and on the other hand abula'ala Mududi opposed Omavids as ilegitimate rullers so he had different POV about Hussayn's uprisng. " in Sunni POV part. --Sa.vakilian 11:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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